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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
[X] Approach Lady Mallery first, as an ally and one who knows much of the Lannisters' activities, and why she is very, very astute for thinking ill of the Lannisters' intent and should be alarmed that they are anywhere near her kin, since they shouldn't be trusted with their own kin, let alone the sons and daughters of other noble Houses.
-[X] Using divination, your native grasp of human psychology and advice from your mother on how to make this approach. Once we have gotten her firmly informed on the absolute worst case scenarios--with the best case being the Lannisters having a hostage and offer little of actual value to House Mallery in truth beyond the promise of violence--their son is likely now a prisoner in his own body thanks to the careless actions of Lord Mallery... or was it?
-[X] If they're not above binding noble scions of prominent Crownlander Houses--and you know Tywin isn't beyond binding his own Lords for certain--what stops them from enchanting a Lord into selling his children into slavery with a smile on his face and thanking them for the privilege?
--[X] Send Varys to keep watch on Lord Mallery and if necessary ensure his safety. Give her another Sending Stone and Teleport charm in case of emergency.
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If we're going to use Divination anyway can we do a casual check on Lord and Junior Mallery.

We can do a lot more if Lannister fuckery is confirmed.

[X] Crake

For those of you who want to infiltrate Casterly Rock we are finishing Umbral Spies this month.

A full half dozen* near undetectable, as in more undetectable than us under full buffs, living shadows to bind themselves to VIPs.

@Goldfish can you confirm crafting numbers? Please and thank you.
 
Related to people talking smack about Viserys, apparently at some point I think @DragonParadox mentioned that people don't mock Viserys lightly anymore. More and more when people get drunk and start talking about Viserys, there's a hint of hysteric fear behind every bit of false bravado that it makes insults shaky upon the tongue.

I like to imagine the majority of people, not the High Lords and their advisors, mind you, just the Knights, well-to-do Gentry, etc. try to avoid talking about him instead.

The major players probably say "Viserys Targaryen" more than some insult because at this point it is hard to take someone calling him "cut-throat king" or "King of Thieves" seriously. The man has an army, is known as the Dread Sorcerer Extraordinaire, and conquered nearly as much as Aegon the First ever did, starting with even less. Which is saying something, since Aegon pulled off a pretty audacious invasion himself.
 
Crake said:
Related to people talking smack about Viserys, apparently at some point I think @DragonParadox mentioned that people don't mock Viserys lightly anymore. More and more when people get drunk and start talking about Viserys, there's a hint of hysteric fear behind every bit of false bravado that it makes insults shaky upon the tongue.

I like to imagine the majority of people, not the High Lords and their advisors, mind you, just the Knights, well-to-do Gentry, etc. try to avoid talking about him instead.

The major players probably say "Viserys Targaryen" more than some insult because at this point it is hard to take someone calling him "cut-throat king" or "King of Thieves" seriously. The man has an army, is known as the Dread Sorcerer Extraordinaire, and conquered nearly as much as Aegon the First ever did, starting with even less. Which is saying something, since Aegon pulled off a pretty audacious invasion himself.
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I wonder how many people know that Balerion the Black Dread is our mount now. He's hard not to notice. @DragonParadox, shouldn't that have made it into a rumors post?
 
Good News @Everyone!

Sorcerer's Deep has officially broken through to over 100,000 in population!

It's now currently one fifth the population of King's Landing (and definitely larger in scope since we don't squeeze people in together like sardines).

It's really shaping up to be a proper capital!

In a year it will definitely be worthy of the title.
 
Duesal said:
I wonder how many people know that Balerion the Black Dread is our mount now. He's hard not to notice. @DragonParadox, shouldn't that have made it into a rumors post?
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"So you're telling me that the Dragon is using the Black. Dragon. Of. Fucking. Legend. As a mount."

"He's also risen more dragons to his cause."

"And we have, what, again?"

"A secondborn newly awakened druid?"

"Get the hell out of my office. "
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
"So you're telling me that the Dragon is using the Black. Dragon. Of. Fucking. Legend. As a mount."

"He's also risen more dragons to his cause."

"And we have, what, again?"

"A secondborn newly awakened druid?"

"Get the hell out of my office. "
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He's more like a family pet, really.

Now Rhaenys' Balerion. That is a motherfucker you should watch out for.
 
[X] Crake

I think we should mess with the Lannisters directly while we're in Westeros. Just letting an enemy run around and prepare us asking them to accomplish something.

Honestly, I'd prefer to just have an arcanum shoot Tywin from a kilometer away so that we can watch Cersei eat the rest of them alive.

Subtle is probably better though at this point. Unfortunately. :V

Maybe some sort of multi vector false flag operation? Getting Tywin to lash out and look irrational might be the best way to cause the Lannisters as a whole grief.
 
BronzeTongue said:
[X] Crake

I think we should mess with the Lannisters directly while we're in Westeros. Just letting an enemy run around and prepare us asking them to accomplish something.

Honestly, I'd prefer to just have an arcanum shoot Tywin from a kilometer away so that we can watch Cersei eat the rest of them alive.

Subtle is probably better though at this point. Unfortunately. :V

Maybe some sort of multi vector false flag operation? Getting Tywin to lash out and look irrational might be the best way to cause the Lannisters as a whole grief.
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There are plenty of ways for us to communicate with Tywin Lannister that is completely private and leaves no evidence but his memories.

Tywin Lannister is not a man to let others lightly into his thoughts so there is ample opportunity to mess with him if inclined.
 
I still think our best bet for kicking off the invasion will be to have Bloodraven stop protecting Robert from Cersei, then after events take their course we drop the incest bombshell and invade 'to restore order to the chaos'. Somewhere in there will be removing Littlefinger and pulling Tywin into King's Landing.
 
Absylon Quilby said:
I still think our best bet for kicking off the invasion will be to have Bloodraven stop protecting Robert from Cersei, then after events take their course we drop the incest bombshell and invade 'to restore order to the chaos'. Somewhere in there will be removing Littlefinger and pulling Tywin into King's Landing.
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When we have our next meeting with Bloodraven I'm going to vote to ask him how often Cersei and Jaime would have been caught together if it weren't for him covering for them. I bet there have already been dozens of incidents.
 
Duesal said:
When we have our next meeting with Bloodraven I'm going to vote to ask him how often Cersei and Jaime would have been caught together if it weren't for him covering for them. I bet there have already been dozens of incidents.
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It's not just their trysts that he has to take care of, truly that can be handled by just making it a matter of course that there are always arrangements made to shield them from prying eyes when they're feeling a bit amorous, or maybe to just make one of them busy enough subtly that they don't seek out the other for comfort.

What is really a pain in the ass is the increasingly more harebrained assassination attempts on Robert that he has to deflect or make stillborn through future-manipulation that won't ping on common divination, or else make sure that their other stupid schemes don't snowball out of proportion or do anything to overly harm our operations through sheer incompetence that demands a heavy response, like another attempt to set SD on fire, or something similarly audaciously 'brilliant'.
 
Crake said:
It's not just their trysts that he has to take care of, truly that can be handled by just making it a matter of course that there are always arrangements made to shield them from prying eyes when they're feeling a bit amorous, or maybe to just make one of them busy enough subtly that they don't seek out the other for comfort.

What is really a pain in the ass is the increasingly more harebrained assassination attempts on Robert that he has to deflect or make stillborn through future-manipulation that won't ping on common divination, or else make sure that their other stupid schemes don't snowball out of proportion or do anything to overly harm our operations through sheer incompetence that demands a heavy response, like another attempt to set SD on fire, or something similarly audaciously 'brilliant'.
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I think just being herself was enough to hamper our opperations more than anything else. Imagine the shit that Bloodraven could have done if he didn't need to split his attention to those morons?
 
Why would you think it took compulsion to take the mage away to be trained properly?

We have been doing that for years by now and the vast majority of people agree to let us train their children.
It's much more likely Lanna used AoN and VotD and then started pushing with the same arguments we always use.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Why would you think it took compulsion to take the mage away to be trained properly?

We have been doing that for years by now and the vast majority of people agree to let us train their children.
It's much more likely Lanna used AoN and VotD and then started pushing with the same arguments we always use.
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It doesn't really matter if it's the truth though, so long as this narrative is sold to everyone else.

We too can use slander against our enemies, you know. Except it's easier to do that with Tywin since even his allies hate and fear him.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Why would you think it took compulsion to take the mage away to be trained properly?

We have been doing that for years by now and the vast majority of people agree to let us train their children.
It's much more likely Lanna used AoN and VotD and then started pushing with the same arguments we always use.
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Honestly at this point you'd think most folks with mage kids would be thinking "huh, I could send him to the lions for political clout, or I can keep them home and use my resources to train them to better protect my lands without having such messy things as conflicting loyalties. Might not be as good as the Lions' school, but their loyalty will begin and end with me so that's a price I'm willing to pay."

It's one thing to send your kids away for school, it's another to send them into an indoctrination camp, which most foster situations in the middle ages tended to be if only slightly nicer.

Also not to toot our horn here, but we're on the rise. Hard. So shacking up with our enemies is probably looking like a less impressive prospect with each passing year/rumor.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Why would you think it took compulsion to take the mage away to be trained properly?

We have been doing that for years by now and the vast majority of people agree to let us train their children.
It's much more likely Lanna used AoN and VotD and then started pushing with the same arguments we always use.
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I don't recall us fostering anyone who's family wasn't already on board with our plans.

Sometimes they came on board in the same discussion but this family was very recently in conflict with the same party that took the son. Such conflict that the vague details of which are being repeated in the pub.

Nobody has had such negative reactions with us that the staff have found out and then sent their kids to SD.

Something stinks and while it's not necessarily compulsion it sure ain't roses.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Why would you think it took compulsion to take the mage away to be trained properly?

We have been doing that for years by now and the vast majority of people agree to let us train their children.
It's much more likely Lanna used AoN and VotD and then started pushing with the same arguments we always use.
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Missing the political, social and religious components. Let me break this down a bit better for y'all.

1) House Mallery was formerly of the "Jon Arryn" political faction, which is as close as it gets to the "Faith" faction without full-on throwing your wealth and influence toward the High Septon as it gets while still being aligned with the King.
2) Lord Mallery at best might not have meant shoving his son at them out of malice, but if it was simply to hide him away from court, keeping him at home or fucking around with deer and rabbits in the backwoods would be quieter than sending him off with the infamous Witch of the West.
3) This gains House Mallery nothing. They were formerly aligned in the Moderate faction because it's hard to support the impious behavior of Robert, nor the ruthlessness of the Lannisters. It places a hostage in the hands of the untrustworthy, who will happily slaughter their kid if they decide suddenly Tywin's heavy-handed "I'm the real King around here and I berate/push my weight around in other Kingdoms entirely" BS is too much to stomach. This isn't canon Crownlands. It's hard for Robert to maintain his local well of support with ostensibly the gold of Tywin, the political clout of Jon Arryn and the 'implicit' STAB team-up waiting to crush any dissent. There's a strong Targ claimant way earlier and lots of visible fires that Robert had little to do with putting out, and the fires that did get put out was by the wildly unpopular in the area Tywin, who even in Aerys' day was never loved in the region. The full treasury of that reign? Was largely down to aggressive tax policies.
4) These are the guys who weren't inclined to sell-out. A very, very small number of people, what wasn't welded together by Monford because of a combination of opportunism on the other side of the spectrum and murderboners at any rate. The ones who would need a very convincing argument to pledge more than token support, and likely for reasons of desiring stability/peace like Jon, or because of their Faith outlook. And, hate to break it, but the only recourse Tywin has is bloody slogging war, seeing as how Viserys seems content to blob up in the East and use soft influence, prestige, and fat stacks of cash to convince people to flip.
5) We could probably teach the kid better. That alone is just a petty point out of their favor if it really was just a matter of horse trading.
 
Deliste said:
I don't recall us fostering anyone who's family wasn't already on board with our plans.

Sometimes they came on board in the same discussion but this family was very recently in conflict with the same party that took the son. Such conflict that the vague details of which are being repeated in the pub.
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Asha ?
 
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