So...
Next month already paints itself out:

[] Massive action agaisnt Tiamat (GC armies, Shadow Fortress, Spies - possible cooperation with Yi-Ti'sh).

[] Mini-expedition to remaining Celestial cities and seeing if we can arrange tying down Illithid forces there for the time Gith will need to attack those on PoB - essentialy arranging for greater Gith forces avaliable.

[] More PoW action, we have people to loot and (maybe) dragons to kill for hostages and city-states' cooperation.

[] Targeted strikes at Asmodeus forces in Slavers Bay if we can fit that in. And if we find anything tos trike at.

[] Starting evacuation of Thenns (via Moonchaser) and simultaneously researching their Landwards - going full "scorched earth" afterwards.

Anything I'm forgetting?
@Crake, any hot shit brewing in Westeros that I'm forgetting because I don't really care about the steaming pile?

2) I don't see how you conceive of us doing this without devoting our full attention and resources towards it. We don't even know what it looks like, scouting would take a month on its own. With our timeline, what we got out of the Gith is what we're going to get.

3) Maybe, we are probably going to get pretty busy once the gloves come off with us and our major nemesi.

4) We pretty much have to keep eyes on this at all times, so it really depends on what we uncover in terms of actionable intel.

5) Yeah... that shouldn't take much of our attention away.
 
2) I don't see how you conceive of us doing this without devoting our full attention and resources towards it. We don't even know what it looks like, scouting would take a month on its own. With our timeline, what we got out of the Gith is what we're going to get.
This. @egoo, you can't keep trying to stuff next month with major actions or it'll drown out the Tiamat Hunt.
 
@DragonParadox, what kinds of monsters tend to be down there?

What? No. This is insane. We don't have time for anything of the sort, nor do we have anywhere near enough resources for this.
Ah, basic premise - go to cities, and simply look if we can start something up by throwing resources at them.

I dont think the elites Gith will send without said distraction would be enough.

Worst case, we get some strategic/political information on Hellven and maybe snag dome people along the way.

I'm not opposed to moving that to a month or two, but I think we have to fo that regardless.


*crake posts*
Yeah, alright, consider me shouted down.
I see that it isn't quite viable to do now.

...but damn it!
All those Girh who would have joined if those Illithids on Elysium were distracted for a short while!
 
Anyway, as to Westeros, if we get even a few days free I would use them to start working our way down the list of neutral Houses. This month I wanna do the Riverlands. Next month I want to actually and officially create our Lords Declarant-expy in the Vale.

And in the first month I want to devote a bit over a week at least to sizing up the Reach since it will determine our strategic objectives and concerns for the invasion in a big way. The second month and third month I would want to start unwinding that thread the Lannisters left sticking out when they enslaved their own bannermen.
 
Ah, basic premise - go to cities, and simply look if we can start something up by throwing resources at them.

I dont think the elites Gith will send without said distraction would be enough.

Worst case, we get some strategic/political information on Hellven and maybe snag dome people along the way.

I'm not opposed to moving that to a month or two, but I think we have to fo that regardless.


*crake posts*
Yeah, alright, consider me shouted down.
I see that it isn't quite viable to do now.

...but damn it!
All those Girh who would have joined if those Illithids on Elysium were distracted for a short while!
By this point you really need to start looking at this from a broader perspective. We will not have time for an expedition of that magnitude if next month is already split between Tiamat and the Deep Ones.
 
The expression of sheer Schadenfreude I'm wearing on my face right now is enormous when I think about the prospect of having half of Tywin's bannermen raise the Dragon Banner against him.

I've also decided how I want to handle Tywin in the hypothetical scenario we capture him.

I want to make every single one of his bannermen laugh at him. In front of representatives from every house in Westeros.

There's no way he won't die of apoplexy. There couldn't be a more fitting form of execution.
 
[X] Seek out an audience with the envoys of one of the other major realms.
-[X] Hampa to try and recruit more enchanters. With Relath and Breathtaker.
-[X] Compose a
Sealed Sending to Galzerai seeking a meeting to discuss Deep Ones and lesser feuds, specifically the Anvil and the Emir. With Viserys and Rhaella.

Emphasis heavily intended.
 
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[X] Seek out an audience with the envoys of one of the other major realms.
-[X] Hampa to try and recruit more enchanters. With Relath and Breathtaker.
-[X] Compose a
Sealed Sending to Galzerai seeking a meeting to discuss Deep Ones and lesser feuds, specifically the Anviland the Emir. With Viserys and Rhaella.

Emphasis heavily intended.

Could I have some of your thoughts on that? Why Galzerai? What's the political angle? What's your strategy for "managing" them, as we would indeed have to manage Brine Dragons who haven't already caught the proverbial canary and are napping it off like Relath? What do you want to get out of him as it pertains to our short term objectives (the next four months, basically).
 
Could I have some of your thoughts on that? Why Galzerai? What's the political angle? What's your strategy for "managing" them, as we would indeed have to manage Brine Dragons who haven't already caught the proverbial canary and are napping it off like Relath? What do you want to get out of him as it pertains to our short term objectives (the next four months, basically).
I'd vastly prefer us sticking with your current vote.
 
Could I have some of your thoughts on that? Why Galzerai? What's the political angle? What's your strategy for "managing" them, as we would indeed have to manage Brine Dragons who haven't already caught the proverbial canary and are napping it off like Relath? What do you want to get out of him as it pertains to our short term objectives (the next four months, basically).

I want the full story, Brines are known dicks but that's also an easy narrative sell as a result and this is explicitly stated to be a longstanding feud, Galzerai didn't just up and decide to steal the heirs all of a sudden.

I'd rather not find out we were played by basic propaganda in one way or another.

The Emir will always talk after, the Dragon may not.

Even if Galzerai isn't a good ally that doesn't mean the Emir is, for all we know the Emir has an undying hatred for all Dragons and double-crossed them when they can, Galzerai merely surviving such an attempt in the past.

We are operating in the remnants of a Dragon Dominion after all. Bad blood isn't exactly a stretch.

Edit: Stupid forum updates make me type in invisible text now apparently so sorry for any typos.
 
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Clearly one of our long term goals must be the development of a national space program and private space industry!

"These are the voyages of the Spelljammer Enterprise..."
 
Anyway, as to Westeros, if we get even a few days free I would use them to start working our way down the list of neutral Houses. This month I wanna do the Riverlands. Next month I want to actually and officially create our Lords Declarant-expy in the Vale.

And in the first month I want to devote a bit over a week at least to sizing up the Reach since it will determine our strategic objectives and concerns for the invasion in a big way. The second month and third month I would want to start unwinding that thread the Lannisters left sticking out when they enslaved their own bannermen.

So here's my extended thoughts on how we're handling the "War in Westeros" from the 11th Month 293 to the 3rd Month 294.

This month we sweep up the rest of the Riverlands within easy reach and make sure our loyalists there don't allow the rest to consolidate into anything resembling a threat.

Next month we work with Yohn and Lord Grafton and really pull in all of their allies into something resembling a network Monford has going. Ideally this would ostensibly take the form of the Lord Declarant from canon, with much the same reasoning, securing Jon Arryn's succession and forming a regency council. This has happened so many times in Vale history, it's the ideal way to organize.

The 1st Month I want to go hard on the Reach. UNFORTUNATELY I've just discovered, through ABSOLUTELY no chicanery of @DragonParadox's own, Titus Peake is married to a fucking goddamn Lannister cadet branch lady.

LIKE WHAT FUCKING KIND OF COINCIDENCE IS THAT?! :mad:

So our initial strategy is going to rely on capturing Starpike. I would say by capturing the Lord and their household from within. Starpike is relevant as men spilling out of the Prince's Pass run into this as a first roadblock--and in hindsight it's not much of a coincidence that the Lord is married to a Lannister, Tywin probably even in canon was concerned about Dornishmen spilling out of the Pass, though his lack of having any ties between his House and the Reach until Renly died baffles me how this foresight could be anything more than sheer opportunity and the way to keep an eye on the border of a seditious hotbed.

Once we've got a solid hold over the rest of the southern Reach through having Redwyne, Hightower, Tarly and Florent coordinate and politick and present a united front, we can focus our attention away at the prickly and problematic and really get ourselves a nice solid core of genuine loyalists who actually have some resources to throw around, instead of just making it one big chaotic brawl between us, the Fey, the Faith and any leftover third party stooges.

Finally in the second and third month, just before our invasion really kicks off, and mostly because if anything goes wrong it won't be salvageable (as I expect us to have three to four Moonchasers by this point and dozens of Wyverns, which should be enough to project power across the continent in a timely fashion without permanent standing forces hovering nearby like the proverbial Sword of Damocles), we infiltrate the Westerlands and snap off some chains from bannermen.

I would say the second month to learn everyone's particular situation without really revealing our hand or flipping the table, which allows us to do something useful here on an even spread across the effected Houses, and continue building up, then the next month we act quickly and rapid-fire with multiple teams to free them, probably in the last two weeks of the month. If something goes wrong we'll pretty much be ready.

That's the political angle in broad strokes, military insight incoming.
 
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Hey @Goldfish, have you been paying for the Advanced model whenever crafting Wyverns, with all the bells and whistles? You know...
Of course.

They would be much cheaper if we were only crafting the base models. They would be far less useful, though, so we're just going with the fully upgraded version.
 
That reminds me... @DragonParadox, Baleful Teleport is a 6th level spell that allows you to Teleport others at range and against their will. The range is limited to 100 miles per caster level. Could we develop an 8th level version which does the same for Greater Teleport?
@DragonParadox, I posted this one after you logged out last night.

Could we craft something using a Greater Baleful Teleport effect?
 
That's the political angle in broad strokes, military insight incoming.
Might this be of use?
Invasion Plan Cliff-Notes

1. Kings Landing
- use Inquisition assets to hide elite troops in Kings Landing before the Invasion
- on the big day, have a fleet with at least 1 full Legion move towards Kings Landing, covered by a bad weather front created by a Moonchaser
- once the fleet is close enough that the city won't be able to mobilize in time anymore, the Moonchaser peels off and takes position right over the city
- at the same time, the hidden elites take over all military targets within the city and take care of the Goldcloaks
- at the same time, Viserys, Dany, Richard and Lya walk up to the gates of the Red Keep
- meanwhile, the Inquisition closes off all escape routes from the Red Keep, ensuring we capture as much of the court as possible
- the Legion disembarks a few troops to garrisson Kings Landing while the rest sails up the Blackwater to establish field bases, cutting off all travel across the river

2. Trident
- move a fleet up the Bay of Crabs to take Saltpans
- if we can flip the Whents, we instead Gate at least 2 Legions right into Harrenhall and fortify the hell out of the old pile of stones, then take Saltpans
- Frey and Darry hoist the dragon banner, blocking off all routes over or around the Green Fork
- this cuts off both the Vale and the North from all other kingdoms
- the Darkenbeast Company takes the Bloodgate, further boxing in the Vale
- the Royces hoist the dragon banner and together with Danna's forces and the Darkenbeast company take out the Vale
- meanwhile the forces in Harrenhall wait for further orders and prepare to take on any Lannister troops trying to force a way through

3. South
- this one is a bit hazy recently
- original plan was to build a highway through Dorne and invade the Reach over the Princess Pass
- if the Redwynes flip though, we have naval superiority right from the start, allowing us to land troops at the coast and supply them in another way
- the alternative is to deploy 2 Legions and the SIege Company by Gate to the mouth of the Mander, where they link up with the Redwyne fleet and go straight for Highgarden

So we got maybe 1 big field battle in the Vale, maybe 1 big field battle in the Reach and maybe 1 big field battle to hold the eastern Riverlands against Lannister / Tully forces.
And lastly, the field battle that will see Tywin dead.
 
I encourage everyone to consider that @Deliste raises a good point about Marid with a history of feuding with a dragon dominion might make a poor ally to us. But one thing @Deliste isn't considering...

If you cut off the head of a dragon dominion, you have neatly avoided having a power extant leftover holding a grudge against you--people will sweep in to take over what he leaves behind, they'll be too busy to pay attention to you, at least not immediately.

A Marid emirate seems like a bad enemy to make. I would much rather play them off each other and other dragons, and the one benefit to picking a fight with a dragon in the first place would probably be the fact that we can kill them and call it a day instead of just adding yet another concern to our list of concerns.

With that in mind would anyone be particularly opposed if I just had us focus on grabbing enchanters like @Goldfish originally suggested? And maybe more artisans for our underwater district from the other two city states with those trade concerns? Building up our local economy and gaining skilled labor leads to far fewer complications.
 
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