If that were true then surely we have already lost, nay, surely we would not even exist.

Because the Gods are not stable and equally matched, Good is losing hard, cannot secure it's soul income and as a result Prime is being encroached upon by negative elements.

But the point is it is encroachment, something you can fight and not an extinction switch flipped.

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Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Sep 13, 2019 at 9:15 PM, finished with 83 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] Questions
    -[X] Do a combination of divinations and commune questions about the various factions operating in the Goblin Market.
    -[X] Is the Hooded Lord aligned against us?
    -[X] Are there agents of the Court of Stars acting against us in the Goblin Market?
    -[X] Are there agents of Ymeri acting against us in the Goblin Market?
    -[X] Are there fiends acting against us in the Goblin Market?
    -[X] Do a divination to find the identity of the person who gave the spindle to the Temple of R'hllor in Lys.
    -[X] Once the above are answered, narrow down all leads until we have a solid idea of who is pulling the strings here.
    -[X] Ask if the spindle is a relic of R'hllor in some fashion.
    --[X] Followup question, ask if it is the Fey Token to the Goblin Market that you're hunting.
 
Actual tally, @DragonParadox.

Same plan, just way more votes.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Sep 14, 2019 at 5:58 AM, finished with 124 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Questions
    -[X] Do a combination of divinations and commune questions about the various factions operating in the Goblin Market.
    -[X] Is the Hooded Lord aligned against us?
    -[X] Are there agents of the Court of Stars acting against us in the Goblin Market?
    -[X] Are there agents of Ymeri acting against us in the Goblin Market?
    -[X] Are there fiends acting against us in the Goblin Market?
    -[X] Do a divination to find the identity of the person who gave the spindle to the Temple of R'hllor in Lys.
    -[X] Once the above are answered, narrow down all leads until we have a solid idea of who is pulling the strings here.
    -[X] Ask if the spindle is a relic of R'hllor in some fashion.
    --[X] Followup question, ask if it is the Fey Token to the Goblin Market that you're hunting.
 
I like this. Id prefer more... transparency? In the divine thing? At least for ley people. I don't think honesty requires being involved in a contract though, and many people have reasons to... lie? Could we make gods lying to their followers illegal? Would that even be possible?
it doesn't quite address your point, but Yss and the Old Gods are pretty much incapable of lying where it counts. We might need laws for the other guys, but the pamphlet we made about gods just before sacrificing Tor should handle making things clear for those two.

Getting into too much detail about how the proverbial sausage gets made might be a bad idea though. If people stop holding the gods in awe they might stop worshipping, and if we don't tell them about the Broken Heaven that could end in people damning themselves.

Worse, we've been spreading knowledge of how the spheres are supposed to work rather than how they look now. Our Scholarum students could reasonably decide to avoid the gods on the presumption they don't need them since good souls already go to Heaven.

Telling people the truth about particular gods is a good idea, but outlining how gods work in general could cause some real shit to go down depending on what else we tell people, and how much we're believed.

We need to pump up the general education level to have this conversation with the populace properly whatever we decide to do, so I think we should focus on that first.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Sep 14, 2019 at 5:58 AM, finished with 124 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Questions
    -[X] Do a combination of divinations and commune questions about the various factions operating in the Goblin Market.
    -[X] Is the Hooded Lord aligned against us?
    -[X] Are there agents of the Court of Stars acting against us in the Goblin Market?
    -[X] Are there agents of Ymeri acting against us in the Goblin Market?
    -[X] Are there fiends acting against us in the Goblin Market?
    -[X] Do a divination to find the identity of the person who gave the spindle to the Temple of R'hllor in Lys.
    -[X] Once the above are answered, narrow down all leads until we have a solid idea of who is pulling the strings here.
    -[X] Ask if the spindle is a relic of R'hllor in some fashion.
    --[X] Followup question, ask if it is the Fey Token to the Goblin Market that you're hunting.
 
Part MMMLXI: A Spindle's Story
A Spindle's Story

Twenty-Sixth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

When you reach Lys, Haldon eyes Melisandre warily, as though he might see through some veil or disguise, a fact of which she finds ever so slightly amusing to judge from the shadow of a smile upon her lips as she bows to the Flame Keeper, her ruby pendant swaying and winking like a tiny crimson eye whether by candle light or some hint of inner radiance. "Bring me this spindle that I might know its worth." Her voice is soft, but you do not mistake it for a request and neither does Haldon.

The last of the lost treasures of the Goblin Market is a thing of flowing gold and half-glimpsed shapes filled with a light that does not reveal but veils like a image seen in rippling water. To eyes that see the threads of sorcery it is brighter still but no more clear. A subtle desire to hold it, to possess it, comes over you almost too faint to be called enchantment... almost. You wonder how strongly Lys' last archon was ensnared by it.


"No gift of the Lord of Light this, but the trickery of petty spirits," the priestess proclaims, eyes closed, her inner gaze upon some distant sight. "The one called the Hooded Lord did not mean for this to happen. He is not knowing your foe, King Viserys, though he might yet be as dawn turns to noon and noon turns to dusk. No Fiends are there where Goblins walk, no spirits clad in tainted brass. Yet servants of the false flame Ymeri and others crowned in fading starlight, all those dance under witch moon and false sun." Her eyes open with a weary sigh, hands going to her temples. "It was like trying to catch fireflies through the evening mist in Braavos... something was veiling my sight."

"You know Braavos, my lady?" you ask curiously. You can't imagine someone well traveled to not have at least passed through the city once or twice, but the expression is not so common in the Secret City that one would catch it upon a sailor's lips in passing.

"I know most places one would think to visit and many that one should probably avoid." She gives a shake of her head as though to dispel some memory your words had conjured. "Come, we must speak to the bones of the dead widow to learn of her lying visitation. There are bones are there not, Holy One?" she asks, turning to Haldon, her imperious tone a contrast with her words.

"Aemie has been burned in accordance to her will," the priest replied. "Is it truly necessary to trouble the dead?"

"The dead are at peace in the halls of the Lord of Light where no sorrow dwells," Melisandre replies, her expression softening somewhat. "It is the living who are yet troubled by the evidence of the crude vestment of flesh those souls no longer need. I'm going to need some time to restore the bones so that we may hear her tale..."

"No need, I can use wishcraft," you interject, making a mental note to ask her how she would have restored the ashes when time is less pressing.

"Ah... good." The priestess seems as surprised as she is pleased, perhaps still not wholly accustomed to counting on others' magics bar her own.

The four of you walk in silence to the reliquary below the temple to find the urn set at a place of high honor by Haldon with the old woman's passing. There is likely more gold encasing it than she had seen in all her life as a slave... and all of it for some hollow lie, some Fey plot. Willing the anger away with the skill of long practice you summon the ashes forth and bid them to speak, for the miracle she had witnessed and the light she had seen.

"I saw the garden... bright flowers under the summer sun... and the sun spoke..." the voice beyond death replies.

"What garden? What sun?" you press.

"The garden from when I was a girl and could still see. It was just like I remembered it, but the Lord of Light was there and he said to me that I did not deserve to have my old bones in the cold and darkness, my hands picking at dirty threads. I would spin gold..."

"So we are dealing with something that can both see her memories and spin false dreams into her waking mind," you muse. "A skilled mage if it was not some great spirit." You only just keep yourself from saying god, more for Haldon and Thorros' sake than Melisandre's. She is deep in thought herself.

"To project such a vision a mage would need to be close at hand while a mighty Fey Spirit would need some token or other connection. It might be worth investigating the place this all began."

"She used to work for Yorvik the tailor on Swan Street," Haldon interjected. "The man has a habit of sweeping up the desperate and starving to do work for him for a few bowls of gruel before tossing them back out into the street."

What do you do next?

[] Return to the Goblin Market and try to follow up on the rumors
-[] Write in

[] Go the the tailor shop to see if you can learn something more about Aemie's visitation.

[] Write in


OOC: You guys did not specifically say to use Speak with the Dead but there was a question about the one who brought the spindle to the temple and that was the old blind slave, now dead. I took the next logical step so we could have a more substantive vote.
 
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A Spindle's Story

Twenty-Sixth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

When you reach Lys, Haldon still eyes Melisandre warily, as though he might see through some veil or disguise, a fact which she finds ever so slightly amusing to judge from the shadow of a smile upon her lips as she bows to the Flame Keeper, her ruby pendant swaying and winking like a tiny crimson eye, whether by candle light or some hint of inner radiance. "Bring me this spindle that I might know its worth," her voice is soft, but you do not mistake it for a request and neither does Haldon.

The last of the lost treasures of the fey is a thing of flowing gold and half glimpsed shapes filled with a light that does not reveal but rather veils like an image seen in rippling water. To eyes that see the threads of sorcery, it is brighter still but no more clear. A subtle desire to hold it, to possess it comes over you almost too faint to be called enchantment... almost. You wonder how strongly Lys' last archon was ensnared by it.


"No gift of the Lord of Light this, but the trickery of petty spirits," the priestess proclaims eyes closed, her inner gaze upon some distant sight. "The one called the Hooded Lord did not mean for this to happen. He is not knowingly your foe, King Viserys, though he might yet be as dawn turns to noon and noon turns to dusk. No fiends are there where goblins walk, no spirits clad in tainted brass. Yet servants of the false flame Ymeri and others crowned in fading starlight, all those dance under witch moon and false sun." Her eyes open with a weary sigh, hands going to her temples. "It was like trying to catch fireflies through evening mist in Braavos... something was veiling my sight."

"You know Braavos my lady?" you ask curiously. You can't imagine someone well traveled to not have at least passed through the city once or twice, but the expression is not so common in the Secret City that one would catch it upon sailor's lips in passing.

"I know most places one would think to visit and many that one should probably avoid," she shakes her head as though to dispel some memory your words had conjured. "Come, we must speak to the bones of the dead widow to learn of her lying visitation. There are bones, are there not, Holy One?" she asks turning to Haldon, her imperious tone a contrast with her words.

"Aemie has been burned in accordance to her will," the priest replied. "Is it truly necessary to trouble the dead?"

"The dead are at peace in the Halls of the Lord of light where no sorrow dwells," Melisandre replies, her expression softening somewhat. "It is the living who are yet troubled by the evidence of the crude vestment of flesh those souls no longer need. I'm going to need some time to restore the bones so that we may hear her tale..."

"No need, I can use wishcraft," you interject, making a mental note to ask her how she would have restored the ashes when time is less pressing.

"Ah... good." The priestess seems as surprised as she is pleased, perhaps still not wholly accustomed to others' magics bar her own.

The four of you walk in silence to the reliquary below the temple to find the urn set at a place of high honor by Haldon with the old woman's passing. There is likely more gold encasing it than she had seen in all her life as a slave... and all of it for some hollow lie, some fey plot. Willing the anger away with the skill of long practice, you summon the ashes forth and bid them speak, for the miracle she had witnessed and the light she had seen.

"I saw the garden... bright flowers under the summer sun... and the sun spoke..." The voice beyond death replies.

"What garden? What sun?" you press.

"The garden from when I was a girl and could still see. It was just like I remembered it, but the Lord of Light was there and he said to me that I did not deserve to have my old bones in the cold and darkness, my hands picking at dirty threads. I would spin gold..."

"So we are dealing with something that can both see her memories and spin false dreams into her waking mind," you muse. "A skilled mage, if it was not some great spirit," you only just keep yourself from saying god, more for Haldon and Thorros' sake than Melisandre's. She is deep in thought herself.

"To project such a vision, a mage would need to be close at hand while a mighty fey spirit would need some token or other connection. It might be worth investigating the place this all began."

"She used to work for Yorvik the Tailor on Swan Street," Haldon interjected. "The man has a habit of sweeping up the desperate and starving to do work for him for a few bowls of gruel before tossing them back out into the street."

What do you do next?

[] Return to the Goblin Market and try to follow up on the rumors
-[] Write in

[] Go the the tailor shop see if you can learn something more about Aemie's visitation.

[] Write in


OOC: You guys did not specifically say to use speak with dead but there was a question about the one who brought the spindle to the temple and that was the old blind slave,. now dead. I took the next logical step so we can have a more substantive vote. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, @DragonParadox.
 
Yet servants of the false flame Ymeri and others crowned in fading starlight all those dance under witch moon and false sun.
Oh, Ymeri and the Court of Stars. Fantastic.

@DragonParadox, how do we hunt down fey in the Feywild? Will our strong desires help us narratively?

Also, assuming that Haldon gives us the spindle once Melisandre confirms that it's Fey in origin and not a relic of R'hllor, we have all three now. We are the rightful masters of the Goblin Market in all respects, right?

But before that, a few loose threads. This is probably one of Ymeri's servants in disguise.

[X] Go the the tailor shop see if you can learn something more about Aemie's visitation.
 
This lead is too good to pass up. It's also a pretty obvious point of failure for the plot, so I'm expecting trouble shortly.

[X] Go the the tailor shop see if you can learn something more about Aemie's visitation.
 
[X] Duesal
If CoS overplay their hand here, we might just get ourselves a clause for extermination.
:drevil:

The bastard surely used deniable assets - but the act alone shows that we are highly unlikely to ever be at peace.

Ah, but alas, too soon for me to guess, not enough information in all regards...
 
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The best part about all this is that the Court of Stars and Ymeri have now directly angered some of the most powerful people in Lys -- the R'hllorites.

They will be a fantastic buffer against Fey meddling going forward.
 
Malaris is still assigned to this task, isn't he?
What is he doing right now? We might want to send him somewhere.

Who else is still assigned?
 
I second Duesal's statement. By the end of this I want someone's body in the cloak.
You know in any other circumstances this statement would probably cause a lot of people to, at least, raise an eyebrow. Here though it just draws a chuckle. Also will we be seeing elves and dwarfs showing up anytime soon. I only ask because we know that there are Drow so would that not infer that there are other elves out there. Which in turn leads to the question of will we be seeing things like Orcs showing up, or are they just to far east of us to matter at the moment?
 
[X] Go the the tailor shop see if you can learn something more about Aemie's visitation.
-[X] Give Malaris a heads up about what you have found so far.
 
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