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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TalonofAnathrax said:
Fuck the entire Conclave, rewrite an entire month, weep internally
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I will not lie and say the greater retcon would be painless for me, but I would be doing no internal weeping. I would not have put those options up if I were not willing to carry on whichever of them you guys pick. Don't make this vote about my feelings but about what each of you thinks is right of the story.

Noobody77 said:
Then why did you promise not to do this (blunt moral decisions) again after the Syrax Dream vote if you had this planned?
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Because I was not expecting this to be blunt and neither was Azel. The plot threads got tangled, the characters came together and we were all back in and uncomfortable place.
 
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Honestly the main reason I want to push through is because this is the first time we've ever gotten any of the Chosen to the table.

Wasn't optimal, wasn't good, and probably fucked a lot of things, but if that's the price of progress fine.

I just want to know what the fuck they're playing at and hopefully get some dialogue going that gets them, if not on our side (because that's apparently impossible as we are and I sure as fuck aren't about to kneel to the inept Seven), then at least pointed towards the threats that mean the end of everything.

If we can rule out at least one group of our enemies then this entire shit show would have been worth it, because frankly? We don't have the time to waste on someone who could be better served alive and doing their own thing in a more positive direction.
 
Noobody77 said:
Then why did you promise not to do this (blunt moral decisions) again after the Syrax Dream vote if you had this planned?
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This was never about "blunt moral decisions", dude.

Normally I don't mind engaging in a conversation with someone and trying to hash out differences of opinion out, but after your repeated bile-filled attacks on DP and Azel, and that's definitely what they were last night, I really don't have the desire to interact with you further. We can have disagreements here, and we can get angry and say unkind things, but there is no room for sheer, thoughtless spite.
 
[X] Ret-con the entire arc since the arrival in Oldtown, the conclave is cancelled due to moves by the high septon you guys need to figure out what do do with Viserys this month
 
Please don't vote to retcon the entire arc, ya'll. We've done a lot of really great stuff this arc, and it's been fun. Taking all that back would hurt.

We stomped a Tiamat Cult base, shat upon the Deep Ones, made friendly contact with the Lantern Bearers organization and introduced them to the joys of god shopping (hey there Merling King), met a cool Archmaester who we will definitely be using as an important contact in the future, and made friends with Baelor Hightower after rocking his world with some inconvenient truths. Lots of good stuff!

And as much as some of ya'll have disliked the Conclave, it's literally been less then two full days of IC time. And it's basically over at this point. We won't be sticking around for the full seven days. These events leading up to the current confrontation were unfortunate, but they can be a boon to us. We can make contact with the Chosen, hopefully establish an accord with one or more of them, and drop some info in their laps that will maybe cause issues for the Faith. Then we can go on to other things.
 
Goldfish said:
Please don't vote to retcon the entire arc, ya'll. We've done a lot of really great stuff this arc, and it's been fun. Taking all that back would hurt.

We stomped a Tiamat Cult base, shat upon the Deep Ones, made friendly contact with the Lantern Bearers organization and introduced them to the joys of god shopping (hey there Merling King), met a cool Archmaester who we will definitely be using as an important contact in the future, and made friends with Baelor Hightower after rocking his world with some inconvenient truths. Lots of good stuff!

And as much as some of ya'll have disliked the Conclave, it's literally been less then two full days of IC time. And it's basically over at this point. We won't be sticking around for the full seven days. These events leading up to the current confrontation were unfortunate, but they can be a boon to us. We can make contact with the Chosen, hopefully establish an accord with one or more of them, and drop some info in their laps that will maybe cause issues for the Faith. Then we can go on to other things.
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Don't forget the 'caught the most powerful of Tiamat's wizards' bit. Just a little more relevant than stomping their base, imo.
 
Goldfish said:
We stomped a Tiamat Cult base, shat upon the Deep Ones, made friendly contact with the Lantern Bearers organization and introduced them to the joys of god shopping (hey there Merling King), met a cool Archmaester who we will definitely be using as an important contact in the future, and made friends with Baelor Hightower after rocking his world with some inconvenient truths. Lots of good stuff!
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And they all should remain there still.

@DragonParadox, am I correct in assuming that High Septon's interference will come at the "last possible moment" here, and affect just the Conclave itself?


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*sigh*
I don't see the plan for the full retcon winning.
Much as I'd love to have it, I just don't believe in it.
*disheartened, having just seen a glimmer of hope with this*
 
Snowfire said:
Don't forget the 'caught the most powerful of Tiamat's wizards' bit. Just a little more relevant than stomping their base, imo.
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That's right, we still need to skin that guy.

Also should we save his meat for the flesh forge or just dump him in the fungal one?

We're still trying to make Kobolds right or did we change tracks with that?
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
Also should we save his meat for the flesh forge or just dump him in the fungal one?
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Abishai Wizard goes to Yss for making T!Snare.
Greater Intellect Devoured goes to MK for same thing.
It would but make sense to send him to Old Gods...

But we need a perma-death, since otherwise Tiamat will recover power invested in him.
So, to Yss he goes as well.

Evaunit02mark1 said:
We're still trying to make Kobolds right or did we change tracks with that?
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We have a scroll with a recipe, which we can research.

But we need an actual Flesh-Forge for that, ours is fundamentally changed by OGs.
 
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egoo said:
And they all should remain there still.

@DragonParadox, am I correct in assuming that High Septon's interference will come at the "last possible moment" here, and affect just the Conclave itself?


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*sigh*
I don't see the plan for the full retcon winning.
Much as I'd love to have it, I just don't believe in it.
*disheartened, having just seen a glimmer of hope with this*
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I can't make this call on my own so I PM-ed Azel but my natural inclination would be to cut all of it and leave a clean break from the start.
 
DragonParadox said:
I can't make this call on my own so I PM-ed Azel but my natural inclination would be to cut all of it and leave a clean break from the start.
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Oh. See, if you just axed the entire Conclave as thing that happens due to High Septon interference at the last moment, I'd be very tempted to vote for that. That's really where the storytelling actively changed. Axing the entire Oldtown section though, seems a bit much.
 
Snowfire said:
This seems...less than optimal in terms of choice making when two options lead to almost exactly the same result.
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Well, we can hardly ret-con the threads opinions on characters, so there is not much else that can be offered to change the likely resolution of the Conclave except removing the whole thing in a cloud of negative continuity.

Any kind of direct talk between Lucan and Viserys is pretty much doomed to end in a massive salt-fest at this point.
 
Azel said:
Well, we can hardly ret-con the threads opinions on characters, so there is not much else that can be offered to change the likely resolution of the Conclave except removing the whole thing in a cloud of negative continuity.

Any kind of direct talk between Lucan and Viserys is pretty much doomed to end in a massive salt-fest at this point.
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And this leads me towards a vote of nuking the entire Conclave action arc, but absolutely nothing more in regards to Oldtown.

Start over from where the storytelling changed, with an awareness of the new difficulty/realism setting.
 
Azel said:
Any kind of direct talk between Lucan and Viserys is pretty much doomed to end in a massive salt-fest at this point.
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If that's the case I say rip the band-aid off now and be done with it.

If we're going to get stuck in a verbal no holds barred cage match whatever path we take we might as well do it now while our dander's up.
 
Snowfire said:
This...is actually a very relevant questio
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...you are making it sound as if I am never saying relevant or insightful things.
:confused:

*prepares for condescending jokes*

Snowfire said:
Oh. See, if you just axed the entire Conclave as thing that happens due to High Septon interference at the last moment, I'd be very tempted to vote for that. That's really where the storytelling actively changed. Axing the entire Oldtown section though, seems a bit much.
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But yeah, pretty much this.
 
Azel said:
Any kind of direct talk between Lucan and Viserys is pretty much doomed to end in a massive salt-fest at this point
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I want to try it anyway. I have faith that unless the updates portray Viserys internal monologue as ridiculously simpering and apologetic (and I mean really ridiculously so) then calmer votes will win out and salt won't get much worse than it is now.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
That's absolutely not what I voted for, and surely I'm not the only person here who voted for something very different only to see the person they had namevoted totally change their vote without tagging them?
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... If you don't want that to happen, don't namevote. Copy the plan, vote the plan name, but not the author. Because by voting the author you explicitly delegate your vote.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
I want to try it anyway. I have faith that unless the updates portray Viserys internal monologue as ridiculously simpering and apologetic (and I mean really ridiculously so) then calmer votes will win out and salt won't get much worse than it is now.
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The idea was for Lucan to act as a foil to Viserys and, yes, bring forth a moral argumentation against him.
The hope was that this would lead to a chance for the thread to reflect on the matter on it's own terms, without any option to just vote "agree and be more moral". The matter should have been removed from any gains or losses to stand on it's own.

The fear now is though, at least on my side, that half the thread will rage against the moralizing while the other half goes into full stubborn derisive preaching.

Which makes me really apprehensive of continuing.
 
Plan vote when you like the plan as it is.

Name vote when you trust the opinion of the person who made it and will follow them should they be swayed by another argument.

When you name vote you're essentially giving that player your trust. Luckily for me this is the kind of quest that has a lot of people I'm more than happy to trust with my vote because I've been here for years and have quite often seen that trust more than verified.
 
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