I think these two are Brine Dragons too.
Erm.
Yeah, I think you are right.
Silly me.
Will change.
@egoo You could include our Mutual Defense Treaty under

as that seems pertinent information to have.
Will add.

Do you guys think I should wait for votes and try to write a second update late, or just do a second interlude (a Rina one) starting now?
Update pls.

Look into Dyutho, whether to get some deep water stuff like Riverine or to see if there is some truth to the Deep One connection. Maybe even more remnants to clear up.


Zerbat and Keela to get more Pearl Steel. Both makers and orders for our mercs maybe. See if Vialest doesn't have glass steel makers too.

And check if Hampa takes item orders too. Plus the obligatory couple million in trade goods again. I'd like to bring some to some other cities to trade as well. Just to get trade with them going.
Will add.
 
I sincerely doubt they actually trade with the Deep Ones. Just now we've seen displayed what can happen if someone is so foolish to think they can get ahead and profit/empower themselves based on their research (go stark raving mad is what they do).

Even if you do act carefully, everyone can see how this ends for most other people who try to get smart about it like that, they go crazy or turn into Deep One food/fuel for their war machine, or they act as another weak link in a chain to spread their dominion over the multiverse.

No one will countenance that threat for long, and if they're already reclusive people who don't broker alliances and engage in brinkmanship with other realms, they will not try to rock the boat much.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 2, 2019 at 3:58 PM, finished with 35 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Duesal
    [X] Ask more questions of their nature
    -[X] Do they know what they are?
    -[X] Do they know how they were born?
    -[X] Do they know how old they are?
    -[X] What did the Mother of Feasts usually feed them, and how regularly?
    --[X] If they were fed sentients, can they stop that diet?
    -[X] What tasks did the Mother of Feasts have for them? Do they know their purpose?
 
Of the bold and hopeful gathered from the Freehold's heirs, be they of the Old Blood or slaves newly unshackled, none were more proud than the maegi of the Order of Omens, the starseers and ritual crafters whose task it was to work with forces too grand and truths too terrible to harness in an instant. They gathered under obsidian vaults studded with glittering moonstones as priests whose temple was the sky, their creed their own desires, that fate and fortune might turn to their whim and of course to the glory of Volantis. It was clear to those mages with eyes to see that they had erred or fallen out of favor a few months past, their most promising students harrowed under the gaze of the High Speaker and even the Omencaller herself, Elaena Aetharis, had seemed lessened and exhausted after returning from seclusion, though she also seemed to find renewed faith in Meraxes, a fact which the mages of a more patriotic bent were cheered by. After all, where might fortune and grand ritual be best used if not in battle?
So. Any guesses as to what happened here?
Did she talk to Meraxes, or did she just learn the truth about Hellven?

Mistress of the Order of Omens, Elaena Aetharis
This sheet has a mistake in it. Practised Ritualist leads to Kin Mastery, and not to the Pathfinder feat of the same name. Is that deliberate?

And she's a teacher, right?

Order of Omens:
  • 2 Adjunct Starseers (Sorcerer 6/Ritualist 2)
  • 5 Magister Seekers (Sorcerer 6/Ritualist 1)
So are they all teachers? They aren't mere magelings (they're proper PCs who have broken the cap and everything - I presume that this is because of the war they won in the Sorrows?).

I was about to ask if we could move them to SD or not, but it turns out that Volantis is massive, with a Manpower cap of 41. We could make it a bigger school than the SD Scholarum just by filling it with Leshies!

Furthermore, please note that as they join the Scholarum and are pushed to adopt a similar teaching methodology, they're about to see an explosion of their mageling numbers.
They seem to mostly accept those who awaken their powers naturally, and those with the right bloodlines and willingness to learn. Then it seems like a sort of "learn the basics, then Master and Apprentices" setup, right?
Scholarum methods are much more "here's a hundred people interested in learning magic, try to awaken their powers!" and "here are a hundred Hedge Mages, you're to teach them some alchemy".

Basically we're a large university, they're a very good school. In both cases you learn a lot, but the university is much better at churning out graduates (even if it does mean that the best researcher has to teach a roomfull of students too).

  • 8 Seekers of the Third Circle (Sorcerer 6)
  • 16 Seekers of the Second Circle (Sorcerer 5)
Are these ones teachers? They could technically teach newbies if they wanted to, after all.

Master of the Order of the Forked Tongue, Forniss the Thought-Twister
Glad to see we get another teacher with 12 Diplomacy!
It's a small boost, but ever percentage point counts.

Does this mean that all our Scholarums can now teach Mesmerists? Or is it only this one because he's there to guide it all?

Disciples of the Forked Tongue
  • 3x Mesmerist 6
  • 4x Mesmerist 5
  • 7x Mesmerist 4
  • 13x Mesmerist 3
  • 11x Mesmerist 2
  • 11x Mesmerist 1
Are the high-level ones teaching too? They can also teach baby mages.
On the other hand we do always want more level 5-6 magelings to do a million other tasks, so if they don't want to teach they probably don't have to.

The Order of Flame Binders
  • 10 Flame Shields of the Third Circle (Abjuration Wizard 5)
  • 13 Flame Shields of the Second Circle (Abjuration Wizard 3)
  • 17 Flame Shields of the First Circle (Abjuration Wizard 1)

Spellblades
  • 1x Hexblade Level 5
  • 7x Hexblades Level 4
  • 2x Hexblades Level 3
  • 9x Hexblades Level 1

Again, are the level 5 ones teaching?

Unaffiliated Sorcerers and Junior Students:
  • 14x Sorcerer 6
  • 7x Sorcerer 5
  • 3x Sorcerer 3
  • 19x Sorcerer 2
  • 11x Sorcerer 1
Same question.
 
@egoo, I am confused. How did we make Cleric Creature Lotus Leshies?
I thought we could only make Druid Creature ones.

EDIT : It's been a thing for ages that we could only make Druids, not Clerics. That's part of why we wanted them from Mantarys, and why our Scholarums train Druids but not really Clerics. Or will that be changing now that the Scholarum in Mantarys is part of our network, @DragonParadox?
Sorry to bombard you with questions tonight... But please answer that one first, it's rather important if I want to get any sheet editing done.
 
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@TalonofAnathrax Zherys informed her of THE TRUTH. And that caused her to go to Meraxes as a sheepish supplicant who knew they would rather put a pinprick in their pride than end up a slave to Devils in Heaven or Hell (because there's varying degrees of chance to the whole afterlife concept).

I think it was less the fact that she thought she would end up in Heaven anyway, and more the fact that she just plain didn't think of Heaven, or Baator for that matter, and it suddenly became preeminently important to give it some serious thought which God she gave praise and held faith towards because Heaven is less a nebulous concept that may or may not be real, and actually a real place that got hit with the metaphysical equivalent to Armageddon already.

@egoo, I am confused. How did we make Cleric Creature Lotus Leshies?
I thought we could only make Druid Creature ones.

We mulched living examples with the Template to recreate it.
 
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@egoo, I am confused. How did we make Cleric Creature Lotus Leshies?
I thought we could only make Druid Creature ones.
We mulched a Cleric Creature devil last month, as well as some others:
-[] 1 Sorcerer Creature Blood Maiden (to unlock Sorcerer Creature template in Fungus Forge)
-[] 1 Wizard Creature Pleasure Devil (to unlock Wizard Creature template in Fungus Forge)
-[] 1 Desert Devil, 1 Zebub and 1 Sand Devil (to ease the process of Praetorian Project; 6 less Progress needed)
-[] 1 Obsidian Devil (in order to learn to create constructs similar to this en-mass, as a promising weapon against Others)
-[] 1 Advanced Glided Devil Cleric Creature (to unlock Cleric Creature template in Fungus Forge)
-[] 1 Mighty Ghonhatine (to unlock
Mighty template in Fungus/Flesh-forge)

EDIT: Double-ninja.
But I have proofs, so it doesn't count :sour:
 
Ugh. Adding new teachers is easy, but adding new classes is a massive pain. Now he have Hexblades, Alchemists and Clerics to add... I really hope we never get an easy way to make psionic classes!

I mean, it's not difficult or anything, I'm just scared of making a single typo somewhere and breaking everything.
 
Ugh. Adding new teachers is easy, but adding new classes is a massive pain. Now he have Hexblades, Alchemists and Clerics to add... I really hope we never get an easy way to make psionic classes!

I mean, it's not difficult or anything, I'm just scared of making a single typo somewhere and breaking everything.
And then there are Mystic Rangers, whom we'll be training by the end of 12th month :whistle:
[:V]

But for real though, thanks for all this stuff you are doing with that system.
 
@TalonofAnathrax Zherys informed her of THE TRUTH. And that caused her to go to Meraxes as a sheepish supplicant who knew they would rather put a pinprick in their pride than end up a slave to Devils in Heaven or Hell (because there's varying degrees of chance to the whole afterlife concept).

I think it was less the fact that she thought she would end up in Heaven anyway, and more the fact that she just plain didn't think of Heaven, or Baator for that matter, and it suddenly became preeminently important to give it some serious thought which God she gave praise and held faith towards because Heaven is less a nebulous concept that may or may not be real, and actually a real place that got hit with the metaphysical equivalent to Armageddon already.
There's nothing quite like being told that Plan B is a no go to make a mage who hasn't made significant strides into immortality (this being the Plan A of any mage worth speaking of) feel a pressing need to start looking into new alternatives.
 
@egoo, I am confused. How did we make Cleric Creature Lotus Leshies?
I thought we could only make Druid Creature ones.

EDIT : It's been a thing for ages that we could only make Druids, not Clerics. That's part of why we wanted them from Mantarys, and why our Scholarums train Druids but not really Clerics. Or will that be changing now that the Scholarum in Mantarys is part of our network, @DragonParadox?
Sorry to bombard you with questions tonight... But please answer that one first, it's rather important if I want to get any sheet editing done.
Others have already addressed this, but due to sacrifices we've tossed live into the Fungus Forge, we can make Cleric Creatures, Druid Creatures, Sorcerer Creatures, and Wizard Creatures.

It took us a while to collect the necessary sacrifices.
 
So. Any guesses as to what happened here?
Did she talk to Meraxes, or did she just learn the truth about Hellven?

Meraxes shattered her pact with Hell, at some personal cost and no small amount of risk to Elaena


This sheet has a mistake in it. Practised Ritualist leads to Kin Mastery, and not to the Pathfinder feat of the same name. Is that deliberate?

And she's a teacher, right?

  1. Yeah, I think that is a mislink
  2. She is yes


So are they all teachers? They aren't mere magelings (they're proper PCs who have broken the cap and everything - I presume that this is because of the war they won in the Sorrows?).

Yes, they are proper PCs, though minor ones with some adventuring experience at the Sorrows and elsewhere

I was about to ask if we could move them to SD or not, but it turns out that Volantis is massive, with a Manpower cap of 41. We could make it a bigger school than the SD Scholarum just by filling it with Leshies!

It is one of the largest cities on the continent

Furthermore, please note that as they join the Scholarum and are pushed to adopt a similar teaching methodology, they're about to see an explosion of their mageling numbers.
They seem to mostly accept those who awaken their powers naturally, and those with the right bloodlines and willingness to learn. Then it seems like a sort of "learn the basics, then Master and Apprentices" setup, right?
Scholarum methods are much more "here's a hundred people interested in learning magic, try to awaken their powers!" and "here are a hundred Hedge Mages, you're to teach them some alchemy".

It's a mix, you can just be a generalist, but Volantines love their cliques and exclusive societies

Basically we're a large university, they're a very good school. In both cases you learn a lot, but the university is much better at churning out graduates (even if it does mean that the best researcher has to teach a roomfull of students too).

Are these ones teachers? They could technically teach newbies if they wanted to, after all.

They are though not all of them are interested in teaching full time


Glad to see we get another teacher with 12 Diplomacy!
It's a small boost, but ever percentage point counts.

Does this mean that all our Scholarums can now teach Mesmerists? Or is it only this one because he's there to guide it all?

Are the high-level ones teaching too? They can also teach baby mages.
On the other hand we do always want more level 5-6 magelings to do a million other tasks, so if they don't want to teach they probably don't have to.



Again, are the level 5 ones teaching?

Same question.

The mesmerists are all fine teaching, the wizards are mostly fine teaching for good pay, but the unaffiliated high level sorcerers are the ones looking for glory hence why they did not join any of the orders
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 2, 2019 at 3:58 PM, finished with 35 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Duesal
    [X] Ask more questions of their nature
    -[X] Do they know what they are?
    -[X] Do they know how they were born?
    -[X] Do they know how old they are?
    -[X] What did the Mother of Feasts usually feed them, and how regularly?
    --[X] If they were fed sentients, can they stop that diet?
    -[X] What tasks did the Mother of Feasts have for them? Do they know their purpose?
 
Part MMMCXLXII: By Many Paths Enduring
By Many Paths Enduring

Eighteenth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

"What are you?" you ask, cautiously keeping a good fifty feet between you and the swarm whose powers you cannot guess at. Perhaps an unneeded precaution given that you dealt with the one it called 'The Mother of Feasts', but it is better to take such steps and not need them then the reverse.

"We are Many-in-One. We are the Breath of Change. We are The First Born who Reason," comes the rather bewildering reply. Fortunately, the swarm does not seem particularly hungry or otherwise impatient. It was apparently born from the first exhalation of Faerex after undergoing some unnamed stage of her transformation.

It is Relath who puts together the last part, however, looking faintly perturbed in spite of himself: "Those we captured on the way here, they are kin to you, but they did not choose to remain Many-in-One, did they?"

"The Hunger was too deep in them, the flesh too strong to devour and make One-as-Many thus," the entertwined voices proclaimed in what might be regret, though whether regret at lost siblings or a lot meal you could not say.

"And what of your Hunger?" you press after a moment. How might it be sated?

"We hunger but do not Hunger," they answer, leaving you to parse the seemingly nonsensical reply until you can finally say to have distinguished between the mental flavors of the word, the concept of hunger itself, enough to ask what you hope is the right question.

"What do you hunger for?"

Patterns shift in the depths of the swarm, as though it is trying to show you something, but whatever its purpose, it collapses into the faintly disquieting not-quite randomness of the Far Realm. "Warmth, Structure, Existence-Enduring," you get a distinct impression of frustration sharp as steel scraping flesh, like someone trying to explain a scholarly treatise through a three-knock code, or at best Braavosi thieves' cant.

It takes a good half hour between you, Lya, and Dany, Relath having decided to sit this headache out and stay on watch, to figure out what the swarm is attempting to communicate. It requires both heat, the lowest level of undirected energy, some substance in the water from which it draws energy like most living things do from food, and memories, though the swarm did not seem to have any conception of the difference between the recollection of a specific moment and the moment itself, until you explained it so from its perceptive it was eating space and time.

The Many-as-One seem relieved at the realization as they had some notion that Faerex would have to swim further and further, seeking out more of existence for them to feast upon until finally they would starve before she could return. "More of Memory is made with every Moment?" they ask experimentally, trying to balance two new concepts like a rope-walker with a weighted pole in hand.

"Yes," you confirm. After some careful thought you ask, your next and perhaps most crucial, question: "Do you make the Warmth Stop and the Patterns Degrade when you feast upon Memory?"

"No, patterns wrong, heat too little," comes the instant reply, and with that all the pieces finally come together.

In the usual run of things, if such a term could be used for beings of the Far Realm, and Illithidae feeds upon the heat of their victims, the actual flesh of their brains, and the intangible substance of their memories. For some reason the Many have to dissociate the three, they feed on heat and complex salts from the water and from living brains take only memories, still something of an imposition depending on what memory is taken, but far better than having one's skull pierced and brain slurped.

"You said they are much smaller than the norm for illithid spawn, right?" Lya asks when you share the thought. "But the others who hungered differently became larger instead, rather than pooling their intellect? Different survival strategies for an inhospitable environment. Weak flesh, individually at least, strong mind, strong flesh, weak mind, running on instinct..." She cuts off what might otherwise have been a longer speculation. "I don't think this was an intentional work of flesh-craft by Faerex, but rather natural adaptation." She pauses for a moment, looking around. "Well... adaptation in any case, whether one should call it natural is a matter for philosophers I think."

What do you you say to the Many?

[] Offer it a new home, its dietary needs are manageable as long as it feeds by consent. There might even be a market for removing painful memories entirely.
-[] Write in explanation

[] Try to persuade it to move aside without being fed so that you can examine the lair before making any offers
-[] Write in arguments

[] Write in


OOC: I hope this is not going too slow.
 
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We should make sure via divination there are no extra surprises, but beyond that I see no issue with them so long as they swear to abide by our laws. They're basically like the Calpinas.
 
...Okay, these guys I have no desire to show to Gith.

So fascinating, though.

Hell, this might just be the way to nebulous "non-asshole illithids" being a part of our Empire.
...Someday.
Far-faaaar away.
:/

That's...
Huh.

That's 4th way for us to remove memories, isn't it?
Memory-moss, spells, Maelephan't Breathweapon... and now Eldritch shite.

You know, I think we might be legitimately gathering components for a superweapon, without realising it :V
 
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