[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
[X] Their personal bond. They did not know each other as well as Ling Qi might like, but… Sixiang was her friend and her muse, they had shouted at the Bloody Moon for her, and helped her through so much. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on their personal relationship and growing friendship. More effective rhetoric, but downplays Sixiang's problems and may only be a stopgap. Higher chance of Positive Outcome]
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
[X] Their personal bond. They did not know each other as well as Ling Qi might like, but… Sixiang was her friend and her muse, they had shouted at the Bloody Moon for her, and helped her through so much. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on their personal relationship and growing friendship. More effective rhetoric, but downplays Sixiang's problems and may only be a stopgap. Higher chance of Positive Outcome]
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[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
[X] Their personal bond. They did not know each other as well as Ling Qi might like, but… Sixiang was her friend and her muse, they had shouted at the Bloody Moon for her, and helped her through so much. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on their personal relationship and growing friendship. More effective rhetoric, but downplays Sixiang's problems and may only be a stopgap. Higher chance of Positive Outcome]
Uzumaki is one of Ito's best works. If you ever wonder why my thoughts are spirally and incomprehensible it's because I'm still spinning in a small town on the coast of Japan somewhere. May the adultswim project actually do it justice 👏
Dark Star Remina has one of my favorite sequences in any Ito work. It's just so great haha. Ito's works hit people to different degrees and Remina isn't one of the ones that hit me that hard for the most part, and I'd recommend it as a "lighter" Ito work but I also know some people that got hit *real* hard by it so uh. You know. Like all Ito works it's "read at your risk". I think it's hilarious and cutting. Seriously. That one scene, wahaha
Almost all of his works are horror based on the physical and social. He utilizes body horror to make explicit and exaggerate social horror and existential horror and frankly his works are my greatest inspiration. Junji Ito is generally more well regarded in the West than in Japan because he continually grates against established norms by using them for horror purposes. This is most potent in Gyo! which uses the history of Japanese warcrimes and bio-weapon testing on civilians to kickstart a horrible plague. In the story, the youth has no idea what the sins of the ancestors were but they come home to terrorize them anyway. The attempt to bury and hide the past only caused it to come out later, to disastrous effect.
Tomie is a fascinating piece from a social commentary perspective. If you ever want to read analysis of it there are many ways to read it. Ultimately the strongest readings (in my opinion) are that
1. Tomie is not a normal human girl. This might seem like an understatement (it is) but it's important to understand that for the story to make sense critically.
2. Tomie is the idea, an ideal of a girl. Men want to possess her. Women want to be her.
3. Tomie infects women with insecurity of all shapes and sizes and transforms them into herself. No longer their individual selves, simply extensions of Tomie.
4. Men are her primary vector of transmission and reproduction. She is "the one who got away" or "the cool beauty I never had a chance with" or "the one who took my heart and rejected me". She takes hold of their hearts and minds and uses them and they can't help but be enraged by her abuses. Continually they tear her apart physically, and spread her further. She destroys the relationships they love, the women they love, and their hearts and yet they keep coming back addicted to the cycles of shame and abuse and attraction.
5. Tomie wouldn't spread as much as she does if the people were honest about their relationship pains and they could communicate. Just like many other Ito stories, the social contracts of society prevent the men from networking and guarding themselves, and prevent the women from loving themselves and protecting one another. The predation continues and gets worse over time, taking tithe of men and women both.
6. Tomie is an idea and ideal, and as I've said men tear her apart and spread her further. You don't kill an idea this way though, and you don't kill Tomie this way either. Instead, all the violence does is spread her further and further. When women feel like they must be Tomie to be loved, they pursue that ideal and become her instead of themselves. When men only pursue Tomie, they are abused and brutalized emotionally again and again. And yet, so long as women wish to be loved and men wish to be loved and they both feel that it's totally conditional on physical attraction and "cool beauty" attitudes there will always be more and more Tomie.
Seriously. What makes Ito's work so impressive is that like the Classics he never forgets the shallow appeal and confuse deep for shallow or vice versa. Shakespeare's great works are great because it's skilled at both the shallow and the deep levels. Avatar: the Last Airbender is the same way, even if the ending is a little flubbed imo (and Korra is proof to me of it being accidental or at least that they didn't understand why what they did was great). Ito is viscerally, body level disgusting and unsettling but the absolute mindbreakingly devastating of his pieces for me personally are the domestic horror pieces that I can't even read because they're too real. Every story of his hits individuals differently based on how "real" it is for them. If you want to look through his collections many of them will be campy or silly or goofy and that's okay. We all have different fears.
Ito is a successor of Lovecraft who improves and innovates on Lovecraft's works, and is one of those on the cutting edge of Horror Creators. 10/10
Both options had the possibility of going really well, and both had the possibility of being a disaster. I don't expect any salt unless it goes terribly wrong.
Both options had the possibility of going really well, and both had the possibility of being a disaster. I don't expect any salt unless it goes terribly wrong.
Ling Qi took a seat on a pale grey shore, on which lapped waves of rippling dream. She breathed in the scent of the colour sea, and it was no one thing. It was the scent of early morning mist in spring, the acrid scent of a painters tools, ink and incense, fresh churned forest loam, trod on by a hundred dancing feet. Beside her sat a tall, thin figure forlorn in expression, their waving rainbow hued hair lying flat and lank against their scalp.
"Sixiang," Ling Qi greeted quietly, smoothing her gown. It was strange, her focus was here, but she could still feel her body, feel the energies churning in her meridians as she took in the shifting tides of the moon and made them hers.
"Ling Qi," her muse greeted, not looking over at her. The spirit's voice was hoarse, and their knees were drawn up to their chest. "Didn't take you as long as I'd thought."
Ling Qi laughed. "I'm pretty tough you know. It takes a lot to keep me down."
"I know," Sixiang said. They fell silent then.
Ling Qi let the silence stretch, she did not really know what to say. Words danced through her mind, she wanted to plead, to cajole, to deny. She did not want Sixiang to go, she thought to appeal to their connection, to the sadness she and her other spirits would feel, but the words died on her lips. That wasn't really fair, it did not address Sixiang's trouble at all. Yet, she couldn't not say it. "We would miss you a lot," she said quietly. "I… promised them you know. I'll work hard with you too."
"You'll work yourself to death twice over before you take a break," Sixiang answered with a chuckle. "What if I don't want that?"
"I…" Ling Qi grimaced, the ache in her dantian sharpening, sending a spike of pain up her spine. "I can't stop Sixiang. I won't stop, the world is still so big, and I'm still so very small," she said, quiet determination in her voice.
"It will never stop you know. The bigger you get, the more of the world you'll see. It will never get any smaller," Sixiang replied.
"Even so," Ling Qi said, unwavering. "I would like if you stayed by my side. Even if things are hard now, can you really say there is nothing more you want to see of the waking world?"
Target Number 50
2 degree success
Sixiang smiled wanly. "You know, it's funny. Before I spent all of this time with you, none of this would have bothered me. What is the end of a few dreams? A song of war is as good as a song of peace, if the singer is skilled."
"Sixiang…" Ling Qi said, trailing off, she wasn't sure how to respond.
Sixiang blew an errant strand of lank hair out of her eyes, and finally turned her head to look at Ling Qi. "Will you take a stroll with me, Ling Qi? I think I've spent too much time awake. You don't sleep near enough."
Ling Qi looked down at the muses extended hand, she glanced out to the rippling sea as it drew back from the shore, and took their hand in her own. She felt herself, still cultivating among the Silent Stones. "Of course. I'll find the time, if I need too."
Sixiang smiled as they grasped her hand, a flicker of humor entering their eyes again. "I'm glad."
And then the wave crashed down upon the shore, and they were both no more.
***
Ling Qi felt her limbs spin back into existence, and found herself on a flat and polished wooden floor. All around her dancers spun and whirled in the flickering shadow of bobbing ghost lights. Merriment and cheer filled the air. She herself now wore a gown of old and strange cut, a billowing cloud of lace and silk almost fit to drown in.
She still grasped Sixiang's hand, who now stood across from her, wearing antiquated gentleman's robes. They, no, his face had taken on a more masculine cast, and other arm was around her waist. They had joined the dance midstep, and only her quick reflexes allowed her to avoid trampling on the spirits toes. Some part of her wanted to shove them away, but it was just Sixiang. Masculine shape or no, it was all the same.
"Good recovery," Sixiang chuckled as they spun through the steps.
Ling Qi's gaze flicked across the room and down at their feet, swiftly analyzing the steps. "I know I don't don't do it in public, but you of all people should know how much I've practiced." Dancing was not so different than any other kind of athletics, not really. Even the simple stretching exercises of her Mother's cultivation art had a certain dance-like quality. It was all a matter of practiced, memorized motion.
Above, or perhaps below them, Ling Qi saw the dance floor mirrored, and a second Ling Qi danced with a second Sixiang. Which was the reflection, she wondered? For a moment, she felt as if she was looking through two sets of eyes, both staring at one another from the other side of the mirror.
"I suppose so," Sixiang mused as their dance carried them around other pairs. The other dancers were not human, not most of them. What could be taken for mask sat a glance resolved into bestial features when looked at directly, and the dancers features changed from one moment to the next. "You wouldn't know just by looking though," Sixiang said with a smile, as if laughing at some private joke.
"You haven't answered my question you know," Ling Qi said quietly as they danced. "Is there really nothing else for you?"
Sixiang's expression grew more somber, and despite herself Ling Qi was aware of the handsome lines of the currently male muses face, not so far from her own. "That's the wrong question I think," he said quietly, and they separated for the next steps.
Another set of hands clasped Ling Qi's as she spun away, and the other dancers features blurred, and became Sixiang's. "There are so many things I want to see… but I have to wonder if staying where I am is the best way to see them. I've changed you know."
"You have, but I don't think it's so bad, you used to be pretty feckless," Ling Qi teased gently, not missing a beat at the 'new' partner.
"Mm, I'm not so sure," Sixiang mused, moving in time to the phantom music that rang over tha dancers. It seemed to come from everywhere and nowhere all at once, sending the curved and mirrored walls around the dance floor rippling. "I don't regret coming to care about you, but… my fear has made me less I think. It seems so much clearer here, immersed in dream."
"There is nothing wrong with wanting to live," Ling Qi replied, meeting his eyes. "Spirit or no. I understand though, it's not easy seeing so much…" she trailed off, thinking of bodies lying still in the fields, and faces covered in creeping frost. She shivered, despite the warmth of the room.
"It's because of my own fear that I feel theirs so acutely you know," Sixiang said with a sad smile. "I'm a muse, you know. I can feel what people are feeling, even when they try to throw up a mask, in combat, when they aren't even trying…"
Ling Qi was silent, lowering her eyes.
"Your world is so rigid and limited you know," Sixiang said softly. "No one knows what happens when you humans leave it, except for those who won't answer. How can you not be afraid, when you don't know if this is your last dream? So many little sparks, all clashing, none of them want to die, but they're driven to bring death to others anyway, riding on the currents of causality, old actions sending ripples downstream again and again…"
Sixiang's voice started to drift off, and Ling Qi gave his hand a sharp squeeze, drawing him back from whatever dreamlike tangent he was going off on. "I don't know about any of that," Ling Qi said. "But… even if you can understand your enemies. They're still your enemies. People want things, and sometimes what they want just can't be reconciled with what you want."
"Like I said, rigid and limited," Sixiang chuckled sadly. "But I get it, I wonder if that's the argument that you want to make right now."
Ling Qi flushed slightly and glanced away. "We aren't enemies Sixiang, we're friends. I want you to be happy, and I want you to stay, but if one precludes the other…"
Sixiang grinned in amusement and Ling Qi huffed at the obvious teasing as their dance carried them to the edge of the floor and through the curved and gleaming wall. The glasslike exterior rippled as they stepped through, then shattered, reducing their previous venue to a thousand falling sparks of color and light.
Now, they walked on a snowy path that wound through a dense forest. They were clad in mourners white, their gowns unembellished, just two in a stream of humanity that wound out of sight both ahead and behind. A soft mourning song rang through the air, punctuated by sobs from amidst the line. On the murners shoulders were countless biers, smelling of incense and oils that only just masked the scent of death.
"It might be hard for you to understand, as a human," Sixiang mused beside her. The handles of their bier rested heavily on Ling Qi's shoulders. The muse had shifted to a female aspect now, slighter and softer than the face they had worn a moment ago. "It's not like I'm unfamiliar with the bad stuff you know? Nightmares are dreams too, and more than one artist has poured their fear and anxiety onto the page or canvas."
"Then why? I want to understand," Ling Qi asked, her voice muffled and quiet. The very air of this place seemed to disallow loudness.
"It's like…" Sixiang paused, searching for her words. "Like before I could think this is fear-of-death, and this is pain-of-loss, but it was like describing what the color something was, there wasn't really any understanding to it."
Ling Qi was silent, her qi thrumming in her meridians. It really struck her then, the inhumanity of her companion. As a human, she could reconcile the things Sixiang had spoken of, but… she couldn't not really. Sixiang was a muse, a creature of thought and feeling, a conflict like this could discomfit or depress her, but to Sixiang, it was really more like a wasting illness.
1106/500 First Song Learned
606/600 Second Song Learned
6/700 Capped until Green 4
"But you've spent enough time to have that context now. They aren't just colors on the pallet anymore," Ling Qi said. The mourning song rang out so much more clearly now. The singers poured out the laments of the dead and the hopes of the living, and though the language they sang in was foreign, she understood.
"Heh, looks like you were paying attention to the art stuff after all," Sixiang chuckled. "But, yes Ling Qi, I understand people, I can feel what they feel. Do you understand?"
Ling Qi had difficulty imagining it, she had trouble enough with her own emotions, the thought of having the feelings of others flooding her head at all times was… unpleasant. She knew intuitively that Sixiang was not just speaking of their allies, and it fed certain threads of unease that had wound through her thoughts since the day when she had killed the Bai traitor and the bandits. She lowered her eyes as the dirge rose higher. "I stand by what I said earlier. You should save your understanding for the people you care about. You have to choose what to value more and less."
"I think I get it, I really do. It's just not so easy to get the spirit back into the bottle," Sixiang chuckled. "I'm afraid Ling Qi. I don't know how to handle that."
Ling Qi walked in silence next to the muse, her sandaled feet churning the cold muddy road. Outside of the dream, she felt herself considering what exercise to begin next.
[] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)
[] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)
+50 dice to Spiritual Cultivation until Green 4
+50 dice to Physical Cultivation until Green 4
+45 dice to the cultivation of Yin Arts
+35 dice to the cultivation of Moon Arts
1/10 of XP gained through permanent cultivation bonuses added to Domain XP
Grants the user 1 virtual Green Stone per week(4 per turn)
Allows the User to Bind Spirits up to Grade Three
Reduces Upkeep of Spirits by 2 per spirit
8 Qi cultivation dice per turn up to S Rank
-Increases growth rate of bound spirits(effects increasing with Bond Level)
+55 dice to Spiritual Cultivation until Green 5
+55 dice to Physical Cultivation until Green 5
+50 dice to the cultivation of Yin Arts
+45 dice to the cultivation of Moon Arts
1/8 of XP gained through permanent cultivation bonuses added to Domain XP
Grants the user 2 virtual Green Stone per week(8 per turn)
Allows the User to Bind Spirits up to Grade Three
Reduces Upkeep of Spirits by 3 per spirit
8 Qi cultivation dice per turn up to S Rank
-Increases growth rate of bound spirits(effects increasing with Bond Level)
I personally want to go with the muse route. Setting aside the mechanics for a moment, muses are there to help with creativity, and creativity requires that choices be made. A painting can't have all the colors and all the shapes, you need to choose which colors and which shapes to use. Kind of like the argument Ling Qi is presenting, Sixiang needs to be able to choose to exclude some and accept others.
Ling Qi flushed slightly and glanced away. "We aren't enemies Sixiang, we're friends. I want you to be happy, and I want you to stay, but if one precludes the other…"
[] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers (Lean in to the problem of empathy and how to solve it. Improves Sixiang's Wind affinity. Lower Chance of Positive result)
[] Playful Muse Rapport (Try to help Sixiang reclaim their nature as a muse. Increases Sixiang's Moon affinity. Higher chance of positive result)