Magna Graecia: Titanomachia (A City State Quest)

butchock said:

Do we stock up on grain? Maybe during times of good harvest we can give a small percentage to the malnourished. By the way, Do we only give free food during festivals and holidays? Can we tie this up to a religion then? Is there a greek god of charity?

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Festivals are the only opportunity in which most are given meat and free food. You do stock up on grain but that's for sieges, and although there is some redistribution, especially through the festivals or by citizens being lucky enough to have their lot drawn for a public office, most of the time citizens are on their own. In a famine grain might be distributed, and there isn't a lot of starvation, but people are malnourished among the poorer and the metics.

Sivantic said:

...you do realize that we are still in the classical era right?

Only land-owning men over 30, born of parents who are both citizens are allowed to vote.

We are a long way from universal voting rights. I am just glad we are celebrating one at all.

While that is a satisfying image, it is only one woman that receives the treatment, and I find it likely that it goes as well as winning the lottery :/

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Eretria has universal male citizen suffrage for all adult citizen men above 18.

inawarminister said:

You mean by standing on a rock, surely? The old, hallowed, noble Eretrian tradition of lithocracy!

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"As I recall..."

Simon_Jester said:

"Nay, my friend! To address the assembly you stand upon a rock, but to vote, you must throw a rock!"

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"This is correct, albeit in a humorous fashion. To cast a vote in the boule, one must cast a stone in the appropriate vas corresponding to their chosen option. These stones are marked with a '[X]', which certifies that the stone corresponds to a citizen's vote. This also prevents any 'additional' stones from being counted."

Cetashwayo said:

A very intentional theming.

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This gives me some idea on how a possible Eretrian version of Zeus and Hera's relationship could play out.

You know, if this goes on, we need to build a temple to Eros in his capacity as god of Shipping.

butchock said:

Do we stock up on grain? Maybe during times of good harvest we can give a small percentage to the malnourished. By the way, Do we only give free food during festivals and holidays? Can we tie this up to a religion then? Is there a greek god of charity?

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[GRANARY MANAGEMENT INTENSIFIES]

[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.

[X] [Spring] The Return of Persephone. Favored by many married women, the return of Persephone is a re-enaction of the drama of Persephone's departure from Hades. Having been married happily to Hades for six months of the year, for in this interpretation she is not kidnapped but seduced away from her domineering mother, the young Persephone must say goodbye to her beloved husband and lord of the underworld. Persephone is presented here as a traditional woman, but also an icon of femininity, beloved by many women in Eretria for giving them someone to look up to. Embued in mystery and icons of the dead, the Return of Persephone is a festival that celebrates the transition from winter to spring and from death to life, the birth of new children, and draws heavily from the Eleusinian mysteries near Athenai, that famed mystery cult.

[X] [Winter] The Ascendency of Zeus Olympios. A monumental festival that celebrates the military victory of Zeus Olympios of the titans and the end of the titanomachia, the war against them. The ascendency has become increasingly popular in Eretria due to the influence of her olympic contestants who have been so shaken by the recently completed statue of Zeus at Olympia that have returned to their faith more vigorous than ever. The true supreme God of the Hellenes, Zeus deserves to be celebrated with vym and vigor in a military and civic parade. During the Ascendency, there is a battle among those representing the titans and olympians, with brawling and wooden swords, and a competition involving a ball which represents control of the heavens between two teams.

[X] [Honors] The city has no masters except the Gods, none to worship except those in the heavens. To elevate men to such a degree threatens the rise of tyrants.

Nevermind the religion angle to feed malnourished children, there is no exact greek god of kindness and charity, the closest one is Eleos, the goddess of mercy and clemency and the Charites who are more godesses of fertility and creativity. Now, i finally see why Jesus was a game-changer.

butchock said:

Nevermind the religion angle to feed malnourished children, there is no exact greek god of kindness and charity, the closest one is Eleos, the goddess of mercy and clemency and the Charites who are more godesses of fertility and creativity. Now, i finally see why Jesus was a game-changer.

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While there was an official public dole during the late Roman Republic and Roman Empire, and some democratic greek cities had very radical distribution schemes in the 4th century BCE, the kind of model of Christian charity is, well, very Christian.

Cetashwayo said:

While there was an official public dole during the late Roman Republic and Roman Empire, and some democratic greek cities had very radical distribution schemes in the 4th century BCE, the kind of model of Christian charity is, well, very Christian.

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How radical are these schemes and what are their drawbacks? IC, can such radical distribution schemes from the other greek cities be adopted in Eritrea?

butchock said:

How radical are these schemes and what are their drawbacks? IC, can such radical distribution schemes from the other greek cities be adopted in Eritrea?

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Athenai was continually giving out massive cash rewards to its citizens during the mid-4th century BCE when it was flooded with trading money. It was thus effectively running a regular welfare system for its citzens. But obviously this is expensive and requires big windfalls as well as the reality that Athenai was no longer an imperial power that needed to maintain a large navy.

Cetashwayo said:

Athenai was continually giving out massive cash rewards to its citizens during the mid-4th century BCE when it was flooded with trading money. It was thus effectively running a regular welfare system for its citzens. But obviously this is expensive and requires big windfalls as well as the reality that Athenai was no longer an imperial power that needed to maintain a large navy.

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Ahhh... alright, so the best way is to make sure that our city will become so rich, that we can dole out for a feeding program. Out of the 3 demes, which group has the most humanitarian ideology?

butchock said:

Ahhh... alright, so the best way is to make sure that our city will become so rich, that we can dole out for a feeding program. Out of the 3 demes, which group has the most humanitarian ideology?

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I...don't think it's possible to give an answer in those terms. None.

@Cetashwayo Quick question regarding the neutrality clause of our treaty with Taras. IF there is something resembling the Peace of Nicias in our future, would that void the neutrality clause? Would the conflict flaring up after that reinstate the requirement for neutrality?

[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.

[X] [Spring] The Courting of Ploutos. A more humorous and commercially oriented women's festival, the courting of Ploutos tells the story of Ploutos' attempts to flee from the bounds of marriage and love in favor of commerce. Celebrated in Eretria as the source of the city's trade wealth, Ploutos is surprisingly popular among widows and wealthy women because of this particular tale's affirmation of the importance of women to wealth. After fleeing from every potential mate, Aphrodite grows incredibly frustrated and crafts Nomisnia, a demigoddess who is good at creating wealth as Ploutos; the two immediately become competitors, further frustrating her. Finally, at last, Hermes intervenes, and convinces the two that they would have double the wealth if they were married, and at last the two accept, finding love in mutual success at business. The festival is celebrated through a dramatic re-enactment, dances between lovers, and a literal shower of drachmas given to the poorest women of the city.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.

I missed most of the discussion, however large parts of the currently winning vote suit me just fine.

Cetashwayo said:

I...don't think it's possible to give an answer in those terms. None.

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Ahhh... still, thanks for answering my questions. I just love all of these little tidbits. It just makes the city more alive in my mind. Like every character is real and everyone has hopes and dreams. That I can imagine, in a nearby household by the Gate of the Weasels, a young mother dies in childbirth yet as her family grieves her passing, her newborn son cries strongly and loudly to the delight of her kin.

butchock said:

Ahhh... still, thanks for answering my questions. I just love all of these little tidbits. It just makes the city more alive in my mind. Like every character is real and everyone has hopes and dreams. That I can imagine, in a nearby household by the Gate of the Weasels, a young mother dies in childbirth yet as her family grieves her passing, her newborn son cries strongly and loudly to the delight of her kin.

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That is part of the intention, especially spelling out the different festivals, cultural practices, even the geography of the city itself. I want to make the city feel as alive as possible to compensate for the gap in time and cultural space between the world of Eretria Eskhata and our own.

Spacegnom said:

@Cetashwayo Quick question regarding the neutrality clause of our treaty with Taras. IF there is something resembling the Peace of Nicias in our future, would that void the neutrality clause? Would the conflict flaring up after that reinstate the requirement for neutrality?

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That would be up for discussion and interpretation by the proxenoi. Since the two cities will now be in lasting contact with one another, the xenoparakletor can simply speak to the Tarentine proxenos and discuss what a specific peace or ceasefire means for those terms.

Cetashwayo said:

That is part of the intention, especially spelling out the different festivals, cultural practices, even the geography of the city itself. I want to make the city feel as alive as possible to compensate for the gap in time and cultural space between the world of Eretria Eskhata and our own.



That would be up for discussion and interpretation by the proxenoi. Since the two cities will now be in lasting contact with one another, the xenoparakletor can simply speak to the Tarentine proxenos and discuss what a specific peace or ceasefire means for those terms.

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Yup! You did an amazing job in world-building! That's why i no longer follow other civilization quests except for this. In any case, how much uproar would it cause if one of the demes or a public official decided that a small percentage of the received tariffs from trade would be given to feed malnourished children so that they can be useful to the city when they grow up?

butchock said:

Yup! That's why i no longer follow other civilization quests except for this. In any case, how much uproar would it cause if one of the demes or a public official decided that a small percentage of the received tariffs from trade would be given to feed malnourished children so that they can be useful to the city when they grow up?

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I just don't think they'd make that connection, and it wouldn't really solve many of the issues with disease. The mortality rate wasn't that much better for the babies of wealthy families. Babies weren't even generally given a name until a week after birth because so many died within that first week; Plutarch suggests that a newborn baby is more plant than human, which is uh, thanks for that Plutarch.

Obviously most people still cared for infants even at that stage, but there was a general acceptance of the reality. You're not really going to be able to raise mortality rates here, period. If welfare does emerge it's not going to be to raise birth rates, the causes of which Hellenes don't really fully grasp, but because of a combination of enough revenue and the demands of the enfranchised citizen poor.

Sivantic said:

...you do realize that we are still in the classical era right?

Only land-owning men over 30, born of parents who are both citizens are allowed to vote.

We are a long way from universal voting rights. I am just glad we are celebrating one at all.

While that is a satisfying image, it is only one woman that receives the treatment, and I find it likely that it goes as well as winning the lottery :/

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Ooc: Basically, that's Heliodoros going 'Yeah, I don't really know a lot about these womanly festivals for women, but the drachma thing sounds nice.' Giving women any kind of voting is not a thing that would have come even close to consideration.

[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Courting of Ploutos. A more humorous and commercially oriented women's festival, the courting of Ploutos tells the story of Ploutos' attempts to flee from the bounds of marriage and love in favor of commerce. Celebrated in Eretria as the source of the city's trade wealth, Ploutos is surprisingly popular among widows and wealthy women because of this particular tale's affirmation of the importance of women to wealth. After fleeing from every potential mate, Aphrodite grows incredibly frustrated and crafts Nomisnia, a demigoddess who is good at creating wealth as Ploutos; the two immediately become competitors, further frustrating her. Finally, at last, Hermes intervenes, and convinces the two that they would have double the wealth if they were married, and at last the two accept, finding love in mutual success at business. The festival is celebrated through a dramatic re-enactment, dances between lovers, and a literal shower of drachmas given to the poorest women of the city.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.

Kleon arrives to the ekklesia after symposium with people of campanian and etrurian connections. They were mourning the loss of opportunity of safer routes and also the loss a man and wealth there. What happened with dear Tita? And Mamarce? They probably safe in Capeva - for now. But Xenon is probably slain with the other hoplites of Kymai...

"Respected citizens! I came before you with a heart filled with sadness and grief! Our own family is in grave danger, under siege in Kymai and bleeding by the day. I teared my khiton when I heard the news of loss of their hoplites, the fall of the etruscan cities and the ravagings of the sheperds. We are making friends with regard of military might, only to alienate older ones and lose the chance to rule the waves around Italia and Epulia. Now Rhegion is waiting for the destruction of Kymai instead of helping us to reach them. Our trade won't be safer and I weep for the missed opportunity. I also hope that Krotone will be a worthy replacement for that.

But this is not our only concern. Athenai the mighty is closer and closer every day. We need to be careful on the Adria to maintain our leading position. We have to work with the locals to crush the pirates before the Athenians think of the same and steal our waters.

At least the Tarentine mission found peace. A peace wich is helping Thurii, and give us 800 desperate and potentially disloyal citizens but a peace nonetheless. We need to take it to concentrate on other, more pressing issues.

I found comfort only in our new calendar and the near completion of the Hill. In times like this we need to honour the gods in the proper way. We need to honour our women with a respectful festival and our polis is already in league with Poseidon, so respecting him will bring us great fortune, I think.

Concerning the honors, I see no harm if we show our gratitude to people who did great service to the city.

But forgive me citizens, I am too shaken with the news to speak any longer."


[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Return of Persephone. Favored by many married women, the return of Persephone is a re-enaction of the drama of Persephone's departure from Hades. Having been married happily to Hades for six months of the year, for in this interpretation she is not kidnapped but seduced away from her domineering mother, the young Persephone must say goodbye to her beloved husband and lord of the underworld. Persephone is presented here as a traditional woman, but also an icon of femininity, beloved by many women in Eretria for giving them someone to look up to. Embued in mystery and icons of the dead, the Return of Persephone is a festival that celebrates the transition from winter to spring and from death to life, the birth of new children, and draws heavily from the Eleusinian mysteries near Athenai, that famed mystery cult.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.

OOC: too much happened to comment on everything, I love the religious calendar. Also, I started to make some minor characters for my backstory, if acceptable. Tita and Mamarce are etruscan sibling, Mamarce a trading partner of Kleon, Tita is... something more. Xenon is a friend and partner of his, Arranging the flow of the pottery from Kymai.

[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Return of Persephone. Favored by many married women, the return of Persephone is a re-enaction of the drama of Persephone's departure from Hades. Having been married happily to Hades for six months of the year, for in this interpretation she is not kidnapped but seduced away from her domineering mother, the young Persephone must say goodbye to her beloved husband and lord of the underworld. Persephone is presented here as a traditional woman, but also an icon of femininity, beloved by many women in Eretria for giving them someone to look up to. Embued in mystery and icons of the dead, the Return of Persephone is a festival that celebrates the transition from winter to spring and from death to life, the birth of new children, and draws heavily from the Eleusinian mysteries near Athenai, that famed mystery cult.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.

[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Courting of Ploutos. A more humorous and commercially oriented women's festival, the courting of Ploutos tells the story of Ploutos' attempts to flee from the bounds of marriage and love in favor of commerce. Celebrated in Eretria as the source of the city's trade wealth, Ploutos is surprisingly popular among widows and wealthy women because of this particular tale's affirmation of the importance of women to wealth. After fleeing from every potential mate, Aphrodite grows incredibly frustrated and crafts Nomisnia, a demigoddess who is good at creating wealth as Ploutos; the two immediately become competitors, further frustrating her. Finally, at last, Hermes intervenes, and convinces the two that they would have double the wealth if they were married, and at last the two accept, finding love in mutual success at business. The festival is celebrated through a dramatic re-enactment, dances between lovers, and a literal shower of drachmas given to the poorest women of the city.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.
[X] [Honors] The city has no masters except the Gods, none to worship except those in the heavens. To elevate men to such a degree threatens the rise of tyrants.

[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Return of Persephone. Favored by many married women, the return of Persephone is a re-enaction of the drama of Persephone's departure from Hades. Having been married happily to Hades for six months of the year, for in this interpretation she is not kidnapped but seduced away from her domineering mother, the young Persephone must say goodbye to her beloved husband and lord of the underworld. Persephone is presented here as a traditional woman, but also an icon of femininity, beloved by many women in Eretria for giving them someone to look up to. Embued in mystery and icons of the dead, the Return of Persephone is a festival that celebrates the transition from winter to spring and from death to life, the birth of new children, and draws heavily from the Eleusinian mysteries near Athenai, that famed mystery cult.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.

[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Courting of Ploutos. A more humorous and commercially oriented women's festival, the courting of Ploutos tells the story of Ploutos' attempts to flee from the bounds of marriage and love in favor of commerce. Celebrated in Eretria as the source of the city's trade wealth, Ploutos is surprisingly popular among widows and wealthy women because of this particular tale's affirmation of the importance of women to wealth. After fleeing from every potential mate, Aphrodite grows incredibly frustrated and crafts Nomisnia, a demigoddess who is good at creating wealth as Ploutos; the two immediately become competitors, further frustrating her. Finally, at last, Hermes intervenes, and convinces the two that they would have double the wealth if they were married, and at last the two accept, finding love in mutual success at business. The festival is celebrated through a dramatic re-enactment, dances between lovers, and a literal shower of drachmas given to the poorest women of the city.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.

[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Return of Persephone. Favored by many married women, the return of Persephone is a re-enaction of the drama of Persephone's departure from Hades. Having been married happily to Hades for six months of the year, for in this interpretation she is not kidnapped but seduced away from her domineering mother, the young Persephone must say goodbye to her beloved husband and lord of the underworld. Persephone is presented here as a traditional woman, but also an icon of femininity, beloved by many women in Eretria for giving them someone to look up to. Embued in mystery and icons of the dead, the Return of Persephone is a festival that celebrates the transition from winter to spring and from death to life, the birth of new children, and draws heavily from the Eleusinian mysteries near Athenai, that famed mystery cult.

[x] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.

[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.