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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Abhishek M said:
I know but given the fact we now know most souls end up as either monster food or sacrifice fodder...really stretches belief a bit that every old soul we call up has somehow survived. I mean seriously what Celestials are left are trying to protect what souls they can from Oblivion and Fiends. You telling me they succeeded everytime it was a soul we care about? Or that any sould that went through that to somehow make it to some remnant of Elyseum or other would be fine going back to risk it again?

The whole fail chance based on the souls consent really should be something in a setting where the general fate of souls is monster chow.
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It's not most souls, just some of them. 'Some' is still too many, of course, but there is still a difference.

We haven't Resurrected many old souls, though. Most, if not all of them, were Seven worshipers at that point, so they would have been safer than most.

There have been others in different circumstances, though. Lady Saenena's children for example, one of them had her soul snagged by an Astral Dreadnaught and the other hand hung on as a Ghost for centuries.

EDIT: Of course, those who worshiped no gods were an exception and only had a Bad End to look forward to.
 
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DragonParadox said:
I do not think he is, @tarrangar like the rest of us is working his way around the implications of the system and we all came to roughly the same conclusion, that there must be a prince to throwing bodies in the forge
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Only for when there's not already a price to dying, when resurrected with lesser Resurrection spells you lose a level, that energy has to be going somewhere, ruling that it's this energy the Fungus Forge consume makes sense.
Abhishek M said:
I know but given the fact we now know most souls end up as either monster food or sacrifice fodder...really stretches belief a bit that every old soul we call up has somehow survived. I mean seriously what Celestials are left are trying to protect what souls they can from Oblivion and Fiends. You telling me they succeeded everytime it was a soul we care about? Or that any sould that went through that to somehow make it to some remnant of Elyseum or other would be fine going back to risk it again?

The whole fail chance based on the souls consent really should be something in a setting where the general fate of souls is monster chow.
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Resurrection magic is powerful, people who go to the Lower Planes can still be resurrected, even if their soul was eaten by a demon in the meantime, there are fates you can meet in the afterlife that prevent resurrection, but the standard Lower planes bad ends don't qualify.

Resurrection will reassemble the chewed pieces of your soul, and erase the memories of your suffering, if you were sent to the Abyss, and eaten by a random demon.
Duesal said:
And given that there is a tangible price I am baffled and against the desire to start tossing the corpses of people we care about to the forge.
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There is a price only when you use True Resurrections, so when we resurrect someone with a lower level of resurrection magic, we might as well toss the rest of their corpse in the Fungus Forge.

So basically it's for if we have a vassal, we think it's better to let them lose a level, than spend the extra money to use True Resurrection.
Shwaggy said:
I think I'd prefer if we just couldn't do the forge+revive thing at all. Put a price on it and I suspect people will expend a lot of time and energy trying to cheese around it.
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Problem with that is, that the lore for the Fungus Forge has at all times been, that it don't do anything to the soul, and to stop resurrections of all the things we feed to it, it would have to do something to souls.
 
There are many opinions and " the tfixes" in the thread right now.
They are shit opinions.

Let's just all agree not to do it, because if we try there will be Consequences(tm) and DP will be unhappy.

Everyone fine with that?
 
Nickan said:
[X] Crake

Was Jon Arryn killed yet, time-wise? If so, might be best to use something like 'the usurper's schemes' instead - to not have sour reactions among the most devout by speaking ill of the dead.
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Also Jon Arryn very publicly exiled us. Half of that was crow being force-fed to Braavos to make them look like a mere supplicant before the Iron Throne moved only by coin. If the exile had been through intermediaries and Jon's hands had been completely off it, that's one thing, but the entire situation revolved around Arryn basically treating the Sealord like his whipping boy, and a public exile is typically a shameful affair in most cases... shaming the very same person who also semi-publicly slew all the monsters before the Westerosi made him go away. Who also kindly set up a magic institution to offer some semblance of protection even as he was forced to pack his bags.

Or at least that's the public optics that Viserys and Ferrego ensured got out of their meeting beforehand.

And all that beside, it's not even speaking ill of him. He's our enemy. He leveraged trade links to force the Sealord into doing something he didn't want to do. No one with two brain cells to rub together believed it stuck more than a month after Viserys had taken control of the Narrow Sea and Braavos almost singularly benefited from the lack of piracy plaguing them out of all the Free Cities for months, enjoying quite a huge advantage compared to their rivals.

You reap what you sow.
 
Crake said:
Also Jon Arryn very publicly exiled us. Half of that was crow being force-fed to Braavos to make them look like a mere supplicant before the Iron Throne moved only by coin. If the exile had been through intermediaries and Jon's hands had been completely off it, that's one thing, but the entire situation revolved around Arryn basically treating the Sealord like his whipping boy, and a public exile is typically a shameful affair in most cases... shaming the very same person who also semi-publicly slew all the monsters before the Westerosi made him go away. Who also kindly set up a magic institution to offer some semblance of protection even as he was forced to pack his bags.

Or at least that's the public optics that Viserys and Ferrego ensured got out of their meeting beforehand.

And all that beside, it's not even speaking ill of him. He's our enemy. He leveraged trade links to force the Sealord into doing something he didn't want to do. No one with two brain cells to rub together believed it stuck more than a month after Viserys had taken control of the Narrow Sea and Braavos almost singularly benefited from the lack of piracy plaguing them out of all the Free Cities for months, enjoying quite a huge advantage compared to their rivals.

You reap what you sow.
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I dearly want to stand before him before he dies, and ask him what he thinks now of the letter he sent to the Sealord.

"Doesn't seem so smart now, does it?"
 
[X] Swearing in of Braavos Mk. 2, Electric Boogaloo.
-[X] Full social spells will be in use, of course and Clarion Call for maximum presence. Broadcast the swearing in across the Imperium using MirrorVision.
-[X] Welcome Braavos into the Imperium. It was our first true home, far more so than the palace of the Red Keep which we were forced to flee as children, and we will be forever grateful to the city and it's people for helping to shape us, to nurturing us when we were vulnerable, and accepting us when magic returned to the world.
-[X] "In all honesty, it feels like I had never left home. Jon Arryn's threadbare exile could not lock Braavos away from my heart any more than it could bar my passage. With that in mind, and in heartfelt thanks to the city that sheltered me in uncommon times and left me with some of the most pleasant memories of my quite eventful life, I would like to announce the construction of a novel and new quarter, to better tie the city to the greater realm upon which it has been joined to."
-[X] "It is the least of the works I have in mind for it, much like other territories to follow, but I hope it does not diminish in your sight the sincere gratitude to the citizens living here upon which it is meant. Let to them the spoils of this grand triumph of ours go, for I need of them naught."
-[X] "Look forward to the times ahead of us, standing in the light of day, hand-in-hand, for a brighter future."

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Crake said:
[X] Swearing in of Braavos Mk. 2, Electric Boogaloo.
-[X] Full social spells will be in use, of course and Clarion Call for maximum presence. Broadcast the swearing in across the Imperium using MirrorVision.
-[X] Welcome Braavos into the Imperium. It was our first true home, far more so than the palace of the Red Keep which we were forced to flee as children, and we will be forever grateful to the city and it's people for helping to shape us, to nurturing us when we were vulnerable, and accepting us when magic returned to the world.
-[X] "In all honesty it feels like I had never left home. Jon Arryn's threadbare exile could not lock Braavos away from my heart any more than it could bar my passage. With that in mind, and in heartfelt thanks to the city that sheltered me in uncommon times and left me with some of the most pleasant memories of my quite eventful life, I would like to announce the construction of a novel and new quarter to better tie the city to the greater realm upon which it has joined to."
-[X] "It is the least of the works I have in mind for it, much like the others to follow, but I hope it does not diminish in your sight the sincere gratitude to the citizens living here upon which it is meant. Let to them the spoils of this grand triumph of ours go, for I need of them naught."
-[X] "Look forward to the days ahead, standing in the light of day hand-in-hand for a brighter future."

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This is going to be fucking awesome on MirrorVision.

Actually, I think seeing the swearing in via MirrorVision from the POV of someone in another city would be pretty cool. Maybe Davos Seaworth while doing business in Myr?
 
Goldfish said:
This is going to be fucking awesome on MirrorVision.

Actually, I think seeing the swearing in via MirrorVision from the POV of someone in another city would be pretty cool. Maybe Davos Seaworth while doing business in Myr?
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Or maybe Lanna. She has teleport and spies and divination. Knowing a speech was coming would be pretty trivial for her.
 
Goldfish said:
[X] Plan Ship in a Bottle
-[X] Viserys will Blood Wish a Fabricate spell to make a small diamond bottle reinforced and decorated with Mithral and Adamantine.
--[X] Working in unison, Viserys and Lya will simultaneously cast a Smoky Confinement spell on the Bull/Ship using Mythic Power to full their Wild Arcana ability. If necessary, they will spent an additional uses of Mythic Power to render their spells Potent.
-[X] Not only is the bottle easier to transport, but it also serves to keep the Bull in stasis until we can more properly deal with it's unusual condition.
-[X] Arrange containment of the Adamantine Golem with the Shaitan, if they are willing to do so. We will, of course, pay for the service, along with the cost to care for and guard the prisoners until we can properly deal with them.
-[X] Once everyone is out of the Plane of Fire and all spoils of war have been salvaged, send Viserys, Tyene, and Dany to recruit as many of the prisoners of war as possible.
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This vote may have already gone through but we can actually store the Golem very easily ourselves, it can't sunder it's chains so all we need is to deny it leverage.

Like say attaching the chain to a Suspended slab of stone.
 
Deliste said:
This vote may have already gone through but we can actually store the Golem very easily ourselves, it can't sunder it's chains so all we need is to deny it leverage.

Like say attaching the chain to a Suspended slab of stone.
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Yeah, the vote is already done and it's currently in storage with the Shaitan.

Keeping it contained was never really an issue for us, but the possibility of it having hidden commands or functions, such as remote control or a tracking beacon, were a real concern. We didn't have time to check it more thoroughly.

We'll take care of it soon.
 
Goldfish said:
Yeah, the vote is already done and it's currently in storage with the Shaitan.

Keeping it contained was never really an issue for us, but the possibility of it having hidden commands or functions, such as remote control or a tracking beacon, were a real concern. We didn't have time to check it more thoroughly.

We'll take care of it soon.
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Do you think we can figure out how to work that immunity to Apparent Master into our own golems? I hope Anu and Lya can figure that out with relative ease.
 
Duesal said:
Do you think we can figure out how to work that immunity to Apparent Master into our own golems? I hope Anu and Lya can figure that out with relative ease.
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Depends on how the immunity is achieved. It might be something as simple as a Spell Immunity item attached somewhere on its armor, or it could be as complex as a process involved in its creation.
 
Goldfish said:
Depends on how the immunity is achieved. It might be something as simple as a Spell Immunity item attached somewhere on its armor, or it could be as complex as a process involved in its creation.
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Fair. Speaking of how to deal with the construct, in the future when we have the time to devote proper attention to it, I really like the idea of awakening it and diplomancing it as a proper vassal. That could be a hell of a force multiplier for us if we pull it off properly.
 
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