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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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[X] Plan All-Round Start

[X] Plan Just the Government

I would like to actually play the quest and not get butt fucked by literally all our enemies at the beginning, so lets be smart about this and start slower and work our way up.
Adhoc vote count started by Bruce-Man on Mar 26, 2019 at 12:50 AM, finished with 4099 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] Plan All the Economy
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Rail Companies
    -[X] Vaccines
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Import/Export
    -[X] Libraries
    [X] Plan All-Round Start
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Good Security
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    [x] Plan Just the Government
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    [X] Plan Entrepot
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Ear To The Ground
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Import Export Professionals
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] Import Export Professionals
    -[X] Hostile Neighborhood
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Russian Attention
    -[X] Technological Conservatism
    -[X] Crossed Wires
    -[X] Foreign Sourced Equipment
    -[X] Old World Hardware
    -[X] Old World Training
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Aerial Reconnaissance
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    -[X] Rail Companies
    [X] Plan Protector of the Midwest
    [X] Plan: Manufacture and Tax
    -[x] Disastrous Start (1 CP)
    -[x] Disunited Currency (3 CP)
    -[x] Population Boom (2 CP)
    -[x] Brown-Water Navy (-2 CP)
    -[x] Established (-2 CP)
    -[x] Efficient Bureaucracy (-3 CP)
    -[x] Libraries (-2 CP)
    -[x] Well-Preserved (-1 CP)
    [x] Plan Go Big or Go Home
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[x] Nuke
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    [X] Plan Everyone Loves Riding the L
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Good Reputation
    -[X] Good Security
    -[X] Victorian Sympathizers
    -[X] Rail Companies
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Libraries
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[X] Plan All-Round Start

It's a reliable start which doesn't take potentially crippling disadvantages, 'nuff said.
 
Derpmind said:
[X] Plan All-Round Start
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Established
-[X] Good Security
-[X] Libraries
-[X] Population Boom
-[X] Disastrous Start

[X] Plan All the Economy
-[X] Brown Water Navy
-[X] Disastrous Start
-[X] The Greatest Sin
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Rail Companies
-[X] Vaccines
-[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
-[X] Population Boom
-[X] Disunited Currency
-[X] Import/Export
-[X] Libraries

[X] Plan Entrepot
-[X] Brown Water Navy
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Ear To The Ground
-[X] Libraries
-[X] Population Boom
-[X] Import/Export Professionals

[X] Plan Just the Government
-[X] Disastrous Start
-[X] Established
-[X] Efficient Bureaucracy


There is now zero chance the winning plan isn't one you included in your post. Especially since you "helpfully" included the meme vote, giving it all the legitimacy it'll ever need. I'm giving that one 50/50 odds to win against all the others combined. Baka.
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I've seen bigger upsets many times while running quests. You want something different, argue for it and argue well.
 
[X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World

Meme vote, because meme vote. Also I would love to see us attempt to survive this shit. I'm sure Poptart would have fun with it.

[X] Plan All-Round Start

The serious vote, because I like the attempt at being well rounded.

[X] Plan Security, Established, and Economy

Runner up vote.
 
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Annoyingly there are literally no surviving plans with adequate military for the problems they set up, so I can't even approval vote in good conscience. Thus, paring down my vote in the hopes of getting some more people who focus economy.


[X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
-[X]Libraries
-[X]Independant Merchants
-[X]Widespread Vaccinations
-[X]Brown Water Navy
-[X]Foreign-Sourced Equipment
-[X]Population Boom
-[X]Victorian Sympathizers
-[X]Disastrous Start
-[X]Compromised

Gives us a poor intel situation, but a strong economy, buffs to knowledge base, and a military that can actually keep us alive without unduly crippling us. We can survive the short term, and the only really annoying long term problem is victorian sympathizers, where thankfully we have a huge supermajority in government.
 
[X]Securing a better Tommorow V3

I like it. Revising my vote.

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[X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
This is my promised meme vote and nothing else. Now for the serious votes.

[X] Plan Entrepot
This is my preferred option. Trade nation, here we gooooo!

[X] Plan Protector of the Midwest
This is acceptable enough for an approval vote.
Adhoc vote count started by Corripere on Mar 26, 2019 at 1:24 AM, finished with 36 posts and 22 votes.
  • [X] Plan All-Round Start
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Good Security
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    [x] Plan Just the Government
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    [X] Plan Protector of the Midwest
    [X] Plan All the Economy
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Rail Companies
    -[X] Vaccines
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Import/Export
    -[X] Libraries
    [X] Plan Entrepot
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Ear To The Ground
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Import Export Professionals
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] Import Export Professionals
    -[X] Hostile Neighborhood
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Russian Attention
    -[X] Technological Conservatism
    -[X] Crossed Wires
    -[X] Foreign Sourced Equipment
    -[X] Old World Hardware
    -[X] Old World Training
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Aerial Reconnaissance
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    -[X] Rail Companies
    [X] Plan: Manufacture and Tax
    -[x] Disastrous Start (1 CP)
    -[x] Disunited Currency (3 CP)
    -[x] Population Boom (2 CP)
    -[x] Brown-Water Navy (-2 CP)
    -[x] Established (-2 CP)
    -[x] Efficient Bureaucracy (-3 CP)
    -[x] Libraries (-2 CP)
    -[x] Well-Preserved (-1 CP)
    [x] Plan Go Big or Go Home
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[x] Nuke
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    [X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X]Independant Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Foreign Sourced Equipment
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X]Victorian Sympathizers
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X]Compromised
    [X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
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Please reconsider if you are voting for plans without Efficient Bureaucracy and Established.
We are a newborn federation government with lower government and congress/house, which means setting up taxation structure will take ungodly amount of time. Not to mention the head splitting work of figuring out responsibility boundary between federal and lower government. The burden of governance is heavy and we are a Social Democrat and Socialist coalition with emphasis on taking care of the citizens, something that demands large amount of tax dollars upfront and all the time.
 
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Muahahaha! Vote-

[X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World

-For Great Justice!

[X] Plan Protector of the Midwest

Or this looks okay too, I guess.
 
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VoidZero said:
Please reconsider if you are voting for plans without Efficient Bureaucracy and Established.
We are a newborn federation government with lower government and congress/house, which means setting up taxation structure will take ungodly amount of time. Not to mention the head splitting work of figuring out responsibility boundary between federal and lower government. The burden of governance is heavy and we are a Social Democrat and Socialist coalition with emphasis on taking care of the citizens, something that demands large amount of tax dollars upfront and all the time.
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So, you want people to vote for either the plan that you wrote, or Hellfire Burns?
QTesseract said:
Which Victorian SOP are you talking about? They don't have nukes to smuggle in, and other concerns are much less pressing than not getting run over by them.
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Domestic terrorism.
 
The meme plan is literally everything I do not want in a start. I would implore you to vote for anything else.
Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 26, 2019 at 1:21 AM, finished with 34 posts and 22 votes.
  • [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    [X] Plan All-Round Start
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Good Security
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    [x] Plan Just the Government
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    [X] Plan Protector of the Midwest
    [X] Plan All the Economy
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Rail Companies
    -[X] Vaccines
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Import/Export
    -[X] Libraries
    [X] Plan Entrepot
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Ear To The Ground
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Import Export Professionals
    [X] Plan: Manufacture and Tax
    -[x] Disastrous Start (1 CP)
    -[x] Disunited Currency (3 CP)
    -[x] Population Boom (2 CP)
    -[x] Brown-Water Navy (-2 CP)
    -[x] Established (-2 CP)
    -[x] Efficient Bureaucracy (-3 CP)
    -[x] Libraries (-2 CP)
    -[x] Well-Preserved (-1 CP)
    [x] Plan Go Big or Go Home
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[x] Nuke
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    [X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X]Independant Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Foreign Sourced Equipment
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X]Victorian Sympathizers
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X]Compromised
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Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 26, 2019 at 1:32 AM, finished with 39 posts and 23 votes.
  • [X] Plan All-Round Start
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Good Security
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    [x] Plan Just the Government
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    [X] Plan All the Economy
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Rail Companies
    -[X] Vaccines
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Import/Export
    -[X] Libraries
    [X] Plan Protector of the Midwest
    [X] Plan Entrepot
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Ear To The Ground
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Import Export Professionals
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] Import Export Professionals
    -[X] Hostile Neighborhood
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Russian Attention
    -[X] Technological Conservatism
    -[X] Crossed Wires
    -[X] Foreign Sourced Equipment
    -[X] Old World Hardware
    -[X] Old World Training
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Aerial Reconnaissance
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    -[X] Rail Companies
    [X] Plan: Manufacture and Tax
    -[x] Disastrous Start (1 CP)
    -[x] Disunited Currency (3 CP)
    -[x] Population Boom (2 CP)
    -[x] Brown-Water Navy (-2 CP)
    -[x] Established (-2 CP)
    -[x] Efficient Bureaucracy (-3 CP)
    -[x] Libraries (-2 CP)
    -[x] Well-Preserved (-1 CP)
    [x] Plan Go Big or Go Home
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[x] Nuke
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    [X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X]Independant Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Foreign Sourced Equipment
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X]Victorian Sympathizers
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X]Compromised
    [X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
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Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 26, 2019 at 2:32 AM, finished with 48 posts and 28 votes.
  • [X] Plan All-Round Start
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Good Security
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    [x] Plan Just the Government
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    [X] Plan All the Economy
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Rail Companies
    -[X] Vaccines
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Import/Export
    -[X] Libraries
    [X] Plan Protector of the Midwest
    [X] Plan Entrepot
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Ear To The Ground
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Import Export Professionals
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X] Import Export Professionals
    -[X] Hostile Neighborhood
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Russian Attention
    -[X] Technological Conservatism
    -[X] Crossed Wires
    -[X] Foreign Sourced Equipment
    -[X] Old World Hardware
    -[X] Old World Training
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Aerial Reconnaissance
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    -[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
    -[X] Rail Companies
    [X] Plan: Manufacture and Tax
    -[x] Disastrous Start (1 CP)
    -[x] Disunited Currency (3 CP)
    -[x] Population Boom (2 CP)
    -[x] Brown-Water Navy (-2 CP)
    -[x] Established (-2 CP)
    -[x] Efficient Bureaucracy (-3 CP)
    -[x] Libraries (-2 CP)
    -[x] Well-Preserved (-1 CP)
    [x] Plan Go Big or Go Home
    -[X] The Greatest Sin
    -[X] Disunited Currency
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[x] Nuke
    -[X] Established
    -[X] Independent Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    [X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
    -[X] Libraries
    -[X]Independant Merchants
    -[X] Widespread Vaccinations
    -[X] Brown-Water Navy
    -[X] Foreign Sourced Equipment
    -[X] Population Boom
    -[X]Victorian Sympathizers
    -[X] Disastrous Start
    -[X]Compromised
    [X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
    [X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World
    [X] Plan Bare Necessities
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Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 26, 2019 at 10:30 AM, finished with 99 posts and 62 votes.
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Ganurath said:
So, you want people to vote for either the plan that you wrote, or Hellfire Burns?

Domestic terrorism.
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They can't rely on that for taking out revivalist states. It might hurt if they go for it and pull it off, but they're nearly at the end of their tether regardless and the domestic ferrorism they can project this far is going to be similarly weakened, but without the overwhelming power of victoria's Military.
 
VoidZero said:
You sure? That can't be right, people do want full power government right?
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Check it. The plans aren't literally the ones we made, they're an attempt to condense them down into a smaller amount of vote possibilities. Inevitably this will mean that some important parts of the wider vote spread will be missing, although whether you consider that to be the universally inadequate militaries or the lack of full power government votes depends on
perspective, I imagine.
 
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