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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I don't see the point in delaying. If we don't do it this month we'll have to finish AND do the Reach the next.
 
Crake said:
I don't see the point in delaying. If we don't do it this month we'll have to finish AND do the Reach the next.
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Still looking forward to sending Team Rhaella out on a diplomacy tour of the Reach next month.

Rhaella, the Umbral Stalker, the Seeker, maybe a Mind Dragon, and whoever else she deems necessary will have a fun time of it, I imagine. Could be another great interlude arc, @DragonParadox. *cough*hint*cough*hint*cough*
 
Goldfish said:
Still looking forward to sending Team Rhaella out on a diplomacy tour of the Reach next month.

Rhaella, the Umbral Stalker, the Seeker, maybe a Mind Dragon, and whoever else she deems necessary will have a fun time of it, I imagine. Could be another great interlude arc, @DragonParadox. *cough*hint*cough*hint*cough*
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Give her Azema and Mereth. :drevil:

Kidding... in the Reach? Good lord!
 
tarrangar said:
My plan is, use our diplomacy score to talk the parents into allowing the marriage, then try to give them some common enemies, in the various enemies of all life, so they can bond over hating the Fiends, the Others, and assorted nasties.
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Or we just direct so much social magic and Mythic power at the young couple that they both awaken as Dragonfire Adepts. That'll do the trick. Or everything will end in fire and blood.
 
Ah, I'm starting to realize why I don't like Westeros.

We can't solve nearly all of the problems there by simply killing everyone.

Bleurgh!
G'night all.
 
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The main issue with all this is that their families literal identities are revolved around hating one another and it hasn't really gone away. The most recent example I can remember is when Aegon V set his Bracken Mistress aside for a Blackwood. This situation will take more than just a simple drop-by problem solved. They need to have an eye kept on them to make sure that neither family do anything rash. These kids have not made our lives easy.
 
The lucky thing is they are kids, we can force them through the soft cap in a variety of ways.

Make them both the most important people in their respective families and support their relationship, two leading figures with the common cause to bury the hatchet and each carrying the individual power most capable of furthering the cause of their families, it's hard to argue with such a power couple.

Being the first "heroes" in each line for the new age will give them tremendous leeway and the younger generation is most likely to look up to and strive to emulate them.
 
We could always flip a coin, heads for one family and tails for the other, after letting them decide who gets which side. Loser's entire family is relocated to Essos and the Imperium seizes their former lands.

Problem solved. It might even end amicably on both sides if the losing family is given good lands. It's hard to have a feud when your enemies are a continent away.
 
Here is what I suggest. Disownment. The two families wash their hands of these two. Send them to the east where we will give them some land, a castle and a good life. We can always use more administrators and both are nobles. The families aren't humiliated by this incident, the couple can remain married and we get two competent administrators.
 
[X] Crake

Why don't we just specify that we have no jurisdiction over actions taken by people outside of his territory who haven't actually sworn directly to him?

Besides this wasn't an assassination, it was a death in battle. Even if we did accept retroactive responsibility this is hardly criminal.

Would we let people drag inquisitors to court over their operations if they became known by name?

Either it wasn't any of our business, or a crown agent was attacked while conducting his duties and defended himself. As far as I'm aware we have a line in our constitution on that, and it essentially says the brigand who did so got what was coming to him.

That's not terribly tactful, but we can hardly declare our own agents just barely covered enough under the law to be prosecuted by it without enjoying its other protections.

This case in particular isn't a huge deal, but while the issue is relevant we should make a point of this.
 
It's criminal by the standard that they were 'brigands', setting aside the fact that they were only targeting Lannister and Crown agents, and not say, raiding villages and making off with their women while killing their men.

By our own standards they were pretty obviously making a statement with their activities, it's just that Ser Keath was hot-blooded and thought he could win a little glory by "seeing off the bandits who dare invade our family's land". He gambled with his life, played stupid games, and won a stupid prize.

But we can fix it. They basically just have to let us flex on the issue as "rewarding a loyal House who's heir met an unfortunate end due to a misunderstanding of identity". Those were obviously Lannister men Ser Keath was hunting down to scalp. Or so he thought at the time. :V
 
It might be a good idea to come up with a more general policy on dealing with old feuds like this.

I'm almost tempted to flip this issue on them; taking everything they say incredibly seriously and set up a whole thing as a hugely bureaucratic time sink.

Make them list out explicitly every claim and offense, then file paperwork, make sworn statements, testify in court, cross examine witnesses, and as many other bits of busywork we can come up with.

we dangle royal enforcement of the ruling in front of them, then drown them in paperwork until they're as sick of this feud as everyone else is. Once they're nice and exhausted, we have some planted agents bring up the idea of settling out of court.

every member of the family swears that they're satisfied with whatever deal we come up with, then if they ever resume the feud the case gets audited and reopened so they can do it all again.

At the very least we shouldn't be the only ones fed up with this shit.


Crake said:
It's criminal by the standard that they were 'brigands', setting aside the fact that they were only targeting Lannister and Crown agents, and not say, raiding villages and making off with their women while killing their men.

By our own standards they were pretty obviously making a statement with their activities, it's just that Ser Keath was hot-blooded and thought he could win a little glory by "seeing off the bandits who dare invade our family's land". He gambled with his life, played stupid games, and won a stupid prize.

But we can fix it. They basically just have to let us flex on the issue as "rewarding a loyal House who's heir met an unfortunate end due to a misunderstanding of identity". Those were obviously Lannister men Ser Keath was hunting down to scalp. Or so he thought at the time. :V
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my point was that he wants the Lads punished in the imperium. If they were under Viserys' rule when they killed that guy our law would consider them in the right since he was attacking them in the course of their duties.

let him take them to Westeriosi court if he wants a ruling on their standards.
 
BronzeTongue said:
It might be a good idea to come up with a more general policy on dealing with old feuds like this.

I'm almost tempted to flip this issue on them; taking everything they say incredibly seriously and set up a whole thing as a hugely bureaucratic time sink.

Make them list out explicitly every claim and offense, then file paperwork, make sworn statements, testify in court, cross examine witnesses, and as many other bits of busywork we can come up with.

we dangle royal enforcement of the ruling in front of them, then drown them in paperwork until they're as sick of this feud as everyone else is. Once they're nice and exhausted, we have some planted agents bring up the idea of settling out of court.

every member of the family swears that they're satisfied with whatever deal we come up with, then if they ever resume the feud the case gets audited and reopened so they can do it all again.

At the very least we shouldn't be the only ones fed up with this shit.



my point was that he wants the Lads punished in the imperium. If they were under Viserys' rule when they killed that guy our law would consider them in the right since he was attacking them in the course of their duties.

let him take them to Westeriosi court if he wants a ruling on their standards.
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This is all assuming we can't just defuse the whole situation ourselves.
 
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