And contrary to what Artemis might suggest as optimal, brazen displays and vulgar shows of power make less subtle manipulations harder to achieve later on, not unless you're acting entirely through intermediaries while acting as a distraction. This limits us too much. We can leverage our resources and assets better out in the open.
It kinda worked so far.
See the long and subtle plan in Lys, that only worked with the threat of a dragon before it, and the power of our legions afterwards.

It seems to me like directly tearing down and rebuilding their political system is easier than allowing for either a foreign Emperor or for their Emps to be vassal to a greater one anyway.
 
It kinda worked so far.
See the long and subtle plan in Lys, that only worked with the threat of a dragon before it, and the power of our legions afterwards.

It seems to me like directly tearing down and rebuilding their political system is easier than allowing for either a foreign Emperor or for their Emps to be vassal to a greater one anyway.
Maybe later on but we can make considerable gains during a period of time where we have no such intention on committing so aggressively in the Far East, leveraging far less resources.
 
Very interesting look into both Ting's thoughts and the nature of his teaching @Crake. It makes a nice contrast to how these story elements are usually used, the wise old master acting only by his own conscience to pick out a student to lead along the path to enlightenment. Ting on the other hand has a duty to the secular authority of his land, one he takes seriously and worries about. He is himself at least tempted to cut corners though he ultimately decides against it. The fact that he chooses to stay true to his path and his students in spite of those doubts not out of some unshakable serenity reaffirms once more the humanity and vulnerability that makes the character interesting.

I like Dai Ken too, he is obviously part of the problem, but in an understandable sympathetic way, who does not want to learn martial arts for the power and prestige of it, particularly in a place like Sorcerer's Deep that is practically built on the concept of meteoric ascent and grand opportunities?
 
Very interesting look into both Ting's thoughts and the nature of his teaching @Crake. It makes a nice contrast to how these story elements are usually used, the wise old master acting only by his own conscience to pick out a student to lead along the path to enlightenment. Ting on the other hand has a duty to the secular authority of his land, one he takes seriously and worries about. He is himself at least tempted to cut corners though he ultimately decides against it. The fact that he chooses to stay true to his path and his students in spite of those doubts not out of some unshakable serenity reaffirms once more the humanity and vulnerability that makes the character interesting.

I like Dai Ken too, he is obviously part of the problem, but in an understandable sympathetic way, who does not want to learn martial arts for the power and prestige of it, particularly in a place like Sorcerer's Deep that is practically built on the concept of meteoric ascent and grand opportunities?
From Dai Ken's point of view, not many people have the ability to even begin learning what Ting can do. It is simply wasteful not to achieve the greatest heights you are capable of and upon reaching them seeking to break through even those limitations, like a dragon souring into the heavens. Viserys is proof enough that this interpretation of seeking perfection of self can be quite literal, and against that what reason do you have to feel restraint? "You might soar too close to the sun and burn?"

Some might argue ignominy is a worse fate by far, especially when the argument of "not every man is a hidden dragon" is much less cogent an argument when you live in a city ruled by one.

You can guess who would argue that loudest. :V

As to Ting's methods, it's worth noting Ken is the most extreme example of that. The rest are younger, more bushy tailed and for the most part just happy to be there, learning from someone so famous. East or West the reaction would ironically be much the same, only most would either think "famous Bravo" or "famous Knight" first in SD, now "famous Monk" has a place.
 
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Also what you guys been doing? This fucking thread is so huge that you could write essays on its community. Just the community. We are not even into the Omake series you got, or the main story.
... lots?
Mainly consolidating our base in Westeros. And preparing the strike versus GC / Tiamat. Helped best Coatl to reascend to god. Established a shop in the City of Brass.
 
... lots?
Mainly consolidating our base in Westeros. And preparing the strike versus GC / Tiamat. Helped best Coatl to reascend to god. Established a shop in the City of Brass.

...then there's the plan of a wedding ceremony with Lya on the moon...

...making our Imperial God...

...stirring the pot with some Calamari (Ilithid)...

...rezzing several long dead gods...

...stopping the horde of undead in Sallosh and the Land Beyond the Wall...

Y'know? Normal people stuff.
 
Seeking Balance Betwixt Duty and Conscience

Twenty Fourth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC
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Gold Dragon Hill, Chun Wu Kwan, Sorcerer's Deep

Dai Ken stared hard at the wooden post set out before them, fighting back a scowl, the pendulum swing that had been put up by enterprising tinker fey, and the other obstacles further away, of wind and chime and puzzles of a subtler sort, that might bid one to ruminate on the scores and scars upon a wall or patterns hidden within tile, each held back. These trials denied all but one alone, who even now, tireless, ground away each lesson ceaselessly, and one could not even claim harmonious balance was denied to any of they for lack of fortitude in anything but the mind, for none would tire enough to forsake all learning and training on the Isle of Sorcerers, not since the Dragon King raised his great tree, so long as in the normal periods of rest they forsook physical tasks and instead sought insight through mental challenges.

No, it was simply that the construct of dark-alloy forged was not impeded by such petty constraints as their fellow disciples walking upon the Middle Way. None so dogged perhaps than Chun Ting Lo, his most esteemed mentor, a warrior nigh beyond peer who had felled giants and foul demons alike. "This one presents himself to Mentor!" Dai Ken bowed, perhaps more than even his teacher deemed seemly, but he was the only one who shared a common tongue with him, something he used to pride himself on before learning of some of the deeds so-called 'savages' that his chosen exemplar deemed comrades had committed together, nor the mighty feats of the True Dragon Among Men, King Viserys, nor his noble Companions alongside him. Truly mighty and enlightened beings he hoped to one day match.

"You may speak, Disciple," Mentor spoke with a hint of exasperation, no longer bidding him to rise with haste. His fellow students were not well used to the display, though he grudgingly admitted once the proof of Mentor's methods had shown them results, they were much less as children tottering up the steps toward enlightenment where he himself sought to climb it like a ladder, swift and sure would be his rise if he did not tumble as some already had, turned away at the steps to this place of contemplation.

"Mentor, you turn Disciples away when they wish to train further, when less than half the day is devoted to toil at the posts, navigating obstacles or sparring. I feel this is stagnating my progress." He bowed again, at just as sharp an angle. "Already I beg forgiveness for questioning your methods, yet I must ask..."

Mentor smiled, untroubled unlike the first time he had asked to be taught more than the others, as he had already demonstrated the forms before they had even learned to walk. "Perhaps more a failing of mine than you would think, Disciple. I expect you speak of your fellow student walking upon the Path?" He bent his head toward the Man of Metal, who was now attempting to seek Balance, who despite the slowness to which they took to each lesson imparted, was the furthest along the path of all, simply because they were as unyielding in will as they were in form. "They are not formed as other men are, Disciple, and I fear they could lose less of themselves by wearing deeper treads upon but one path along the Middle Way, than by enriching themselves in art or craft, or else deepening bonds with others besides their fellow Disciples."

Mentor's smile dimmed quickly. "I fear I am inadequate as an instructor for one such as they. Like as not someone who understands their nature better than I could impart upon them further knowledge, but for now they make no mistakes, as it is in their nature to replicate each task in perfect order and harmony already, never erring from the first time they succeed, as they do not have the same instincts guiding them as we do, but must instead ingrain such instincts as men ingrain upon their bodies the forms. More time still devoted to learning why one walks such a path."

"Mentor, already you demonstrate you are worthy for the task," Dai Ken voiced brashly, even though he regretted contradicting his Mentor so. "Such insight falls from your lips as easy as breathing or as gently as the rain falls in these Lands of Sunset." To think he would find someone with such genius to teach him even after the fools who scorned him and ridiculed him could do nothing to tear him from his own lofty perch walking upon the Martial Path. For it was true that talent would only bring one so far. "If I had a thousand years to learn at your feet, you would only gain further insight." Though not necessarily more quickly than Dai Ken could learn it, he left unvoiced, for was it not the way for the student to eventually surpass the master, something he fully intended upon?

"Pei," Mentor voiced as if mimicking another, though not going so far as rolling their eyes, "Such arrogance gains you distance from your peers, rather than elevate you further as you so desire. All men have the means to learn, but finding the best method is just as much in the hands of the wayward student who has found themselves stagnating as it is the teacher who lectures without resolving once to face the same challenges as their own students. When you can find a fellow Disciple who matches you in skill and determination, return to me and another lesson I shall impart. Do nothing else until then."

Dai Ken wanted to curse, as that would mean a halt to his already snail-pace progress. How was he to find a fellow Disciple with even an eighth of his potential?

***​

Chun Ting Lo shook his head as he watched his brash student walk away, still unused to the feeling of lecturing others as he had been, mostly finding his own way forward like a blind man leading the blind, but he did have lessons imparted by a true Master of the Middle Way to lean upon, unlike many of these young men and women. Young Dai Ken was an exile by choice with few prospects as a child given the gift of middling attention and even less love from their parents, quite opposite of himself come to think of it.

He grew more troubled, spending many long hours where he used to sleep whenever they were not off traipsing about the Sunset Kingdoms dispatching monsters and uncovering ancient conspiracies, simply thinking of ways to help his students continue their own advancement until such a time that walking more independently upon their own path, they might gain the same enlightenment he himself had found.

Too many devoted themselves to learning the forms before understanding their own minds, or else obsessed with the earthly things mastery of the body might gain them before aught else. It was almost a blessing no impatient missives had arrived from the Dragon King's court about his lack of real progress, but while many might have gained further insight if he had but chosen to teach them, most of them held onto the well-honed determination of men and women who sought to understand the world around them before they understood themselves, seeking first to craft the path they walked upon before even taking the first step.

These he suggested other opportunities, the Imperial Military Academy where one might become an Engineer, an Officer or even an operator of one of the King's flying weapon-craft. Or else for the more academic or charismatic, the Scholarum, where both might serve them well in uncovering the secrets needed to change the reality before them into one most pleasing.

"You don't look very happy, Ting." Ceria approached him, a sad look on her face that wasn't wholly faked from where he stood, given the sardonic smile he must be wearing it must take all of her considerable will to concede even that much wry humor on something that did deeply trouble him. "What's wrong?"

He sighed, "It is simply that, part of me feels I could be doing much more for the people the King's officials had been sending my way, and no longer do they do this at my own request, instead only the curious approaching to ask for the knowledge I seek to impart, but..." He shook his head. "There are more... methods, that one could use and achieve considerable strength, with which one might gain the insights necessary to continue advancing where others might shatter and break altogether, and indeed many would break upon this divergent path," deviant he wanted to say but could not force the word out, "yet proportionate to those attempting such trials and tribulations, more warriors would the King have access to, more men and women to protect his realm."

He turned to face her, grim countenance fully serious now. "I do not break those I take under my wing, and this passes for the limits with which I can attest to at this point, not without more skilled Adepts could I go further, and in order to train such Adepts they would risk much more than that, and would need one capable of guiding them along the 'proper path' to go further." His face twisted slightly, pensive. "I spent much time deriding my own Master's methods but I realize now much of what he was trying to teach, that this is not a way of life for one who wishes to change how men would live, only enough can any one being learn walking the path of the Silver Moon to maintain the world's balance, from the smallest methods to the largest single acts."

He stared off toward the distant shore, the rising sun better casting into focus the many mage lights of the city beneath them, the greenery grown into the fabric of the city and the hustle and bustle of such a place which never truly slept, business conducted at all hours with only noise ordinances enforced diligently that differentiated the hour from a busy afternoon. "He must have been so very lonely," he whispered, not quite believing himself capable of feeling pity for that ancient curdled form of a man, content to let empires burn around him so long as the world remained after them and life might find its way even in the ashes of such sorrow.

"Yet you yourself would not walk the same path as him, just as you teach just enough to help people rise themselves up and find their own place in the world... to 'maintain balance' as you put it doesn't require being callous. You're more than proof of that, Ting." Ceria squeezed him hard enough to make ribs protest, but Ting smiled perhaps in spite of the abuse.

"How unfair," Ting replied, returning the embrace much more gingerly, "I am the one used to doling out such sagely wisdom."

"Yeah, well, I had a good teacher," she huffed, pulling back to smile widely.
Lots of good stuff in this chapter, dude. It's neat to see the Adamantine Golem progressing on its path to Monkhood, and Ting is doing a great job of becoming a wise mentor rather than merely a teacher of the magical martial arts.

The Dai Ken section felt like I was reading an excerpt from Savage Divinity. :p
 
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Part MMMCCXII: Raven's Kin
Raven's Kin

Twenty Fourth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

Letter in hand you set out in search of Hoster Blackwood, south across the Red Fork and a little west you fly. The land does not change much as you cross the Red Fork and beyond, low rolling hills generously watered and dotted with golden thatched villages clustered around the tall grey stone septs, their bells calling to morning worship. Still, here and there, usually upon a hill that is a little too regular to have been wrought wholly of the hand of nature, a weirwood tree reaches out pale branches to the shy, blood red leaves rustling in a wind from the east. But none can hope to match the tree upon the horizon.

Even were it not for the moss shrouded walls that encircle it and the timber keep that lies in its shadow, bearing some distant kinship to Thennhold in the Far North, you would know it for what it is, the Raventree for which the keep was named. Two thousand years and more it had lain dead and mocking those who should have been its guardians. It has been woven upon their banners and hardened their hearts to war in memory of ancient treachery, yet now it too blooms with new life, turning the golden morning light a thousand shades of crimson as the Old Gods rejoice, and in a place even more well hidden than the Valley of the Thenns the son of Aegon the Fourth and Melissa Blackwood knew a rare moment of personal contentment at the restoration.

"I wonder what spells we could lay on a tree that old?" Dany wonders aloud, her thoughts obviously turning on the same currents as yours. "They keep to the Old Gods here so they would probably be less leery of blood sacrifice than most in the south."

"Let's make sure they stop shedding the blood of their neighbors before we offer to bleed fiends for their profit," your mother interjects, her tone far lighter than you would once have imagined when speaking of such things.

As you approach in search of Lord Blackwood's thirdborn son you find yourself stymied by unexpected circumstance, Hoster is nowhere to be found at Raventree. Where Lord Jonos had chosen to exile his daughter into one of Stone Hege's more isolated towers Tytos Blackwood had decided to banish his son from Raventree altogether. True, it was not called a banishment, but the quarrel between father and son had been fierce enough that none of the servants or armsmen could have mistaken it.

"It's 'cause he couldn't have her see," one household knight with two fingers missing on his left hand and a love of Tyroshi brandy 'to dull the pain' explains sagely over a drink. "That's how it is with boys thinking they're men, need to prove themselves to the old man they do so they do a damn fool thing like set their sights on a girl that's not for them or meddle in witch-work, dangerous business that..." he spits over his shoulder to avert ill luck, then catches himself. "Not that there's anything wrong with witchery like I heard they do it over in Essos, right proper with schools under the sanction of the crown."

Is he just saying that because he does not want the drink to stop flowing from the generous Tyroshi merchant or echoing his lord, you wonder. A matter for another time. For how you should try to find Hoster. "Where did the boy get sent off to?"

"Squiring at Seaguard, likely as not still on the road, the only left two days ago on account of it taking his father so long to get the matter settled with Ser Patrek..."

Why would Tytos Blackwood take that long in talks just to get a rebellious son as a squire at Seaguard? True House Mallister is strong enough to be a useful ally at any time, but weeks of concerted effort hint at something more. Was he trying to secure an alliance against the Brackens specifically in light of recent tribulations?

Whatever the answer you are unlikely to get it sitting here and buying drinks. "My thanks, Ser Knight, I will be sure not to try and sell the lord anything with the promise of love and romance, eh?" you offer in passing with a smile.

***​

Though Hoster might not prove as useful as you had first anticipated you do have a letter to deliver and if nothing else he can tell you more about how his eldest brother took his efforts at peacemaking. It takes you only a few hours to catch up to the small group of riders, the false ravens you had scattered last night proving useful scouts in finding them. Thankfully they are inclined to stop for lunch at the edge of a forest, giving you all the perfect chance to speak to the boy. After all, a full belly makes sleep so much more tempting...

To his credit the boy takes all his companions dozing off by the fire in the middle of the day with all the suspicion it deserves, jumping to his feet and quickly calling on the second sight with a spell in the Old Tongue that Ansa must have taught him. Still, he does not present the most fearsome prospect to any foe that might come upon him, fine boned features unmarked by scar or blemish framed by dark blond curls that you suspect he puts some effort into. "Halt! I..."


"We are friends, messengers even," you motion to the letter in your hand. "Time is short and your companions might have looked in askance at our meeting."

"My jailers, you mean," the boy frowns, but then his features suddenly lighten at the sight of the letter. "Is that from Catelyn, give it here..."

You watch with carefully hidden amusement as his eyes race across the parchment, then widen as he reaches a certain part. "Your Grace, I apologize..."

"No need," you wave the notion off. "I understand full well what it is like to be in love, but there is more than love at stake in what has happened these last few months, it is a part of a darker weaving I hope to see at last undone."

The boy nods jerkily, reads the reminder of the letter, then come the questions as it natural; about the warg, his dreams about Lady Catelyn's fate and her sister's agreement. Though you cannot answer all of them in full you take care not to lie either. The blooming of the tree that had set him on the path of magic you call a blessing of the Old Gods upon House Blackwood, Rickard Stark's fate you call a curse, not wanting to spread the knowledge that wargs might gain such parasitic immortality through their own power.

"I do not know how to thank you, Your Grace, for all you have done." With a sheepish smile the boy adds. "That's the gods own truth, not exaggeration, I'm not the best with words."

"But you managed to talk to your bother Ser Brynden about the evils of the present feud," your mother prompts.

"A little, enough that he promised he would not give me away and that I got him thinking at least," Hoster explains. "Though he keeps to the Old Gods like the rest of us Brynden is a great knight, he loves tourneys, chivalry and I do not think he would shy away from war, but some of the things that have been done in the name of vengeance against the Brackens over the years sat ill with him." He pauses for a moment, realizing he had missed something in his haste. "I looked for documents, you see, about how we had fought in the past, at first hoping to prove that it all evened out, but that would be hopeless, so instead I made the point that it did not matter who started all this because it was making both our Houses bitter and mean-spirited. That seemed to work like I said, but I'm not sure how much of that after may have undone. I could write a letter back to him as well as one to Catelyn if you like."

What do you reply?

[] Accept the letter, the words of his brother, even at one removed, might help
-[] Write in approach to persuading Ser Brynden

[] Decline the letter, it would come with explaining the clandestine meeting and might seem ill in Ser Bruynden's eyes
-[] Write in approach to persuading Ser Brynden


OOC: I did not expect this to go on as long as it did, but then the background rolls came out less than stellar and I did not want to have a vote going 'do you go after Hoster' since I was pretty sure what you guys would vote for it.
 
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@DragonParadox, does Bloodraven have an idea of the range of the Tree of Raventree Hall once it's properly enchanted? It was particularly gigantic compared to other Weirwoods in Westeros, thought it can't compare to the Tree of Lys or the Tree of the Dawn Age.
 
@DragonParadox, does Bloodraven have an idea of the range of the Tree of Raventree Hall once it's properly enchanted? It was particularly gigantic compared to other Weirwoods in Westeros, thought it can't compare to the Tree of Lys or the Tree of the Dawn Age.

It could cover Raventree Keep and enough space around it to make a small city, so less than the island-wide tree of the Dawn Age by an order of magnitude but still a lot.
 
It could cover Raventree Keep and enough space around it to make a small city, so less than the island-wide tree of the Dawn Age by an order of magnitude but still a lot.
Perfection. :D We are definitely having Magic Circle Against Evil as the keystone effect. Maybe we could go triple for nine times the range? It really depends on what the Blackwoods ask for. They could get limited skill boosting effects in echo of the Tree of the Dawn Age or a truly massive Magic Circle Against Evil.
 
[X] Decline the letter but thank him for the warning. Ser Brynden is probably someone more set with the 'proper way' of going about things, and you have enough working against you in attempting to do things the 'proper way'. Probably not enough to earn the Blackwood heir's enmity considering all the other things about your rule there is to consider, especially in relation to his own House, but enough to make him hesitate already.
-[X] You will present it in the plainest terms for his benefit. You are already one leg over the finish line here, where before Hoster had nothing to offer but idealism and scant hopes. With the Crown arbitrating the matter in a way that is just and fair, leaving neither side feeling like they were shorted from the more 'material' concerns of the matter, the rest of the feud, fueled by the bitter hatred of one old man from the past, can finally be laid to rest.
-[X] You have your arguments readied for how both sides might benefit already. You have your own convictions for why peace should be kept, and cogently point out that no one is going to have much time to try killing each other anyway given the pace with which you move in any conquest you've undertaken thus far, you need only look to Essos to see the truth of that.
-[X] If Blackwood and Bracken attempt to settle their feud with any degree of urgency before then, it would be the surest madness of the entire matter despite all evidence that it serves neither House to feed into it further. Hence your efforts to try to get both sides of the dispute looking to the future, secure in the knowledge the past is a matter of history, to be learned from, but only in how to avoid repeating mistakes.
 
So, should we do something about the fact that Hoster here is almost certainly getting sent off to marry some girl? It doesn't exactly fit our plans so we might want to interrupt now, rather than wait until he gets to Seagard.
 
So, should we do something about the fact that Hoster here is almost certainly getting sent off to marry some girl? It doesn't exactly fit our plans so we might want to interrupt now, rather than wait until he gets to Seagard.
That's something we'll have to discuss with Lord Tytos. He'd be forging an alliance with a Tully loyalist, so I kind of doubt it. That's not just hitching your horse to a sinking ship, it's actively slathering yourself with beef and gravy and jumping down a dragon's gullet.
 
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