Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Ling Qi has speed.
Compared to Zhengui's
Given Ling Qi is expressly forbidden from haring off after an enemy that she might end up fighting alone because Zhengui isn't fast enough to keep up that puts an extremely hard limit on how far Ling Qi can go from Zhengui unless he has agreed to hold down another front.
This puts a pretty short range on any pursuit we can take. So if a high level enemy appears on the battlefield but backs off a bit we can't chase them down properly without stopping to dematerialise Zhengui, by which point they're probably gone.
Given that most people Ling Qi will be fighting and struggling with will be significantly faster than Zhengui that means that they can basically retreat at will, or kite us around all day if necessary, or just go around us.
We're simply so fast compared to Zhengui that promising not to leave him behind and fight opponets alone due to the difference in movement means that much of our currnt speed becomes irrelevent if the enemy decides to just not fight Zhengui.
One of the terrifiyng things about Ling Qi is that she's her own huge horrible death zone that also moves fast enought to be practiacally impossible to avoid for peers. This changes that, our range goes down massively becasue we hit an elastic band distance from Zhengui before we have to stop.
Edit: Just look at the last big barbarian engagment. The fight moved kilometers very quickly. If we'd had this promise we'd have had to break off pursuit much, much sooner and return to Zhengui. Leaving the raiders a lot more free to do their work, go around us etc etc.
And this sped issue basically won't change until he gets to be proper mountain sized. At which point sheer size will make his faster than you might think.
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Yes, it will be a challenge and sacrifice to be less hyper-mobile, but what is life without challenge. Multiple Characters have been expressing concern over our sacrificial tendencies and we shouldn't put mere tactical concerns over the feelings of Xiulan, Zengui, Hanyi, Qingge, etc etc. Family should be Ling Qis top prioirity, and sometimes that means she has to give things up in order to maintain relationships. We cannot sustain a family merely on Ling Qi's, after all
@picklepikkl Basically as far as I see it the vote as strapping a huge bungee cord around Ling Qi's waist which yanks her back if she goes too far from Zhengui with prior agreement.
Imagine a video game where you're prevented from moving forward too far while the camera follows your NPC ally move at below walking pace, while offscreen you hear an enemy taunt you about alll the people he's going to kill because you're too slow to catch him, possibly punctuated by the occasional dying scream or bullet hitting you from beyond the camera range.
Imagine a video game where you're prevented from moving forward too far while the camera follows your NPC ally move at below walking pace, while offscreen you hear an enemy taunt you about alll the people he's going to kill because you're too slow to catch him, possibly punctuated by the occasional dying scream or bullet hitting you from beyond the camera range.
- Location
- Canada
[] Teach Zhengui how to use his fire breath as a rocket booster
Obvious solution.
Obvious solution.
Or we could take a sensible compromise, agree to stop the self sacrifice plays and not cripple our mobility and screw up our development for the next few months.
@yrsillar can we write in for this. Promise to not make self sacrifice plays and to try to work together more but not completely tether ourselves to Zhengui's e rank speed and cripple our mobility?
- Location
- United States
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
It would be kinda hypocritical if Ling Qi continued to not rely on others after telling Renxiang not to do the same thing like five minutes earlier.
It would be kinda hypocritical if Ling Qi continued to not rely on others after telling Renxiang not to do the same thing like five minutes earlier.
Varder
Tired Cultist
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- Hell
Isn't it too late for it? Ling Qi has way perks about being fast and impossible to catch.
And honestly, Xuan Wu are so restricted in tactical options, that fighting alongside them is possible with only a handful of tactics: lure the enemy to him or stand with him. The first we are currently trying to implement (in theory at least) and the second is so not Ling Qi, it's hilarious.
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[x] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
I have no argument about what's a better option. I just find this a more interesting development, to have Ling Qi fail to listen and agree to limit herself. Right after telling Cai Renxiang that she needs to do better about opening up and sharing tea with people.
I have no argument about what's a better option. I just find this a more interesting development, to have Ling Qi fail to listen and agree to limit herself. Right after telling Cai Renxiang that she needs to do better about opening up and sharing tea with people.
- Location
- Alaska
My opinion , she's built a family now, and she needs to learn to start trusting them or she's going to start driving away the people that love her.
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
Black Noise
Curious
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- About 1AU from Sol
My opinion, but I don't think @Humbaba's idea is the tradeoff here. I expect the actual tradeoff to come from how the promise will limit us in cases where we do exercise the scout part of our suite (in the short term), and how we'll be inclined to develop our build away from furthering those areas of strength in favor of more team-oriented stuff (longer term).
I could be wrong and we'll work out a magical solution to make our spirits more mobile/available (or get a 4th spirit more aligned with such pursuits), or that we'll grow sufficiently strong/adept at tactics/strategy for LQ to feel confident in exercising such abilities without breaking the promise, but I think some element of the short and long-term tradeoffs apply.
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This is all about Zhenguis insecurities though. He feels ashamed that in many situations he cant really fight beside us and this is causing him pain. He feels weak and it hurts. If there is good reasoning he is fine with splitting the party, but we shouldnt do it just because its convenient.
- Location
- The willow crowned hill
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- She/They
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
There's room for a comprise at the narrative level, but this is just unfeasible.
There's room for a comprise at the narrative level, but this is just unfeasible.
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- Virginia
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Being convenient sounds like a pretty good reason in the context of people's lives being in danger -- ie, the only time she'd do so.
- Location
- Canada
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)