He's a Chuuni Champion. Not a rookie.
This is like calling WitchmonArdat a child
Considering Ardat, I could see a strong argument for such honestly.

As being a adult is more than just age and power, it requires maturity and wisdom. An well, those are things no one can really say Ardat ever really had or has now.

Since she still very much feels like a kid/teen in her mindset and actions.
 
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And they have to have a reason. I want to know what it is, and Chackmon is our best source of information.

I like to vote with IC info

This is kinda OOC isn't it? Like Verge doesn't know Vortex or Sephirot all that well, all he knows is that they attacked a Trailmon, a serious offense that pisses everyone off and are currently trying to rip his head off

Heck he saw what they did to Unimon, which is like a big button for Verge, remember Repulsa's 'gift'

[X] Have mercy, he's in pain and won't last much longer. End him yourself
 
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[X] Have mercy, he's in pain and won't last much longer. End him yourself
-[X] Before you strike apologise and wish him a better life in his next.

I see no reason to spare him, our previous opponents whom we spared or tried to fought us with honor and we responded in kind by acting with honor, this cur does not seem to follow our code thus I fail to be moved by his plea.
 
I like to vote with IC info

This is kinda OOC isn't it? Like Verge doesn't know Vortex or Sephirot all that well, all he knows is that they attacked a Trailmon, a serious offense that pisses everyone off and are currently trying to rip his head off

Heck he saw what they did to Unimon, which is like a big button for Verge, remember Repulsa's 'gift'
To be fair, you can't blame a entire faction for the actions of a few. As Verge has always been a very personal guy, you screw with him he deals with you. But at the same token, he is also a bleeding heart at his core and would be entirely happy doing the Gramps thing and just taking care of and watching over babies and rookies as a caretaker.

So since Chackmon has never done him real harm or those he cares about, acts like a child and is pleading for mercy while no longer being able to cause harm. I can easily see his softer nature come in and make him ask himself is what he is doing right?

Especially with him already questioning the thoughts behind his current leadership and his drive to hold up Flame's dream. Since Flame was always one willing to give mercy when possible, even if it could lead to some really messed up results down the road. Because he believed heroes needed to offer such to hold up the ideals of being a hero.
 
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Man ya gotta feel pit for Verge

Ya just know Sparks, Ardat, Pit, Yggdrassil, his own ideals are gonna drag him to the battlefield anyways

I just can't see him ever truly setting down now given Digiworlds tend to be in constant flux



Well at least we already got the music for it
 
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Holy crap. Five pages of discussion guys! I... honestly did not expect this! Thanks everyone! :D
Votes with a lot of contention tend to generate that. especially ones like this.

To be fair, you can't blame a entire faction for the actions of a few. As Verge has always been a very personal guy, you screw with him he deals with you, but at the same token he is also a bleeding heart at his core and would be entirely happy doing the Gramps thing and just taking care of and watching over babies and rookies as a caretaker.

So since Chackmon has never done him real harm or those he cares about, acts like a child and is pleading for mercy while no longer being able to cause harm. I can easily see his softer nature come in and make him ask himself is what he doing right?

Especially with him already questioning the thoughts behind his current leadership and his drive to hold up Flame's dream. Since Flame was always one willing to give mercy when possible, even if it could lead to some really messed up results down the road. Since he believed heroes needed to offer such to hold up the ideals of being a hero.
And yeah, this is pretty much what I was trying to figure out how to post. I just couldn't find a way to phrase it in a way that wouldn't come off as somewhat standoffish and aggressive. I'm not exactly the best as words-ing things.
 
Man ya gotta feel pit for Verge

Ya just know Sparks, Ardat, Pit, Yggdrassil, his own ideals are gonna drag him to the battlefield anyways

I just can't see him ever truly setting down now given Digiworlds tend to be in constant flux



Well at least we already got the music for it

Agreed, the path Verge is on will be one he can never really stop until the day he is deleted.

As when one decides to become or live up to a ideal, only broken dreams or death awaits them at the end with the kind of world he lives in. :(

Still, just because it will end that way, doesn't mean that kind of life isn't worth living or that what is done with such a life won't be something worth doing.

Votes with a lot of contention tend to generate that. especially ones like this.


And yeah, this is pretty much what I was trying to figure out how to post. I just couldn't find a way to phrase it in a way that wouldn't come off as somewhat standoffish and aggressive. I'm not exactly the best as words-ing things.
Glad I could be of help there. :)
 
Considering Ardat, I could see a strong argument for such honestly.

As being a adult is more than just age and power, it requires maturity and wisdom. An well, those are things no one can really say Ardat ever really had or has now.

Since she still very much feels like a kid/teen in her mindset and actions.
Ardat as a Witchmon is irresponsible, egotistical and reckless, but definitely not a child. She doesn't react like someone who doesn't know how things work. She reacts like someone who doesn't care.

And then look at Chackmon. Things he did:
-Ambush with intent to kill. Twice. Even if the second time was baited. The first time nearly did kill Verge.
-Tactical withdrawal when it looks like we can resist at all.
-Is aligned with the faction using torture on the Unimon for intelligence.

Looking cute does not mean you're not an adult. Or the various Gatomon out there would be getting a free pass.

We don't know the full tragic backstory, but the key factors are:
-We do not have the facilities to contain a Snowbear T-1000. Capture means execution, because the Host doesn't really do torture(certainly no Angel or Knight is going to be able to order torture based interrogation unless they were pretty close to Falling)
-Chackmon is a known user of deception based tactics, and we already had Parrotmon pull the same stunt from his faction.
-Sparks is going to terminate Chackmon with potentially sadistic glee for hurting Verge.

Most ethical action is to ensure a clean termination. We're at war.
 
A lovely way to describe selling your soul, one choice at a time. I do not want to use that as a justification for anything. Because then it becomes easy to use it as a justification for everything.
-Chackmon is a known user of deception based tactics, and we already had Parrotmon pull the same stunt from his faction.
There's a big difference between guerrilla tactics and psychological trickery dude.
Sparks is going to terminate Chackmon with potentially sadistic glee for hurting Verge.
And if we make his shot miss, he'll stop to question Verge.
Is aligned with the faction using torture on the Unimon for intelligence.
And we have no idea what the Host does behind closed doors, because I'm not naive enough to think that there aren't factions that don't do things that are just as heinous in pursuit of destroying the Gloaming. Don't assume he was aware of them torturing mon.
 
Agreed, the path Verge is on will be one he can never really stop until the day he is deleted.

As when one decides to become or live up to a ideal, only broken dreams or death awaits them at the end with the kind of world he lives in. :(

Still, just because it will end that way, doesn't mean that kind of life isn't worth living or that what is done with such a life won't be something worth doing.



"I have no regrets this is the only path" (warning hanging noose)
 
I see no reason to spare him, our previous opponents whom we spared or tried to fought us with honor and we responded in kind by acting with honor, this cur does not seem to follow our code thus I fail to be moved by his plea.
How very... you know what, I'm just gonna call a spade a spade, that's the most heartless, coldblooded justification I've heard yet.
 
So since Chackmon has never done him real harm or those he cares about, acts like a child and is pleading for mercy while no longer being able to cause harm. I can easily see his softer nature come in and make him ask himself is what he is doing right?

"Chechechecheche" Chackmon the Legendary Warrior drops down to the tracks with, a massive, self-satisfied grin plastered across his face. Instinctively you stiffen up, raising your war-gauntlets into their default position as the champion's power makes itself known. Despite only barely breaching three feet, you can feel the strength exuding from his presence.

It's exhilarating.

Your mouth opens, a challenge on your lips but the sentence is halted before it can even begin. Chackmon warps into little more than a multi-colored blur and shoots towards you, his weapon unleashing a sudden hail of icy projectiles. One claw shifts to block the barrage, while the other moves to track the incoming Legendary Warrior. You swipe once, ready to eviscerate the attacking foe... but he simply flows beneath your attack and pops back up with one fist covered in a block of ice.

"Tsurara Punch" Your right knee shatters.

An earth-shaking cry of pain explodes from your throat, as his blow forces you to shift all your weight onto one leg, preventing you from turning to properly follow. The following balls of condensed frost pierce right through your back and destroy your already beleaguered balance. Naturally you turn the fall into a roll, the incantation for a healing spell already leaving your mouth. By the time you've come up, the Legendary Warrior is once again coming towards you... though not as expected.

No, the small digimon's body has grown, forming into a pointy icicle that looks more than capable of ending your life. It's only through the blessing of keeping your paws high, that you manage to intercept the living projectile. Like all before, the Legendary Warrior's attack bounces off your war-gauntlets without inflicting so much as a speck of damage. You seize the resulting chance with all haste, swiping at Chackmon's hanging form before gravity can pull him back to the earth.

Only, instead of rending him asunder, you watch with a disbelieving eye as his body slides back down to it's smaller more humanoid form and simply passes inbetween the spaces left by your claws.

"The Polar Defense Force will never lose to the likes of you corrupters!" he squeaks proudly, lining up the barrels of his weapon with your head once more.

Spirits below this... is not going to be easy.

"Burst: Greater Sparkling Thunder!"

Azure energy sprints across the wreckage and impacts straight on the Legendary Warrior's weapon arm. A full half of the small champion's thin limb is melted through, forcing the rest of his limb to hang limp as a result. You snarl back the indignant anger that comes with interrupting a one on one duel, but push through to swipe at Chackmon again.

Speed proves to be your bane once more as the lightly damaged champion leaps back out of the way and glares over in Sparks direction. You glance along with him, then blink as the magic user's burnt, smoking form comes into view.

"Huh? How in Ancient Irismon's name did he-"

"Retreat! Retreat Chackmon, bawk bawk!" An enemy champion shouts, drawing attention to the fact that your opponent's side is vacating the battlefield. You try to hop closer, but now that you're moving on only leg, movement speed isn't exactly high.

The small digimon throws a regretful glare your way, then leaps up, grabbing the leg of the speaking Aquilamon with his good arm.

"This isn't over yet! The Polar Defense Force will protect this wooooooorld." You glare at the retreating pair, then shake your head and turn back towards Sparks. Moments later, after the healing spell finishes its course, you trod over towards the collapsed wizardmon. His eyes stare back up at you, clearly relieved, but the magical mon can't seem to speak.

This... it has to be from Gramps spell. But the cost... his body is a wreck.

Even after thorough healing, your crippled friend is still completely paralyzed. So you sling, the wizard up onto your back and move to join your allies efforts in rescuing any trapped or unconscious digimon. However while doing so, you overhear a conversation from the remaining officers.

"-ucks actually attacked and deleted a Locomon! Don't those dumbasses know about the union!" Darcmon's voice grumbles,.
Dude.
Chackmon was personally involved in:
-Killing a Locomon, a neutral party noncombatant from ambush
-Ripping Verge to shreds in single combat. Reminder that Verge is the most powerful Champion in the force. Anything that could hurt him that easily cannot be contained except with an Ultimate, and we don't have enough Ultimates as it is.
-Rendering Sparks basically helpless from the spell backlash needed to save Verge from termination
-Capable of turning into liquid form, and using that to regenerate damage by trading off body mass. We see that he's recovered fully from a Greater Sparkling Thunder, which I may remind you, is powerful enough to maim an Ultimate.
-Capable of shaping any body part, or his entire body into a weapon, and in the latter case, propelling himself without any limbs.
-Has breath weapons capable of oneshotting the majority of the Host party, and significantly injuring Ultimates

Chackmon is not rendered harmless(in fact, the only thing he might have issue with is his snow bazooka, and thats like Verge losing Crusher Bone), has been party to causing death to a neutral noncombatant.
He will be back in action if he simply had a bit of time to regenerate MP.
 
Man ya gotta feel pit for Verge

Ya just know Sparks, Ardat, Pit, Yggdrassil, his own ideals are gonna drag him to the battlefield anyways

I just can't see him ever truly setting down now given Digiworlds tend to be in constant flux
Pretty much and at the rate even if he doesn't become a heavy hitter in his own right he's probably going to end up working under one.

Honestly the closest thing I can think of is if he goes Turtle Sovereign since that one seems pretty chill and he has multiple routes for it but even then he's still probably do quite a bit of fighting.
 
What remains of Chackmon's attack reverts back into the digmon's orignal form, only this time his body is an utter wreck.
Digimon and original.
His stump and the wound on his chest pulsate contiunuing to eat away at what's left.
Continuing.

After rereading the chapter more carefully I think killing a crying digimon begging for mercy is a bit much.

[X] Step aside, making Sparks's attack miss.
-[X] No Sparks... What would Flamemon think if he could see us right now?

The Flamemon argument would make the most sense for why Verge would spare Chackmon's life, Verge desires to be a hero and Agnimon would probably spare Chackmon in our place, considering the fact that Chackmon is crying right now.
 
i think the best way to save Chackmon's life might be to get useful info now so we can argue to being a prisoner under our watch later so something like this might work but i don't know if it would work and i think the attempt would put us on thin ice if it fails.
[ ]ask sparks to not kill him yet but ask questions while we use our weakest healing spell to ensure he doesn't die before he gets a chance to answer any questions.
-[ ]be sure to tell Chackmon that if he does anything funny looking we will not hesitate to kill him.
so maybe something like this? if anyone's wondering why the healing spell gale claws doing damage over time to him.
 
I hope Verge's Gale Claw can't spread further corruption to other people cauz if it can I'm going to suggest we not touch the ability if it can be helped.
 
i think the best way to save Chackmon's life might be to get useful info now so we can argue to being a prisoner under our watch later so something like this might work but i don't know if it would work and i think the attempt would put us on thin ice if it fails.
[ ]ask sparks to not kill him yet but ask questions while we use our weakest healing spell to ensure he doesn't die before he gets a chance to answer any questions.
-[ ]be sure to tell Chackmon that if he does anything funny looking we will not hesitate to kill him.
so maybe something like this? if anyone's wondering why the healing spell gale claws doing damage over time to him.
At best you're going to need to vote for making Sparks miss, because a pure write-in like that probably won't be counted.
 
Ardat as a Witchmon is irresponsible, egotistical and reckless, but definitely not a child. She doesn't react like someone who doesn't know how things work. She reacts like someone who doesn't care.
I would say she acts more like someone that cares to much, but the only people this really effects are those near her. Since pretty much everything we know about her is shaped by 2 to 3 mon and her nature. Which pretty much boils down to make lots of friends and be "awesome" in a way she thinks those she care for and nature would agree with.

Since before her change in Ladydevimon, you could pretty much sum her up as teen desperately wanting to make friends, learn all about awesome magic and make her "dad" proud and/or spend more time with her. That seems very much kid level thinking to me.

And then look at Chackmon. Things he did:
-Ambush with intent to kill. Twice. Even if the second time was baited. The first time nearly did kill Verge.

-Tactical withdrawal when it looks like we can resist at all.
Ok, so he can follow orders, I don't really see how this says anything. As rookies can do the same and have done so onscreen.

As in both cases of his attacks he was follow plans of other mon for attacks on "villains" out to "destroy" the world. This really doesn't prove anything either way, since all mon seem to be able to do this from pretty much in-training on up.

-Is aligned with the faction using torture on the Unimon for intelligence.
This really has no bearing on anything though. As if we use this logic, Verge is a horrible bastard too, since by faction proxy we know the Host has done and endorsed some equally messed up shit.

So I rather we have Verge judge and react to the mon, rather then the faction a mon is apart. Otherwise we pretty much have to agree everyone is a raging bastard.

We don't know the full tragic backstory, but the key factors are:
-We do not have the facilities to contain a Snowbear T-1000. Capture means execution, because the Host doesn't really do torture(certainly no Angel or Knight is going to be able to order torture based interrogation unless they were pretty close to Falling)
Chackmon is pretty much in critical condition, how would finding a way to keep him contained be hard? As unless the guy is bough up to full health, I'm pretty sure any champ on our side could end him right now.

-Chackmon is a known user of deception based tactics, and we already had Parrotmon pull the same stunt from his faction.
The actions of another shouldn't give cause that mercy should be given to another though. I mean if Chackmon already did something messed up you would have a point, but he never did anything like that.

-Sparks is going to terminate Chackmon with potentially sadistic glee for hurting Verge.
Kind of the point I and others want to talk our friend down here, as he doesn't need to keep feeding that nature.

Most ethical action is to ensure a clean termination. We're at war.
Not really, the most ethical thing would be trying to open up a way for a dialogue and trying to stop this pointless killing. Something that Chackmon might be able to help in since he is a legendary warrior in a faction that is lead by another and is a faction with a faith based around them. So I would think he would have a good amount of value in at least forcing a chance for such.
 
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