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[][IDEALS] Socialist: Having come to refer to a specific political movement rather than an entire branch of ideology, modern socialism is focused on giving the state the power to care for all citizens, and claims that the modern Social Democrat platform does not go far enough in pursuit of this. It also calls for a massive investment into healthcare in order to revitalize the field and make sure that there are enough medical professionals to go around (long-term, they want free healthcare, but there needs to be enough of it first). They also grant unions extensive privileges over private employers. They are fervently in favor of democratized workplaces, and openly campaign in favor of granting them special concessions.

[][CRUSH] Some of the central tenets of the founding government's ideology are written into foundational law, making it difficult for even violently opposed successor governments to fully roll them back without immense popular support.

[][POWER] You are a devolved unitary state with subordinate governments formed or dissolved by central governmental decrees according to need

[][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
 
[][IDEALS] New Capitalist:
[][CRUSH] None.
[][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
[][TEXT] The old Constitution had its flaws, but it was a document of many strengths as well. It lasted two and a half centuries. We shall honor that and preserve the original. Our changes will be amendments, as intended, with our population approving them as specified in the text.
 
[x][IDEALS] Social Democrat
[x][CRUSH] Some of the central tenets of the founding government's ideology are written into foundational law, making it difficult for even violently opposed successor governments to fully roll them back without immense popular support.
[x][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
[x][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
sounds like the fairest deal around to me.
 
[][IDEALS] Socialist: Having come to refer to a specific political movement rather than an entire branch of ideology, modern socialism is focused on giving the state the power to care for all citizens, and claims that the modern Social Democrat platform does not go far enough in pursuit of this. It also calls for a massive investment into healthcare in order to revitalize the field and make sure that there are enough medical professionals to go around (long-term, they want free healthcare, but there needs to be enough of it first). They also grant unions extensive privileges over private employers. They are fervently in favor of democratized workplaces, and openly campaign in favor of granting them special concessions.

[][CRUSH] Some of the central tenets of the founding government's ideology are written into foundational law, making it difficult for even violently opposed successor governments to fully roll them back without immense popular support.

[][POWER] You are a devolved unitary state with subordinate governments formed or dissolved by central governmental decrees according to need

[][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
[][IDEALS] New Capitalist:
[][CRUSH] None.
[][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
[][TEXT] The old Constitution had its flaws, but it was a document of many strengths as well. It lasted two and a half centuries. We shall honor that and preserve the original. Our changes will be amendments, as intended, with our population approving them as specified in the text.
Don't make my mistake. The moratorium is still up.
Adhoc vote count started by Ceslas on Mar 14, 2019 at 5:38 PM, finished with 142 posts and 2 votes.

  • [X][IDEALS] New Capitalist: Aims to restore the old system with badly-needed revisions to address some of the obvious flaws. Among other things, it mandates a living minimum wage tied to government-collected measures, writes into foundational law the de-personhood of anybody who is not, in fact, an actual person, and institutes broad protections for employees against their employers (protected right to unionize, protections for whistleblowers, pension laws for companies, etc.). The New Capitalists do not give a single shit about democratized workplaces, positively or negatively, as long as they pay their taxes.
    [X][CRUSH] None. This is a democracy. If your ideology cannot make its case to the people in practice, it deserves to fail.
    [X][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
    [X][TEXT] The old Constitution had its flaws, but it was a document of many strengths as well. It lasted two and a half centuries. We shall honor that and preserve the original. Our changes will be amendments, as intended, with our population approving them as specified in the text.
    [x][IDEALS] Social Democrat
    [x][CRUSH] Some of the central tenets of the founding government's ideology are written into foundational law, making it difficult for even violently opposed successor governments to fully roll them back without immense popular support.
    [X][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
    [x][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
 
I'm, by and large, in favor of taking the moderate or radical option on the consitution; I'm mostly opposed to just reusing it as is.

I'm also in favor returning to the decentralized federal state.

Economically, I am in favor of either socialist or social democrat.

I'm wavering on dissent; I'm mostly opposed to censorship, but reinforcing our ideals via constiution/law might help prevent Victoria 2: Electric Boogaloo. Depends on what lessons our government/people will have taken.
 
If I were voting now, this is what my ideal would look like:

[][IDEALS] Socialist: Having come to refer to a specific political movement rather than an entire branch of ideology, modern socialism is focused on giving the state the power to care for all citizens, and claims that the modern Social Democrat platform does not go far enough in pursuit of this. It also calls for a massive investment into healthcare in order to revitalize the field and make sure that there are enough medical professionals to go around (long-term, they want free healthcare, but there needs to be enough of it first). They also grant unions extensive privileges over private employers. They are fervently in favor of democratized workplaces, and openly campaign in favor of granting them special concessions.

[][CRUSH] Some of the central tenets of the founding government's ideology are written into foundational law, making it difficult for even violently opposed successor governments to fully roll them back without immense popular support.

[][POWER] You are a decentralized federal state somewhat akin to the early United States.

[][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
 
What is the dominant economic ideology of your first government? Bear in mind that these are the ideologies as they exist in Victoria Falls, not a true-to-life representation of their aims in modern reality. Decouple your assumptions. The non-dominant ideologies will remain significant and powerful forces in government, but the winner will have a majority government at game start.
I see that you basically made anything non-capitalist a malus. Bravo sir. That will truly make everyone here 'happy'.
 
Let's see.
[ ][IDEALS] New Capitalist
Eh, too risky, what with making it very easy for foreign powers to dominate our economy and pissing of two quite powerful factions.
[ ][IDEALS] Social Democrat
[ ][IDEALS] Socialist
One of these two is probably best, a compromise between the extremes.
[ ][IDEALS] Communist
Tempting, but only for the memes.
[ ][CRUSH] None. This is a democracy. If your ideology cannot make its case to the people in practice, it deserves to fail.
Sounds good in theory. In practice, with Russian meddling, Victoria close-by and literal Nazis running around....
[ ][CRUSH] Some of the central tenets of the founding government's ideology are written into foundational law, making it difficult for even violently opposed successor governments to fully roll them back without immense popular support.
This seems fine.
[ ][CRUSH] The founding government's ideology is explicitly privileged in terms of the representation it receives in government and has several of its aims enshrined in foundational law, rendering it extremely difficult for a challenger to mount more than cosmetic resistance.
Let's not.
[ ][CRUSH] The founding ideology forms a political party, and membership is mandatory for government service. Foundational law is a manifesto of the party's aims.
Only if we go F U L L S O V I E T C O M M U N I S M.
[ ][POWER] You are a centralized unitary state with no subordinate governments.
No, too centralized, pisses off anyone that's not the capital.
[ ][POWER] You are a devolved unitary state with subordinate governments formed or dissolved by central governmental decrees according to need
[ ][POWER] You are a centralized federal state along the lines of the later United States.
One of these two, a decent mix.
[ ][POWER] You are a decentralized federal state somewhat akin to the early United States.
At this point, we're getting a bit too decentralized for me.
[-][POWER] You are a loose confederation along the lines of the all-but-forgotten Articles of Confederation.
HAHAHA, no.
[ ][TEXT] The old Constitution had its flaws, but it was a document of many strengths as well. It lasted two and a half centuries. We shall honor that and preserve the original. Our changes will be amendments, as intended, with our population approving them as specified in the text.
This just seems like such a waste of a good opportunity.
[ ][TEXT] The Constitution serves as a broad guide for the structure of this document, and many legal concepts integral to it carry through, but it is rewritten from the ground up to serve its new situation rather than simply amending it until it fits.
"Follow the spirit of the original, if not the text." I like this.
[ ][TEXT] The Constitution was utterly bereft of any kind of legal, political, or ethical merit and shall be cast into the trash heap of history where it belongs. We shall start anew from a blank slate.
*waggles hand*
 
I'm, by and large, in favor of taking the moderate or radical option on the consitution; I'm mostly opposed to just reusing it as is.

I'm also in favor returning to the decentralized federal state.

Economically, I am in favor of either socialist or social democrat.

I'm wavering on dissent; I'm mostly opposed to censorship, but reinforcing our ideals via constiution/law might help prevent Victoria 2: Electric Boogaloo. Depends on what lessons our government/people will have taken.

I want the radical option for the constitution.

The US Constitution is just a huge tire fire by 21st century standards because it was basically a hasty compromise between a bunch of individual governments that was intended to last maybe 50 years.
 
I want the radical option for the constitution.

The US Constitution is just a huge tire fire by 21st century standards because it was basically a hasty compromise between a bunch of individual governments that was intended to last maybe 50 years.

Fair enough; I know some people are deadset on having Old Constitution or Bust, so I'm searching for a compromise... but yeah, I'm broadly in agreement. It really does need to be reworked for a modernish world.
 
For me I'm going to be a bit more of a moderate, despite my more conservative leanings on certain economic issues.

SocDem: It's a balance between socialism and capitalism. I'm fine with that.

No Tenets/ very few tenants: We are a republic/democracy. We should have to compromise and work together, or we will hang separately. However some basic guiding principles might be needed to have some semblance of unity.

Pre Ww2 stance on government powers if possible, otherwise keep it like it is today.

Close interpretation and new amendments rather then using it as a broad guide, but I can be persuaded otherwise as long as Liberty is maintaied and the rights of the citizens are not forgotten, or downplayed for the government to gain power.
 
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I want the radical option for the constitution.

The US Constitution is just a huge tire fire by 21st century standards because it was basically a hasty compromise between a bunch of individual governments that was intended to last maybe 50 years.

Radical option would, I think, be the most interesting in terms of the story we're gonna tell.
 
Can we at least use "Make America Great Again" and "Freedom" memes unironically, if sparingly?
 
Gonna have to do New Capitalist, the only one where were not telling individual Entrepreneurs that they can get fucked.
Though Social Demo is a good compromise since its not immediately get fucked for businessmen.
 
I dunno. I want to see how workplace democracy shakes out. I would be willing to give then a leg up to try and fight with large foreign corporations.
 
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