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The ideal Eretrian woman is stately in her disposition, a mother of fine sons, a steward of the household, and can be known by her frequent blushing and distinctive expression "Ara, ara."
Magna Graecia: Titanomachia (A City State Quest)
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The ideal Eretrian woman is stately in her disposition, a mother of fine sons, a steward of the household, and can be known by her frequent blushing and distinctive expression "Ara, ara."
Droman
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In fairness, the Greeks were way too into divine incest, which unfortunately makes any pantheon plays slightly difficult to plot.
At least the Romans had the good mind to not write any stories about their gods, leaving them free of such creepy entanglements as the Greeks promoted.
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Cetashwayo
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After giving them their part.
I mean, they might be, but it's a bit of a waste to double down on this small group of islands when there are much better locations in the region. One of the advantages of the Venetian lagoon is that the estuarine islands are very fertile and can sustain the population of a new colony for a long time before the mainland is necessary.
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This is doubly amusing because it will annoy the fuck out of the already-extant Neapolis just south of Kymai, which serves them right for making a deal with the Oscans.
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Deadly Snark
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I want to be even more clear. Exiling Ireanos would risk fucking shattering the Eretria social contract into pieces
@Erandil you argue we follow the example of Herodion and the Exoria. And I want to be perfectly clear on this. Herodion qnd the founding exorians started the tradition by voluntarily going away. While the rest were exiled for threatening our Democracy by bringing weapons into the assembly. Which looking back with the Kerkyra piece was a dangerous situation that could have endes in purges.
And what Ireanos did wasn't nearly so grave. So exiling him would cheapen the bonds of citizenship.
And of course. There is also the fact that it shits on the spirit of the tradition of Herodion. Has Cetash pointed out. One of the reasons our democracy is so stable is because our politicians can lose horribly. Get outplayed and utterly humiliated by their opponents and still be allowed to walk away and withdraw themselves to better themselves and wait for an opportunity. We don't punish them, we don't exile them, we just let them be.
As a result our politicians are willing to step back and suffer humiliating defeats rather than fight to the bitter end. Including with force.
But if we exile Ireanos who lost in politics and has already done what is expected, ie: resigned. We are fucking that system. Because now suddenly humiliating political defeats are existential threats now. The Antipatrids and Exorians won't stand for it. And I bet you that they definitely inherited Antipater and Herodion's fears of a Drako based oligarchy.
Not to mention risk turning Ireanos into potentially our Alcibiades since Syracuse is right there
@Erandil you argue we follow the example of Herodion and the Exoria. And I want to be perfectly clear on this. Herodion qnd the founding exorians started the tradition by voluntarily going away. While the rest were exiled for threatening our Democracy by bringing weapons into the assembly. Which looking back with the Kerkyra piece was a dangerous situation that could have endes in purges.
And what Ireanos did wasn't nearly so grave. So exiling him would cheapen the bonds of citizenship.
And of course. There is also the fact that it shits on the spirit of the tradition of Herodion. Has Cetash pointed out. One of the reasons our democracy is so stable is because our politicians can lose horribly. Get outplayed and utterly humiliated by their opponents and still be allowed to walk away and withdraw themselves to better themselves and wait for an opportunity. We don't punish them, we don't exile them, we just let them be.
As a result our politicians are willing to step back and suffer humiliating defeats rather than fight to the bitter end. Including with force.
But if we exile Ireanos who lost in politics and has already done what is expected, ie: resigned. We are fucking that system. Because now suddenly humiliating political defeats are existential threats now. The Antipatrids and Exorians won't stand for it. And I bet you that they definitely inherited Antipater and Herodion's fears of a Drako based oligarchy.
Not to mention risk turning Ireanos into potentially our Alcibiades since Syracuse is right there
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No, thats only viable IN THE FUTURE!I nearly suggested "Neaneapolis" but decided against it
INB4 Eretria ends up furthering Greek mathematics to include topology and the extension of Euclidean geometry into n-dimensional spaces, just so that we can make accurate diagrams to try and track all of the shipping going on.
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If, in a thousand years, students of history have to remember which Naples is the one on the lagoon, versus the one by the volcano, versus the one by the volcano on Mars, then and only then will we have done our jobs
Droman
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Kymai the Northern? Or perhaps Kymai the Eastern?
I point you to the Phoenicians of Africa, so lazy that they name a New City twice.
Cetashwayo
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And I point you to the Romans under Scipio, who after seizing the Spanish Carthage, called it "Carthago Nova", which would mean in Carthaginian, New New City.
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Eurosian Kymai, Kymai of the Eastern Wind
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Article: Neapoli or Neapolis (Greek: Νεάπολη; Ancient Greek: Νεάπολις; 'new town') may refer to:
GeographyEdit
In India:
In Greece:
- New Town, Kolkata, a planned city on the north-eastern fringes of Kolkata, the capital of West Bengal
In Italy:
- Neapoli, Thessaloniki, a suburb and former municipality of the Thessaloniki Urban Area
- Neapoli-Sykies, a municipality of the Thessaloniki Urban Area
- Neapoli, Aetolia-Acarnania, a municipality in central Aetolia-Acarnania
- Neapoli, Elis, found east of the municipality of Vouprasías
- Neapoli, Kavala, a subdivision of Kavala
- Neapoli, Kozani, a town and a municipality in the prefecture of Kozani
- Neapoli, Lesbos, found on the island of Lesbos
- Neapoli Voion, the main town in the municipality of Voies, Laconia
- Neapoli, Crete, municipality in Lasithi, Crete
- Neapoli, Athens, neighbourhood on the northwestern foot of the Lycabettus
- Neapoli Zarouchleikon, neighbourhood in the city of Patras, Achaia, Greece.
- Neapolis (Chalcidice), an ancient city on the Pallene isthmus, Chalcidice
- Neapolis (Thrace), ancient city of Macedonia, the Neapolis of Acts 16:11 in the Bible, near Neapoli, Kavala
In Turkey:
- The original Greek name of Naples, Italy
- Neapolis (Apulia), an ancient city in Apulia, Italy
- Neapolis (Sardinia), an ancient city the ruins of which are found in the comune of Guspini, Province of Medio Campidano, Sardinia, Italy
In other countries:
- Aurelia Neapolis, an ancient town in Caria, a region of Asia Minor in modern-day Turkey
- Neapolis (Bosphorus), an ancient town on the Bosphorus, in modern-day Turkey
- Neapolis (Caria), an ancient town in Caria, a region of Asia Minor in modern-day Turkey
- Neapolis (Ionia), an ancient town in Ionia, a region of Asia Minor in modern-day Turkey
- Neapolis (Pisidia), an ancient town in Pisidia, a region of Asia Minor in modern-day Turkey
- Neapolis (Thracian Chersonese), Greek colony in modern Turkey
- The old name of Limassol (Lemesos), Cyprus; used in the Byzantine period
- Neapoli, Nicosia, a suburb of Nicosia, Cyprus
- Neapolis or Flavia Neapolis, ancient name of Nablus, West Bank
- Neapolis (Colchis), town of ancient Colchis, in the Caucasus
- Nabeul, Tunisia, originally Neapolis
- Scythian Neapolis, Scythian town in modern Ukraine
- Neapolis, Alberta, a locality in Mountain View County, Alberta, Canada
- Neapolis, Ohio, an unincorporated municipality in Providence Township, Lucas County, Ohio
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I'd let the Kymians select the name of their city.
Meanwhile my previous remarks about the ideal Eretrian woman neglected the minority but strongly expressed opinion in favor of lithe, athletic young women; short of hair, exceedingly modest of bosom, and sharp of tongue who bear a completely coincidental but uncanny resemblance to their brothers.
Meanwhile my previous remarks about the ideal Eretrian woman neglected the minority but strongly expressed opinion in favor of lithe, athletic young women; short of hair, exceedingly modest of bosom, and sharp of tongue who bear a completely coincidental but uncanny resemblance to their brothers.
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What's the Greek word for 'better'? Instead of calling it the New City, call it the Better City.
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I'd say Ireanos stepped out the established Eretrian tradition, that we are brutal and implacable opponents in war, particularly when provoked, but equitable and fair in peace.
The only occasions where we have conducted executions of the helpless were in cases of outright treachery and murder by our slaves, that I can recall.
That makes Romans more boring though.
Me: I want to exile the guy because he went against tradition, laws and basic rules of behaviour and encouraging others to follow him.
You: You can't exile a guy for being the loser in a political debate and/or military/campaign.
Please explain to me how you go from my point to yours...
And I am willing to bet good money that the political crisis you so desperately want to avoid will happen precisely because we will let viewpoints such as his germinate in our military and political elite.
Deadly Snark
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And that's why he got owned by Linos yes. What he did was wrong even if its stepped in our bloody past. But he still went too far just as Eusebios went too far with the sacking of Brenton.
But it doesn't change the fact that the roots do exist. This is an opportunity to examine said roots.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Maybe you didn't notice the fact that what he did explicitly isn't against "tradition, laws and basic rules of behaviour" because otherwise the whole damn thing wouldn't have--
Shit, I'm all in favor of the "Linean Ideal", as it were, but you're talking about burning down one of our best mechanisms for ensuring social stability all to do nothing, because the thing you're scaremongering against isn't "growing" in Eretria, it's been there from the start.
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Woo! Finally back from vacation!
[X] [Colony] Pharos. The excellent natural harbor at Pharos would make it a fine place for a central Adriatic port, even if it has a larger indigenous population. [-40 talents of grain and construction costs, 600 colonists found Pharos, -100 pop from Eretria, 400 colonists found Issa, -50 pop from Eretria].
[X] [Lykai] Settle them in the new Illyrian colonies [+600 settlers in primary Illyrian colony, +200 in second Illyrian colony].
[X] [Kymai] We must save the city! [Begins the Kymai Rescue Quest Chain. -1 foreign mission for each Demos in the next election. Demes will put aside any complicated or military expeditions until the next election cycle].
I always thought that those islands in Croatia might have made for a nice urban center. I'm glad that, in this timeline, such a thing may come to pass. Of course, if we're picking Pharos, we should settle the Lykai there to counteract Pharos's larger indigenous population. I also think we have our hands full with the Enetoi and Sicily, so we can't really afford to rescue Kymai.
[X] [Colony] Pharos. The excellent natural harbor at Pharos would make it a fine place for a central Adriatic port, even if it has a larger indigenous population. [-40 talents of grain and construction costs, 600 colonists found Pharos, -100 pop from Eretria, 400 colonists found Issa, -50 pop from Eretria].
[X] [Lykai] Settle them in the new Illyrian colonies [+600 settlers in primary Illyrian colony, +200 in second Illyrian colony].
[X] [Kymai] We must save the city! [Begins the Kymai Rescue Quest Chain. -1 foreign mission for each Demos in the next election. Demes will put aside any complicated or military expeditions until the next election cycle].
I always thought that those islands in Croatia might have made for a nice urban center. I'm glad that, in this timeline, such a thing may come to pass. Of course, if we're picking Pharos, we should settle the Lykai there to counteract Pharos's larger indigenous population. I also think we have our hands full with the Enetoi and Sicily, so we can't really afford to rescue Kymai.
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Sicily has officially stopped being a problem for a while, and... why would our hands be full with the Enetoi?