Oh, it sounds like a good plan. It's just the drakes are the wrong target, he needs to shoot the spellcasters with his ritual unless he want to deal with a whole bunch of angry clerics in a fair fight.
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I don't think we should get involved at the level of fixing his heir problem; that would most definitely be picking a side.
We can't exploit these kind of connections any time soon, so we are best served by not committing and instead keeping as many factions squabbling with each other as we can.
Then, once we're in a better position (specifically having a land border or at least connection to Yi-Ti), we pick one we like and help them win.
In the end we'll have a weak faction that owes us in power there, which we can use to gut their government and replace it with local shills that slowly sell the nation out to us.
Edit: dropped a word.
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TheDanishLord
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What is this, legend of the five rings now
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That is where a lot of the classes I'm using for Yi Ti come from and there will be some other hints and signs in that direction, though nothing too large.
Jack vile Ripper
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Isn't that the book that was made by Minamoto Mushashi?
TheDanishLord
Viking Warlord
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Its a rpg system like d&d
Set in a land theres a mix of japan and china
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Goldfish
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I think we should consider simply supporting Ning in her efforts to return to her brother's court, to warn him of the danger she has foreseen, and in doing so carry our own warnings to him as well. We don't have the time to spend here trying to infiltrate OJ's court, or even to get an audience where we will be taken seriously, and we also need to be careful about not tainting our relationship with the Azure Emperor by revealing our true identity.
If we instead back Ning, we are not only accomplishing much of our own goals through her, assuming she manages to succeed, but we're also cultivating a powerful contact who is well placed to have influence in a part of the world where our own resources are lacking. If worst comes to worst, and she must flee Trader Town for some reason, our efforts to ingratiate ourselves to her may also see Ning come more fully into our orbit.
[X] Focus on what you came here to do, a way to get into court and warn the Orange Emperor
-[X] Find out from Ning what she believes would be necessary for her to be legitimately allowed back into her brother's court without subterfuge, and how long she expects that to take.
-[X] Is there anything we can do to facilitate her return, given our status as an unknown factor with no association with Pol Qo or his court? Our influence in this area is understandably lacking, but our financial and magical resources are vast.
-[X] If doing so isn't feasible in the short term, does she see any other less obvious paths to her brother's ear? Mention the possibility of simply bribing our way into his presence and ask her the likelihood of this not only being successful, but her brother actually heeding our warnings.
If we instead back Ning, we are not only accomplishing much of our own goals through her, assuming she manages to succeed, but we're also cultivating a powerful contact who is well placed to have influence in a part of the world where our own resources are lacking. If worst comes to worst, and she must flee Trader Town for some reason, our efforts to ingratiate ourselves to her may also see Ning come more fully into our orbit.
[X] Focus on what you came here to do, a way to get into court and warn the Orange Emperor
-[X] Find out from Ning what she believes would be necessary for her to be legitimately allowed back into her brother's court without subterfuge, and how long she expects that to take.
-[X] Is there anything we can do to facilitate her return, given our status as an unknown factor with no association with Pol Qo or his court? Our influence in this area is understandably lacking, but our financial and magical resources are vast.
-[X] If doing so isn't feasible in the short term, does she see any other less obvious paths to her brother's ear? Mention the possibility of simply bribing our way into his presence and ask her the likelihood of this not only being successful, but her brother actually heeding our warnings.
TheDanishLord
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Anyway the Kirin Clan is one of the great clans in the setting
But left to travel the world or someting returned as master horsemen and calling themself the unicorn clan now
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But left to travel the world or someting returned as master horsemen and calling themself the unicorn clan now
Unicorn Clan
Once known as the Ki-Rin Clan, the Unicorn Clan departed Rokugan shortly after the first Day of Thunder. The Kami Shinjo, founder of the clan, hoped to avert other threats to Rokugan by discovering them first. They roamed the world for eight centuries before returning to Rokugan. The Unicorn are...
egoo
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@Goldfish, mind adding this?
[] Mention, that as a last resort, there is a way to circumvent all of the traditions and red tape - a spell to bring several minds into a shared mind-space, where the needed communication may happen.
The one we used on Ymeri's Herald, if I'm not wrong..?
Would be my preferable method, tbh, it really is grating to deal with all those societal conventions.
Bah!
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[] Mention, that as a last resort, there is a way to circumvent all of the traditions and red tape - a spell to bring several minds into a shared mind-space, where the needed communication may happen.
The one we used on Ymeri's Herald, if I'm not wrong..?
Would be my preferable method, tbh, it really is grating to deal with all those societal conventions.
Bah!
[X] Goldfish
Goldfish
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That spell cannot be cast unless you are in the presence of your target.
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Yeah, alright then.That spell cannot be cast unless you are in the presence of your target.
Create Mindscape – d20PFSRD
Sneaking in would make this mostly obsolete by the fact we'd have a chance to just talk to him, with no further casting.
It seems the thing doesn't even get us a "timeless"-effect to talk at each-other, anyway.
Societal conventions are how you convince people to do what you want without constant conflict and inefficiency. Sure we could probably apply force of one kind or another to these situations, but then we'll need to do so constantly to keep things on track. That's a game every dime store despot in the history of the world has tried, and it's failed every time.
We'd eventually run out of resources, or simply be poorly positioned to do anything with what we have for a particular problem. If we want to be in charge of anything larger than a group of bandits we need to observe social niceties. Protocols like this are what signal to people they can work with us, and provide the kind of dependability that make them comfortable with trying.
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Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
Right my politician is a bit rusty but from what I've understood the dude in charge is having problems making a male heir.
His sister points out that as far as she can see, which we for the sake of argument will consider the truth, he's not going to get one the natural way until Tiamat get's her shit kicked in.
Whether or not fucking with the guy is a plan by Big Scaly Crazy Great Aunt, punishment from the Kami, or merely the sister mistaking correlation for causation is unclear, but since we hate Tiamat as a baseline we're willing to go with any plan that involves us kicking her shit in.
Personally I'd buy she was doing it, if only to send one of her agents in with a "Cure" that got him an in with the guy.
Or so that whatever pops out to turn into "his" heir is owned by her from the get go.
For all her faults she is a dragon, they tend to have a thing for long term planning.
[X] Goldfish
His sister points out that as far as she can see, which we for the sake of argument will consider the truth, he's not going to get one the natural way until Tiamat get's her shit kicked in.
Whether or not fucking with the guy is a plan by Big Scaly Crazy Great Aunt, punishment from the Kami, or merely the sister mistaking correlation for causation is unclear, but since we hate Tiamat as a baseline we're willing to go with any plan that involves us kicking her shit in.
Personally I'd buy she was doing it, if only to send one of her agents in with a "Cure" that got him an in with the guy.
Or so that whatever pops out to turn into "his" heir is owned by her from the get go.
For all her faults she is a dragon, they tend to have a thing for long term planning.
[X] Goldfish
Jack vile Ripper
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[X] Goldfish
No, what she said is he wouldn't get a child until he beat the other emperors and became The Emperor. And that therefore he should stop trying so damn hard and deal with his other, more important problems (like Tiamat).
Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
Huh, that's actually worse than I thought.
I'd be one thing if it was a Tiamat plot, but if he's not going to be able to pop one out until he's the Big Cheese then that could take years. He could die in the field, be betrayed, the Winter War might kick off letting loose all number of nasty shit, and even if he survived/fought through all that he'd still be taking the throne without a male heir to back him up, which makes him a shaky position to rally behind even if he wins the ongoing kerfuffle.
Honestly if/when we get the chance and it feels politically expedient we might offer him the flesh forge solution like Egoo suggested. It's not pretty of course, but a male heir is a male heir, and when you're securing your position it's better to already have your ducks in a row before you do the really crazy shit.
Not quite she is more than fine dealing with Tiamat first since she is a danger to everyone, what she wants him to stop is wasting the mages' time on trying to get a son.
Sarnor interlude next.
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Could someone summarize the Yin ti situation because I am confused?
There is an Azure emperor who overthrew the Yellow emperor and now an orange emperor rebelling is that it?
There is an Azure emperor who overthrew the Yellow emperor and now an orange emperor rebelling is that it?
The Yellow Dynasty has been out of power since around the Doom of Valyria which makes the claim by the ruler of Carcosa to be the last Yellow Emperor either laughable or deeply concerning.
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If we do that it should be through at least three different fall guys/proxies. Helping him get an heir is tantamount to declaring for his side, and people will be checking into who helped him.
Sure we're mindblanked, but they still might be able to get something from the other parts of the process. If they can trace it back to a highly sensitive government facility in the Imperium they don't need to pierce mindblanked to figure out who's involved.
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Not quite.
There is an Azure Emperor who controls the capital and much of the central lands, he is by heritage and law alone propably the "right" emperor, but we don't quite know how much power he really has and how much is in other members of his court.
The Orange here is a rebel general, controlling much of the west and north of the realm, with little legal grounds to be Emps, but a big and very loyal army.
Yellow is somewhere down in Carcosa, rules over very little territory and doesn't seem to have many followers, but he is likely an ancient mage of considerable power (which evens the scales a lot, as we have shown) or possibly some kind of inhuman monster.
If he is who he claims he comes from a previous dynasty that ruled Yi-Ti back in Valyria's big days, so he has technically the best lineage for legal reasons, but that might not be applied to ancient monsters whose lineage seems to have mostly ended centuries ago.
Jack vile Ripper
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*drinks cola*
It's either the horde of Undeads, that Boy-King rocking something fierce, or Anu blasting his way through.
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While it's actually "you won't get an heir until you are uncontested Emperor in Yi Ti", that actually makes it MORE likely, not less, that Tiamat is the one behind this and in fact is trying to work up a way to approach Pol Qo through one of her agents to convince him she can do exactly this plan above, or else at least try using it to forge an alliance to march on Yin and oust the "lost cause" we made of Azure and seize the artifacts she wanted, as intended.