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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
We'll really need to interrogate him on his short-term, medium-term and long-term plans, as he might have some crazy-ass Rube Goldberg tier shit in the works.

Edit: In fact... editing in going through all his short-term plans in the works which can't be delayed.
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I feel like just turning him into a book would be a heck of a lot more thorough here. One move and we have knowledge of every single action he's done, every plan in the works, every supernatural he's in contact with, etc.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Rickard is a level 14 warg/caster who has lived a long ass time. He probably has long term plans to utterly destroy the Blackwoods. I don't know whether he is incompetent for not being able to wipe out a family in this time or if the Blackwoods are just that resilient.
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His spellcasting stat is probably Wisdom, but he is only likely to heal his Wisdom damage while possessing a Human host, and for a short time, before the damage once more asserts itself.

If that is the case, even with the return of magic he is probably severely handicapped in that regard, assuming he is any kind of mage at all.
 
Duesal said:
I feel like just turning him into a book would be a heck of a lot more thorough here. One move and we have knowledge of every single action he's done, every plan in the works, every supernatural he's in contact with, etc.
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We'll get to that. He's kind of an important prop right now.
 
@Crake @Duesal

We have the magic to Soul Transfer making it quite trivial to put it into a gem and use Speak with Soul.

As shown below he can be interrogated like any living witness and it can't hurt our cause for them to have the familiarity of a humanoid form coupled with the magical strangeness of its immaterial nature.

It also saves us from having to deal with all the tertiary concerns of "no this isn't his real body, yes we made it, no that's not a concern because..."

To cast this spell, you must be at the soul's place of death or be in the soul's presence, whether it is contained in a receptacle, powers an intelligent magic item, or other possibilities. The soul can attempt a Will save to resist the spell as if it were alive.
A soul contacted this way can speak normally in any language it knows. Unlike speak with dead and similar spells, you are not limited to asking questions and can engage in normal conversation with the soul (and vice versa). The soul isn't an undead creature and isn't compelled to speak or be truthful.
Generally, the soul only knows what it knew in life, although souls that persisted with awareness of their surroundings after death may have more to offer.

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Though if he chooses to be difficult we might have to use the Ethereal(?) metamgaic to get truth spells on him. @Goldfish that approach would work correct?
 
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Crake said:
I will include any spell provisions for extracting answers that @Goldfish suggests.
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[X] Crake

The above plan works for sure all the way up until we need to compel truthful answers (or any answers at all if he just wants to be an obstinate prick), I am like 80% sure Ectoplasmic Spell metamagic will be all that's needed to make use of our standard approach but that might be an @DragonParadox call too, there is some differences between a soul and an ethereal creature.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Rickard is a level 14 warg/caster who has lived a long ass time. He probably has long term plans to utterly destroy the Blackwoods. I don't know whether he is incompetent for not being able to wipe out a family in this time or if the Blackwoods are just that resilient.
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Or maybe he didn't want to wipe them out, after all the dead can't suffer(actually yes they can, but Richard don't seem to have access to the outer planes, so he wouldn't know about how much being a soul sucks now-a-Eon) it might be that he aimed to forever make problems for the Blackwoods, so he could forever enjoy the feeling, of being the cause of a Blackwoods death or suffering.
Duesal said:
She can probably ask Saenena, Qyburn, Alyneah, and Vee to quickly whip up a soulless body from the Forges for the warg to be trapped in.

I love building a truly high magic empire where shit like this can be done on a whim.
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This is literally the ideal situation to just use Polymorph, nothing could be simpler than just Polymorphing him back to a human form.
 
Deliste said:
@Crake @Duesal

We have the magic to Soul Transfer making it quite trivial to put it into a gem and use Speak with Soul.

As shown below he can be interrogated like any living witness and it can't hurt our cause for them to have the familiarity of a humanoid form coupled with the magical strangeness of its immaterial nature.

It also saves us from having to deal with all the tertiary concerns of "no this isn't his real body, yes we made it, no that's not a concern because..."

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Though if he chooses to be difficult we might have to use the Ethereal(?) metamgaic to get truth spells on him. @Goldfish that approach would work correct?
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Deliste said:
[X] Crake

The above plan works for sure all the way up until we need to compel truthful answers (or any answers at all if he just wants to be an obstinate prick), I am like 80% sure Ectoplasmic Spell metamagic will be all that's needed to make use of our standard approach but that might be an @DragonParadox call too, there is some differences between a soul and an ethereal creature.
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I don't think that line of spells will work on Rickard. DP told us he's an entity of the Dreamlands now, rather than any type of Incorporeal Undead, spirit, psychic energy, etc., and that he's not really present on our Plane at all when he's not possessing a living creature. If that's the case, the best thing we can do is keep him in a living body, which neatly serves to provide us with a target for our spells.
 
Goldfish said:
I don't think that line of spells will work on Rickard. DP told us he's an entity of the Dreamlands now, rather than any type of Incorporeal Undead, spirit, psychic energy, etc., and that he's not really present on our Plane at all when he's not possessing a living creature. If that's the case, the best thing we can do is keep him in a living body, which neatly serves to provide us with a target for our spells.
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Why do we have to make it so complicated, just use Polymorph, that's literally what the spell is meant for, to change a creature into a more convenient form, you can't even say it's cheesy, there's nothing cheesy about polymorphing a cat into a human.
 
tarrangar said:
Why do we have to make it so complicated, just use Polymorph, that's literally what the spell is meant for, to change a creature into a more convenient form, you can't even say it's cheesy, there's nothing cheesy about polymorphing a cat into a human.
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Polymorph requires a willing target. Rickard might be willing to be subjected to the spell, but probably not.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Does Anu already have a charsheet?
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Nope.

From what DP has told us, though, as of the time when he was added to the crafting sheet, Anu is a 13th level Transmuter with the Craft Wondrous Item, Craft Wand, Craft Construct, Craft Magic Arms & Armor, Scribe Scroll, and Extraordinary Artisan feats.

Here's his base stat array at 1st level: 15, 10 ,11 ,14, 10, 16.

And here's the gear we have crafted him;

Belt of Repair (As Healing Belt, but repairs damaged Constructs and objects instead) w/+1 Constitution
Bracers of Arcane Freedom
Wand of Repair Critical Damage (x2)
Gloves of the Starry Sky effect w/Dispelling Cords effect
Anklets of Translocation w/Boots of the Wide Earth effect
Greater Amulet of Resistance (+3) w/Amulet of Tears and Periapt of the Sullen Sea effect
Ring of Protection from Evil
Handy Haversack
Ribbon of Disguise
Greater Ribbon of Disguise
Earring of Arcane Acuity w/Goggles of the Golden Sun effect
Circlet of Clarity (+4 Intelligencex +1 Wisdom) w/Circle of Rapid Casting effect

If you want to make a character sheet for him, I'll put together a better gear list for you.
 
I went ahead and put a proper gear list together for Anu if you happen to decide to make him a character sheet, @Artemis1992. In case you don't, I'm also adding the other information we have for him so I can bookmark this page and come back to it if I decide to make one for him later.

From what DP has told us, though, as of the time when he was added to the crafting sheet, Anu is a 13th level Transmuter with the Craft Wondrous Item, Craft Wand, Craft Construct, Craft Magic Arms & Armor, Scribe Scroll, and Extraordinary Artisan feats.

Here's his base stat array at 1st level: 15, 10 ,11 ,14, 10, 16.
Belt of Repair: +1 Constitution
  • Repair Constructs or Objects (3 Charges/Day): 1 Charge (Repair 2d8 points of damage), 2 Charges (Repair 3d8 points of damage), or 3 Charges(Repair 4d8 points of damage)
Bracers of Arcane Freedom:
  • 2/Day apply the Still Spell Metamagic feat to a spell as a Swift Action.
Circlet of Clarity: +4 Intelligence, +1 Wisdom
  • 3 Charges/Day: 1 Charge (Cast a single spell of 2nd level or less as a Swift Action), 2 Charges (3rd level spell), 3 Charges (4th level spell)
Gloves of the Starry Sky:
  1. Glow as if affected with a Light spell at will.
  2. Convert any spell of 1st level and above to Magic Missile.
  3. 5/Day as a Swift Action, add +2 Competence bonus on any Dispel Magic checks made before the end of the turn.
Greater Amulet of Tears: +3 Resistance bonus all saving throws.
  1. Convert any spell of 4th level and above to Freedom of Movement.
  2. Hold breath for up to 12 hours before having to make a Constitution check.
  3. 3 Charges/Day: 1 Charge (12 Temporary Hit Points), 2 Charges (18 Temporary Hit Points), 3 Charges (24 Temporary Hit Points), Duration: 10 minutes
Greater Ribbon of Disguise: Alter Self, Magic Aura, Undetectable Alignment (At Will)

Handy Haversack: This backpack is of high quality but appears otherwise normal.
  1. It has two side pouches, each of which appears large enough to hold about a quart of material. In fact, each is like a Bag of Holding and can actually hold material of as much as 2 cubic feet in volume or 20 pounds in weight. The large central portion of the pack can contain up to 8 cubic feet or 80 pounds of material. Even when so filled, the backpack always weighs only 5 pounds.
  2. While such storage is useful enough, the pack has an even greater power. When the wearer reaches into it for a specific item, that item is always on top. Thus, no digging around and fumbling is ever necessary to find what a haversack contains. Retrieving any specific item from a haversack is a Move Action, but it does not provoke the Attacks of Opportunity that retrieving a stored item usually does.
Radiant Earring of Arcane Acuity:
  1. Immunity to blindness and dazzling effect
  2. Convert any spell of 3rd level and above to Fireball.
  3. 3 Charges/Day: 1 Charge(Darkvision 60 ft., 1 hour), 2 Charges (See Invisibility, 10 minutes), 3 Charges (True Seeing, 1 minute)
Raiment of the Four: Uniting the magic of four enchanted items (Translocating Boots of the Wide Earth, Gloves of the Starry Sky, Radiant Earring of Arcane Acuity, Greater Amulet of Tears) grants the following benefits:
  1. 2 Pieces: Gain resistance to cold 5; this stacks with any similar resistances you have from your race, class, or template.
  2. 3 Pieces: Gain resistance to cold 5 and electricity 5, which stacks as described above.
  3. 4 Pieces: Gain resistance to cold 5, electricity 5, and fire 5, which stacks as described above. Convert any spell of 5th level and above to Commune.
Ribbon of Disguise: Use the Disguise Self spell at will.

Translocating Boots of the Wide Earth:
  1. Double carrying capacity.
  2. Convert any Spell of 5th level and above to Teleport
  3. 2/Day Instantly teleport up to 10 feet to an unoccupied destination within line of sight and line of effect. The wearer can teleport with objects, up to their maximum load, but cannot bring other creatures.
Equipment: Belt of Repair (+1 CON), Bracers of Arcane Freedom, Circlet of Clarity (+4 INT, +1 WIS), Gloves of the Starry Sky, Greater Amulet of Tears (+3 Resistance), Greater Ribbon of Disguise, Handy Haversack, Radiant Earring of Arcane Acuity, Ribbon of Disguise, Ring of Protection from Evil, Translocating Boots of the Wide Earth, Wand of Repair Critical Damage: x2 (50 charges each)
 
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tarrangar said:
Then just use charm or domination first, there's no rule against using coercion in the Polymorph rules.
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At that point it's no more difficult to interrogate a Charmed or Dominated cat than it is to take it one step further and Polymorph him into a more humanoid form. Imbued Speak with Animals (or just ask to borrow Vee's Whistle) or a compelled Polymorph spell, either way could work so I don't really care how it's accomplished beyond the impact the method of interrogation might have on Lords Bracken and Blackwood.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 5, 2019 at 6:14 AM, finished with 60 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Clarification and background information for @DragonParadox's viewing pleasure; AKA "What we exactly are offering both House Bracken and House Blackwood, framed less indelicately or over time given the diplomatic fragility of the situation."
    -[X] To House Bracken, the following:
    --[X] Advance notice of, as part of formalization of de jure land claims, the Crown's intentions to uphold decided upon claims sorted through upon official establishment of those fiefdoms incumbent to the Lords in question, and under Imperial Mandate should any counter-claimant seek to usurp the rightful heir as declared by these terms, in Royal writ they shall have committed high crimes in accordance to the degree of such egregious breaches. (TL: Don't fuck with our vassals, it's our responsibility to ensure intended upon succession according to their will, interference will merely anger us and force us to fall upon you like a sack of shit-bricks.)
    ---[X] This means we fully intend on upholding Lady Barbara's succession, and we refuse to let her suffer as history relates to the wary, like Jeyne Arryn or Rhaenyra Targaryen had.
    --[X] *A city charter, part of our formulation of shipping infrastructure throughout the Riverlands to massively ease trade and direct industry in a productive manner.
    ---[X] *As there will be much arguing between Riverlander Lords otherwise, arbitration, security and organization of all river trade will fall to the Crown and likely a special economic council formed of both regional and non-regional authorities, each committed to ensuring ease of travel and trade and regulated tariffs. None of the same chicanery that Walder Frey is infamous for, to choke trade and cause more enmity. We will relate this information to those Lords we discuss the matter with in advance and at our planned Summit post-Reconquest. Note: This is the best compromise for the matter available, too many Lords will be building cities on either riverbank and the Crown will have to organize and maintain water infrastructure to limit pollution from human waste and industry. Also, of primary concern, while no one would think lightly to block a Legion from traveling across bridges they helped organize and engineer the construction of, that is not to say petty rivalries would not get in the way of what you deem your due given how much resources you intend to commit to the massive project.
    --[X] A royal education/fosterage at Lord Jonos' discretion. Having two daughters younger than Lady Catelyn could prove a boon here. An attendant for Rhaella, a friend for Rhaenys, though one of the two mostly too busy to get the most use out of them, they will hardly suffer neglect with how many opportunities are presented in a life at Court.
    -[X] Spacing.
    -[X] To House Blackwood, the following:
    --[X] Repeat of #1 from the previous, though this relating to formalizing their own House's claims on their side of the Red Fork.
    --[X] **Repeat of #2 from the previous alongside contingent terms for trade and travel across the rivers.
    ---[X] **We will offer to sanctify the Raven Tree with either a strong ward capable of shrugging off most mind control, alongside two other constant enchantments for all living within an area the size of a small city around Raventree Hall, or optionally a single ward capable of warding off most mind control across a potentially massive area (nine times the scope of a small city).
    --[X] ***Close instruction, personal counsel and royal oversight of Hoster Blackwood's magical and governmental education. Furthermore our ability to perhaps deepen his bond between himself and the Old Gods, the ability to perform Druidic magic.
    ----[X] ***It goes without saying but we are aware of how problematic for a dynastic alliance it is, even with the Crown going to great lengths to normalize relations with trade and security, if one of the two partners in it is easily bent to the other's will.
    -----[X] We are wary of placing a noble in a position of power if they have no intentions on exercising that influence responsibly and being worthy of their position, as our casting down of many not only corrupt but vile men and women from the ruling class directly attests.
    ------[X] If Hoster wants to marry his lady love, he will have to not only prove worthy of her but prove worthy of our trust in such a delicate matter, something which will hopefully go a long way to ensuring this potential Cadet House advances the cause of both their lines equally.
    -------[X] One with the will to master magic, we remind Lord Tytos, is not without the strength of character to change their mind, nor strive to improve themselves, should the situation call for it.
    -[X] To both Houses, the following:
    --[X] A Valyrian Steel weapon and armor set.
    --[X] Potential wedding hosted in the Capital, with all the pomp, prestige and ceremony that entails.
    ---[X] Pending agreement, likely a double-set of oaths presented within a Sept and before a Heart Tree, which is really just twice the celebration, and a commitment to the implicit message inherent in the lands we've chosen for them to rule over once we are certain they are ready for such (so a betrothal period).
    --[X] All of the obvious benefits of our rule in exchange for leal service and oaths of fealty. Protection from harm from all such sources, from the subtle and insidious to more overt and outward threats, of which there are numerous, and numerous reasons why the Usurper has proven inadequate.
    --[X] This includes but is not limited to highly efficient and organized governmental bureaus, extensive and high-quality infrastructure, access to trade routes never before seen , numerous skilled experts which can be called upon to improve local industry, sort through gaps in security and change how communications are conducted (from delivery of messages on well-trained couriers to secure point-to-point magical correspondence.
    ---[X] And a ruler who isn't a monster or a fool. Hint hint. There are many monsters and many fools who also happen to be rulers, and none of them have any good intentions toward either of their Houses.
    --[X] Tentatively, pending deliberations, a Cadet Branch of both Houses with rulership over the County of the Andal Coast, along with a seat worthy of a Great House.
    -[X]***IMPORTANT***
    -[X] Make sure to go through Rickard's mind to learn all of the short-term plots he had going on, saving the more intensive interrogation for later, to ensure we aren't letting the wheels spin on some paranoid contingency. Gods only know he would have had a long time to consider how to ruin his enemies even in the event of his death.
    [X] If the Rickard Fits, Viserys Does Not Acquit
    -[X] Assuming Lya has Rickard Stark made presentable as evidence of his misdeeds, alongside the Master of the Hunt in Stone Henge and the broken sword, it is best to start with Lord Jonos Bracken, whom it will be easiest to prove both the ultimate utility of our actions, as well as our good intentions.
    --[X] The information and accounts Rickard can provide along with our own information gathered is too intimate and knowledgeable to be easily dismissed, the picture it paints too horrific to fall back into the easy or comfortable, casting even these age old hatreds into a light of farce. How many horrific acts supposedly perpetrated by either House was actually the hand of this monster in man or beast's skin?
    --[X] Too many to count, just the short rattling off of the ones throughout the Post-Conquest period is enough to beggar imagination.
    -[X] At the end of the day Lady Catelyn does not seem interested in becoming more influential than she already will be, so there isn't too much else to note about how you would present the deal, if he can be made amenable in essence about what we desire.
    -[X] We admit that this all hinges on the response and behavior of Lord Tytos Blackwood who has already given insult to his daughter, but we point out reasonably that Lord Hoster was little interested in women before meeting Lady Catelyn, and though he is young and it is quite believable he simply hadn't met any woman with the right combination of intelligence (not empty flattery) and beauty to catch his eye at first blush, given the ongoing enmity between both Houses neither would view such an overture as coming from a place with well-intentions.
    -[X] Furthermore, it is likely that the anger placed toward the Lady is merely a stand-in for Lord Jonos himself, who has by this point made no secret or small bones about those claims he wished to press, or should he fail to in his lifetime, force his daughter Lady Barbara to press in turn.
    -[X] "The blame for all of this cannot, I admit, be cast merely at this old and bitter Warg's feet, but to divvy it up between the both of you implies that either should have known better and suspected such manipulations which had gone unseen for ages. It is as much luck and chance as anything else that even the most ham-fisted of such schemes he plotted did not ultimately result in the destruction of both your lines. It is inconceivable for justice to be rendered for crimes committed by those who suffered just as much at his hand, puppets in a macabre play, as each other who danced to the tune he played sight unseen."
    -[X] "My Lord, it is my sincerest hope that each of our Houses can step into this age more prosperous than in any other, not defined by the blood we've shed but instead, aye, by the trees we've planted and the stones we've lain. What is even the point of all of this if the world around us only remembers us for how quickly we've sewn our own destruction? To best please this beast?"
    -[X] "We are better than that. I know we are, or at least can be, whatever beings such as him think of us, feeble and easy prey to their lies and endless hunger."
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Goldfish said:
I don't think that line of spells will work on Rickard. DP told us he's an entity of the Dreamlands now, rather than any type of Incorporeal Undead, spirit, psychic energy, etc., and that he's not really present on our Plane at all when he's not possessing a living creature. If that's the case, the best thing we can do is keep him in a living body, which neatly serves to provide us with a target for our spells.
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Ectoplasmic Spell may not but the spell lines certainly do, he meets the requirements because they are very broad.
 
Goldfish said:
At that point it's no more difficult to interrogate a Charmed or Dominated cat than it is to take it one step further and Polymorph him into a more humanoid form. Imbued Speak with Animals (or just ask to borrow Vee's Whistle) or a compelled Polymorph spell, either way could work so I don't really care how it's accomplished beyond the impact the method of interrogation might have on Lords Bracken and Blackwood.
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Yeah but interrogating a human will probably convince them more than interrogating a cat, so turning him human seems a good idea.
 
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