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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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egoo said:
is it really?
I don't think he'll break under it.

And being aware of this shit is outright mandatory when you got the soul-sucking cat-fucker god-wannabe astringent your country.

Moreover, I don't think he'd take a revelation at a later point better - too important of a secret, one that indirectly harms many, many of his subjects... Albeit, dead ones. Its weird.

...can't?
I'm not quite getting that, are Yi-Tish souls specifically not getting to Hellven, or is it just a myth without much effect upon reality?

Is it just believing in the fact that keeps them going to other places?
(Which though, lets be honest, are not much better than Hellven, since they aren't Divine afterlives), or is there something actively diverting souls?
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Yes, because we haven't even met the man yet, egoo. Currently he's an acquaintance at best who owes us a favor. By the time he becomes an ally then sure, share the info with him, but until then we shouldn't go around spouting off important intel when we haven't even had a council on how to break the news to our own subjects yet.
 
MTB said:
What about our warforged creator?
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His skill level is far, far below Lya's. Theoretically he could benefit, but he has a lot to improve on, and while he does technically deal with soul-lore he would have to put in a lot of work in branching away from Constructs whereas Lya has been working with Fire for months already.
 
Damn...

That was a great interlude, @DragonParadox. You even make me like Melisandre. I think you might be subconsciously using mind control magic on me. Or maybe it is intentional... :o

Very neat lore for Lya, too. That Sacred Pyromancy has some serious potential. Can you write it up as feat we can link to her sheet, or just as a Supernatural ability we can put on the sheet with her others?
DragonParadox said:
About that... the Yi Tish actually have a myth about the gates of heaven closing during some great calamity hence why most souls can't go there anymore.
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Woah! Holy carp balls, they've known Heaven was closed for business for all these millennia? That stretches all the way back to well prior to the decline of magic, right? What are the chances the ancient Yi-Tish, their gods, or the Kami, were able to do something like we've speculated on and craft an artificial afterlife for the souls of the departed?
 
Goldfish said:
Damn...

That was a great interlude, @DragonParadox. You even make me like Melisandre. I think you might be subconsciously using mind control magic on me. :o

Very neat lore for Lya, too. That Sacred Pyromancy has some serious potential. Can you write it up as feat we can link to her sheet, or just as a Supernatural ability we can put on the sheet with her others?

Woah! Holy carp balls, they've known Heaven was closed for business for all these millennia? That stretches all the way back to well prior to the decline of magic, right? What are the chances the ancient Yi-Tish, their gods, or the Kami, were able to do something like we've speculated on and craft an artificial afterlife for the souls of the departed?
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That exists already with every other religion -- souls just travel directly to godly realms instead. Crafting a new replacement heaven probably would have been deemed a waste of resources.
 
Duesal said:
That exists already with every other religion -- souls just travel directly to godly realms instead. Crafting a new replacement heaven probably would have been deemed a waste of resources.
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it depends on how their religiona work, though. If they worship Kami, there probably isn't a specific afterlife waiting for them after death, as those spirits generally exist on the Prime Material Plane. They're the spirits of the land, sea, mountains, etc.

Such believers would have normally gone to the generalized Celestial realms. With those closed for business, an alternative might have been arranged.
 
Deliste said:
Genuinely we should make a couple hundred Children of the Briar, these things can be very effective and Cantrips are no joke.
If anyone tried to advance through woodlands inhabited by these guys they're going to have a bad time.

I want to make a bunch of Flowering Lattice and also advanced versions that generate more Goodberries, I've also had the idea of statting some out as defenders with a few well chosen Templates, the the other ones hanging off of storefronts etc as well as our general greenery they should blend in perfectly.

A few Advanced Rampant Bullettes for our breadbaskets if @DragonParadox will allow us to bump the template to a +2CR and remove or tweak Verdant Genesis so it's not so problematic.
Our farmland will be more productive and Bullettes operate as amazing ambush predators in the right environment, plains are perfect for them.


Most importantly I want to get 2-4 Wings of Plant Imbued Giant Darkenbeasts, it gives them a better chassis overall and some intelligence too, makes for a perfect Scouting/Elite Strikeforce.

The spell likes give them Freedom of Movement at Will and they can fly at top speed low to the ground and through the forest combined with Woodland stride, Tree Stride lets them budget Teleport and Sunburst will absolutely murder formations and ships.
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@Goldfish

Did we ever end up making that handful of Gigantean Darkenbeasts?
 
Goldfish said:
Nope. I cannot recall the reason for it, though, whether DP nixed them or we just backburnered them and forgot.
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I think we never got around to making them. IIRC though the upscaling would have made them particularly nasty an relatively cheap murderblending flying bricks, and if we had combined a Plant template basically would have behaved like dragons with a "breath weapon", actually just a 1/day SLA but still for the purposes of a mass battle and how many we would have deployed it would have had a commiserate effect.

Which I think is a bit cheap since functional dragons shouldn't be that easy to make en masse...

Giant mantas is much cooler anyway, and I think the massive weight and mass of the creatures is easier to engineer since they're aquatic, whereas we would not be imbuing all of the magical support organs and metaphysical sub-systems that a dragon has, unless we were making an actual goddamn dragon, which would mean the project becomes commiserate to the difficulty to create it.

Now that we have draconic Type research and a better forge, we could try making more draconic flying creatures though, if we wanted to.

Edit: To be fair to the "cheap functional dragons", we still sort of got that effect by making large numbers of Darkenbeasts with alchemical payloads of greek valyrian fire, but y'know, expectations meets reality.
 
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@DragonParadox just wanted to say that recent interlude is a great example of the characterization in your quest. Melisandre started out much less open and warm to us, with a good deal of thread considering killing her off, and now she is opening up to others and expanding her own horizons while still retaining her faith.
 
DP never nixed them, I think they just got forgotten.

I've been wanting Gigantean Darkenbeasts for literal OOC years now so it'd be nice to get some finally created.

They're not nearly dragons though @Crake, a real dragon would tear through them like paper I believe.

Thoughts on the rest of my list? I really think the Flowering Lattice varieties could become a staple of the Empire and they'd be beautifully fluffy.

Genuinely we should make a couple hundred Children of the Briar, these things can be very effective and Cantrips are no joke.
If anyone tried to advance through woodlands inhabited by these guys they're going to have a bad time.

I want to make a bunch of Flowering Lattice and also advanced versions that generate more Goodberries, I've also had the idea of statting some out as defenders with a few well chosen Templates, the the other ones hanging off of storefronts etc as well as our general greenery they should blend in perfectly.

A few Advanced Rampant Bullettes for our breadbaskets if @DragonParadox will allow us to bump the template to a +2CR and remove or tweak Verdant Genesis so it's not so problematic.
Our farmland will be more productive and Bullettes operate as amazing ambush predators in the right environment, plains are perfect for them.


Most importantly I want to get 2-4 Wings of Plant Imbued Giant Darkenbeasts, it gives them a better chassis overall and some intelligence too, makes for a perfect Scouting/Elite Strikeforce.

The spell likes give them Freedom of Movement at Will and they can fly at top speed low to the ground and through the forest combined with Woodland stride, Tree Stride lets them budget Teleport and Sunburst will absolutely murder formations and ships.
 
I'm much less against them with the fact that, yes, a properly statted Dragon could probably tear right through the bastards, they're not nearly as well armored and would have a hell of a time getting through the real deal's scales, and it could blast large sections of the air in front of it with fire every 1d4 rounds.

And, functionally, we're using hundreds of the littler bastards to drop payloads of incendiaries already, so it's not as if we don't achieve that effect on massed troops cheaply already.
 
Deliste said:
DP never nixed them, I think they just got forgotten.

I've been wanting Gigantean Darkenbeasts for literal OOC years now so it'd be nice to get some finally created.

They're not nearly dragons though @Crake, a real dragon would tear through them like paper I believe.

Thoughts on the rest of my list? I really think the Flowering Lattice varieties could become a staple of the Empire and they'd be beautifully fluffy.

Genuinely we should make a couple hundred Children of the Briar, these things can be very effective and Cantrips are no joke.
If anyone tried to advance through woodlands inhabited by these guys they're going to have a bad time.

I want to make a bunch of Flowering Lattice and also advanced versions that generate more Goodberries, I've also had the idea of statting some out as defenders with a few well chosen Templates, the the other ones hanging off of storefronts etc as well as our general greenery they should blend in perfectly.

A few Advanced Rampant Bullettes for our breadbaskets if @DragonParadox will allow us to bump the template to a +2CR and remove or tweak Verdant Genesis so it's not so problematic.
Our farmland will be more productive and Bullettes operate as amazing ambush predators in the right environment, plains are perfect for them.


Most importantly I want to get 2-4 Wings of Plant Imbued Giant Darkenbeasts, it gives them a better chassis overall and some intelligence too, makes for a perfect Scouting/Elite Strikeforce.

The spell likes give them Freedom of Movement at Will and they can fly at top speed low to the ground and through the forest combined with Woodland stride, Tree Stride lets them budget Teleport and Sunburst will absolutely murder formations and ships.
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I would much rather make Rampant Leahy and Bullettes. We wouldn't even have to worry about removing the Verdant Genesis ability, since their CR is so low nothing dangerous could be created by it. They would also be quite cheap, meaning we could create tons of them to seed throughout the farmlands of the Imperium.
 
Goldfish said:
I would much rather make Rampant Leahy and Bullettes. We wouldn't even have to worry about removing the Verdant Genesis ability, since their CR is so low nothing dangerous could be created by it. They would also be quite cheap, meaning we could create tons of them to seed throughout the farmlands of the Imperium.
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It's not an either or though?

The Assassin Vines etc are very much a problem for the average muggle, we can't just be seeding the environment with bloodthirsty hazards so I'll have to continue pushing for a workaround on that. It is our duty to make the lands safer.
 
When you guys make an order for more plants, don't forget to also order Verdant Wolves by the dozens. We need them at the Wall and guarding our Heart Trees.
 
Duesal said:
When you guys make an order for more plants, don't forget to also order Verdant Wolves by the dozens. We need them at the Wall and guarding our Heart Trees.
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Goldfish said:
I would much rather make Rampant Leahy and Bullettes. We wouldn't even have to worry about removing the Verdant Genesis ability, since their CR is so low nothing dangerous could be created by it. They would also be quite cheap, meaning we could create tons of them to seed throughout the farmlands of the Imperium.
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What we need to make are some of them Hellfire Treants. :V
 
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