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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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ichypa said:
[X] Plan Redshirt v6
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Changed the name.
picklepikkl said:
Yeah, I will approval vote for the thing currently called Redshirt v6 if the name changes. "Redshirt v5 but with X" is a valid name, but v6 is, well, Redshirt's to use, if they decide they want to propose a new plan (as they mentioned they might, if Boney clarifies their question about the Hammerers and Gyrocopters).
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Well, I don't see the big deal, Redshirt seems to have taken it no problem, but sure, changed the name.

LockedMind said:
@TotallyNotEvil, can you provide your reasoning for choosing "scouting all vampires" over "investigate assassination attempts"? The latter sounds like it will be synergistic with scouting the Necrarch himself and in all likelihood will improve Roswita's survival chance. I understand that it may turn out somewhat redundant if we'll manage to kill Alkharad this turn, but this is in no way guaranteed.
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Because it's of incredible long-term benefit to the campaign.
 
Do we have any confirmation that A) we are allowed to have Johann scout despite the fact that it isn't a listed option for him and there isn't a write in option said to be available, and B) that cloning the Karagril: Mapping action into assisting Dreng with mapping is both valid and isn't just a weird "did they just type one of my predefined options slightly differently to recast it as an Assist option?" thing that we don't have a reason for doing?
 
ChronOblivion said:
Do we have any confirmation that A) we are allowed to have Johann scout despite the fact that it isn't a listed option for him and there isn't a write in option said to be available, and B) that cloning the Karagril: Mapping action into assisting Dreng with mapping is both valid and isn't just a weird "did they just type one of my predefined options slightly differently to recast it as an Assist option?" thing that we don't have a reason for doing?
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AFAIK, the answer is No to both.
 
ChronOblivion said:
Do we have any confirmation that A) we are allowed to have Johann scout despite the fact that it isn't a listed option for him and there isn't a write in option said to be available, and B) that cloning the Karagril: Mapping action into assisting Dreng with mapping is both valid and isn't just a weird "did they just type one of my predefined options slightly differently to recast it as an Assist option?" thing that we don't have a reason for doing?
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We do not. Presumably when Boney has time, he will comment on the legality of this.

Vote's open for another 95 hours, there's time for Redshirt to revise their plan if need be.
 
Approvals:
[X] Plan Perfectly Balanced.
[X] Plan Alkharad Isn't Special

[X] Plan Fuck Alkharad, Free Max Edition
-[X][Max] Have Maximilian attempt to write a paper (choose which from 'Publish or Perish')
--[X] Collate the information that the Army of Stirland collected during the Purge.
-[X][Johann] Previous Task: Have Johann perform or assist with spider autopsies.
-[X][EIC] Have those supplying the Stirland Army keep you informed of events in the Sylvanian Campaign.
-[X] Ask an acquaintance to train you in a skill: Gunnar and Greatsword
-[X] Karagril: Carefully map as much of the mountain as you can.
-[X] Sylvania: Investigate all the Vampires as efficiently as possible, seeking only information, not opportunities.
-[X] Sylvania: Investigate the attempts on Roswita's life, and see if you can determine the mechanisms, spells, and controls that make it possible.
-[X] Sylvania: Investigate Alkharad for yourself, and if a good opportunity arises, take it.
-[X][Overwork] Establish a weekly meeting for the various Journeymanlings and Ducklings that you've accumulated, so you can keep tabs on what they're up to and assist and intervene as necessary.
-[X][Penthouse] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[X][Coin] The Night Prowler
-[X][FreePaper] Write a paper on Mathilde's Multidimensional Aethyric Projection.
-[X][Free] Hire an open-minded Loremaster from a Young Hold to teach the We. [does not cost an action or your money]

Personally, I think poking Moulder and assassinating leaders has an unpleasantly high risk of being a detriment to the cause.

The rest of it had been elaborated upon previously already.
I will approval vote for any plan with:
-Scouting Karagril - Its essential
-No assassinating orc leaders - We were specified to not set the orcs off ahead of time
-No provoking Moulder - We were specified that this campaign is only feasible because the Skaven aren't looking topside and are focused on fucking other Skaven.
-Doing at least one anti-Vampire action
-Doing at least one supporting action if taking a vampire assassination

Also would strongly prefer a dwarf teacher, ourselves(good luck finding the AP tho) or Max, but not married to it.
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
As it exists right now it probably shouldn't, it's basically "Take more actions but be potentially catastrophically worse at all of them" I do think there's something to be said for it to not be worth while. Especially as all of the plans that do it are using it on the magic club. Maybe we should just drop the club and suck up the half action waste next turn.
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This isn't how the mechanic works - the only action "at risk" is the action being Overworked, which is why you have to specify which that is.
 
I think Redshirt's plan would be improved by protecting Roswita. This is very important as she is in a save or die situation, and her death means that one of our biggest accomplishment could mean nothing. I think that swapping out the investigate all the vampires for the investigating the assassination of Roswita would improve it vastly, especially as we don't have the Burning Vengeance enchantment.

Hence, here is a new plan:
[x] Plan Redshirt v5 + Protecting Roswita
-[x] [COIN] Night Prowler
-[x] [MAX] Previous Task: Have Maximilian perform or assist with spider autopsies.
-[x] [JOHANN] Ask Johann to do some preliminary scouting of Clan Moulder's position and their lines under Karagril.
-[x] [EIC] Have those supplying the Stirland Army keep you informed of events in the Sylvanian Campaign.
-[x] [FREE] Hire an open-minded Loremaster from a Young Hold to teach the We.
-[x] Ask an acquaintance to train you in a skill: specify who and what.
--[x] Gunnar, Greatsword
-[X] Sylvania: Investigate the attempts on Roswita's life, and see if you can determine the mechanisms, spells, and controls that make it possible.
-[X] Sylvania: Investigate the attempts on Roswita's life, and see if you can determine the mechanisms, spells, and controls that make it possible.
-[x] Sylvania: Investigate Alkharad for yourself, and if a good opportunity arises, take it.
-[x] Spend time assisting with a fellow councillor's task: specify who and how.
--[x] Assist Dreng by providing him a detailed map of as much of Karagril as possible.
-[x] Karagril: Assassinate competent leaders.
-[x] [OVERWORK] Establish a weekly meeting for the various Journeymanlings and Ducklings that you've accumulated, so you can keep tabs on what they're up to and assist and intervene as necessary.
-[x] [SERENITY] Write a paper on Mathilde's MAP.
-[x] [FREE] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
 
I'd like to point out to everyone that we're teetering on the edge of Magic 8 if we can just learn a spell or two more, and can get that up to Magic 9 if we spend an action on the Powerstone Creation class and another on actually making a powerstone the turn after. At Magic 9, I suspect we'll be a serious candidate for Wizard Lord, which would make a great many things easier for us.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Because it's of incredible long-term benefit to the campaign.
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I would argue that campaign will probably fall to pieces without Roswita, so her well-being is even more important for the campaign. But I admit that it is hard to evaluate the impact of that choice since we don't know her survival chances with and without our help.

[X] Plan Fuck Alkharad, Free Max Edition
[x] Plan Redshirt v5 + Protecting Roswita
 
BungieONI said:
-A solution is to read the book and never use it's Secrets or practice them where others can see. This comes with the issue that we only need witnesses to be lucky once, and that it takes a lot of actions when we don't have a lot of available actions to use and using Overwork on it is a poor idea, and that it pushes Mathilde's character in directions some don't want.
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Actually given our position, practicing them out in the wilderness a half day's ride out is fairly likely that the only thing even in a position to see anything is some orc.
Still, actions are the bigger limiter.
ctulhuslp said:
tl;dr of my position is that there's a reason IRL soldiers do not use bandoliers of loaded guns, and instead carry loaded magazines
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Uh, theres a reason IRL soldiers used bandoliers of loaded guns instead of loaded magazines: Loaded magazines didn't exist then. Early guns were a pain to reload in combat, especially if you were mounted skirmishers rather than fighting from a battle line behind pikes.

The progression went: One large, slow to reload gun -> Brace(3-5, worn on a belt strapped across the chest) of single shot pistols -> Brace of six shot revolvers -> Single gun with magazine clip.
Magazines were a huge innovation because they meant that reloading was fast and reliable. Prior to getting them you had to get an extra gun for each shot you wanted to make quickly
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Wait, what?
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Article:
With a Power Stone, a Wizard can focus the Wind of Magic to cast some of the most powerful spells with ease. It is important to note that only the most powerful and experienced Magisters of the Orders can even attempt to create stones of power. They do so only rarely as it is one of the most exacting and exhausting endeavours that a Magister can embark upon. The complex rituals and processes involved in doing so take anywhere from weeks to months. As a result, very few items would have such a stone attached to it, and only full Magisters (Master Wizards) and Wizard Lords would be likely to possess one.[1b][1c]


"Can be used to cast some of the most powerful spells with ease" certainly implies a boost to our Magic stat.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
and can get that up to Magic 9 if we spend an action on the Powerstone Creation class and another on actually making a powerstone the turn after.
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First time I've heard of that. Magic-boosting staff - yes, +1 Magic from powerstone - no. Could you elaborate, please?

@veekie, how strongly you prefer that exact paper? TNE makes good argument that purge paper may be relevant to Sylvanian campaign.
 
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veekie said:
I will approval vote for any plan with:
-Scouting Karagril
-No assassinating orc leaders
-No provoking Moulder
-Doing at least one anti-Vampire action
-Doing at least one supporting action if taking a vampire assassination
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I guess I could turn Club Wizard into overwork on Plan Securing Abelhelm's Kiddo, add in scouting Karagril... I'd have to think about that.

What's your definition of anti-Vampire? Does messing with Alkharad's magic and training the Greatswords count?
 
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Speaking of Magic Levels I've read in this thread that at Magic 10 one can no longer be considered human. Can someone explain the full extent of this?
 
I want Roswita to live, and Redshirt's plan doesn't make enough of an effort to save her life. Unless his plan includes investigating the attempts on her life I won't vote for it.

[X] Plan Acquire Intel Disregard Sleeping
[X] Plan Perfectly Balanced.
[X] Plan Briefvoice Turn 22
[X] Plan Fuck Alkharad, Free Max Edition
 
So, I'm not seeing a single plan that is interested in setting up the handlers to have a proper informant network in the EIC. Why is that? Rumour Mills are mostly a mixed bag with not much chance of finding out anything that those who care don't already know, while an informant network can get us hidden information.

Currently writing my own plan to do so.
 
kingreaper said:
So, I'm not seeing a single plan that is interested in setting up the handlers to have a proper informant network in the EIC. Why is that? Rumour Mills are mostly a mixed bag with not much chance of finding out anything that those who care don't already know, while an informant network can get us hidden information.

Currently writing my own plan to do so.
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Because the option that deals with Sylvania is a lot more relevant to Sylvania than the rumour mill option, and right now we care a lot about Sylvania.
 
veekie said:
Approvals:
[X] Plan Perfectly Balanced.
[X] Plan Alkharad Isn't Special

[X] Plan Fuck Alkharad, Free Max Edition
-[X][Max] Have Maximilian attempt to write a paper (choose which from 'Publish or Perish')
--[X] Write a paper on the Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition.
-[X][Johann] Previous Task: Have Johann perform or assist with spider autopsies.
-[X][EIC] Have those supplying the Stirland Army keep you informed of events in the Sylvanian Campaign.
-[X] Ask an acquaintance to train you in a skill: Gunnar and Greatsword
-[X] Karagril: Carefully map as much of the mountain as you can.
-[X] Sylvania: Investigate all the Vampires as efficiently as possible, seeking only information, not opportunities.
-[X] Sylvania: Investigate the attempts on Roswita's life, and see if you can determine the mechanisms, spells, and controls that make it possible.
-[X] Sylvania: Investigate Alkharad for yourself, and if a good opportunity arises, take it.
-[X][Overwork] Establish a weekly meeting for the various Journeymanlings and Ducklings that you've accumulated, so you can keep tabs on what they're up to and assist and intervene as necessary.
-[X][Penthouse] Have a tower built atop Karag Nar: -100gc for 1 room, bonus to room's purpose.
-[X][Coin] The Night Prowler
-[X][FreePaper] Write a paper on Mathilde's Multidimensional Aethyric Projection.
-[X][Free] Hire an open-minded Loremaster from a Young Hold to teach the We. [does not cost an action or your money]

Personally, I think poking Moulder and assassinating leaders has an unpleasantly high risk of being a detriment to the cause.

The rest of it had been elaborated upon previously already.
I will approval vote for any plan with:
-Scouting Karagril - Its essential
-No assassinating orc leaders - We were specified to not set the orcs off ahead of time
-No provoking Moulder - We were specified that this campaign is only feasible because the Skaven aren't looking topside and are focused on fucking other Skaven.
-Doing at least one anti-Vampire action
-Doing at least one supporting action if taking a vampire assassination

Also would strongly prefer a dwarf teacher, ourselves(good luck finding the AP tho) or Max, but not married to it.
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I believe Plan Noliar v2 meets your criteria.
 
DarkLight140 said:
As per BoneyM's post here, Imperial books on vampires and undead are considered magical topics for purchase purposes and thus cost College Favor for the Obscure/Antiquarian/Esoteric levels. Thus, while I appreciate your attempt to help optimize our book purchase plan your suggestion would cost College Favor, so it isn't actually an objectively better costless change like you're asserting here.

A twelve-hour response time sounds reasonable when there is sleep and work involved, but somehow it seems much longer when a thread grows at this pace. Sorry for the delay!
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It's totally fine, and thanks for the info. Sorry I couldn't improve things here.
 
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