Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Varder
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Hmm.. interesting, thank you.
Was the introduction of scaling of buffs discussed? Like, consecutive buffs provide diminishing returns, or the other way, buffs start with miniscule benefits and are easy to dispell but each consecutive one gets better and better until it spirals out of control. That way debuffs, while mitigated by armor, stay consistent throughout the course of the fight, while the buff chain either hits the ceiling or has trouble starting.
Sorry if I'm bringing back someone's worst nightmare, but I missed the main discussion.
NaanContributor
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I'm not really prepared to discuss this in length, but to my recollection no. However, there are significant problems with that idea. Already stacking the same buff doesn't work (AC is the exception that proves the rule, and only if multiple people are there), it merely refreshes the duration. Otherwise, you can get insane results like stacking Grinning Cresent Dancer ad nausuem so that no one can ever hit you, ever. Which means that for any type of work to be done on the concept of consecutive buffs providing diminishing returns, there would need to be work done on what it means to be a "consecutive" buff. Like, SCS and TRF both provide amazing defensive buffs, but are they consecutive? They both do it in different and distinct ways which makes it troubling to say that one would diminish the effect of the other.
The same could be said for the other example you gave, or the inverse of diminishing. But ultimately, it would be a ton of work for... little to no point. The goal of the mechanics switch was to make combat more streamlined and less focused on pure mechanics. This would be going full throttle in reverse on that notion.
Of course, an argument against the focused damage is that if fights wear on then it becomes more likely that our sword will be broken - it isn't exactly super tough. And at that point it can't do anything.
In contrast, "eerie" is both more useful while we're setting up, but its debuffs should (I assume) last and give us aid even if its gone.
The damage one does kinda push us towards going for DPS faster... or perhaps deliberately holding our sword back and tanking theirs until we're reading to unleash our power (which is more risky than it was in the old system given that domain weapons actually have solid power now).
Certainly if we start playing around with stealth (crossed fingers) then the damage one is actually kinda a bad fit since it getting blown up while we're hiding and dragging things out it doesn't really help...
In contrast, "eerie" is both more useful while we're setting up, but its debuffs should (I assume) last and give us aid even if its gone.
The damage one does kinda push us towards going for DPS faster... or perhaps deliberately holding our sword back and tanking theirs until we're reading to unleash our power (which is more risky than it was in the old system given that domain weapons actually have solid power now).
Certainly if we start playing around with stealth (crossed fingers) then the damage one is actually kinda a bad fit since it getting blown up while we're hiding and dragging things out it doesn't really help...
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[X] It's cry grew ever more eerie
I'm voting for this for a couple of reasons. The first reason is that I like the mechanic of qi drain, or wearing down the opponent until there is no ability for them to fight back.
The second reason that I'm voting for this choice is that this is the choice that best assists any of our allies or spirit beasts who are using spiritual attacks against a foe. Zhengui comes to mind with his fairly bad spiritual offense, but also the potential of binding Hanyi. More realistically, however, this blade would assist either Cai or Meizhen should we be fighting with them, as well as assisting in our ability to deal damage once we hit a target with a damaging spell.
The third reason is that this is a more persistent effect that needs to be dealt with. The offensive buff only applies when a target is struck by a damaging technique. The most consistent of these would be Dissonance, but an increase in Dissonance damage and penetration would not be much of an increase given its low damage already. Other than dissonance, it must be a technique that we cast, which means that unless we are attacking the offensive buff will not be active. I prefer an ability for a flying sword that is active all the time rather than an ability that majorly depends on us acting.
I'm voting for this for a couple of reasons. The first reason is that I like the mechanic of qi drain, or wearing down the opponent until there is no ability for them to fight back.
The second reason that I'm voting for this choice is that this is the choice that best assists any of our allies or spirit beasts who are using spiritual attacks against a foe. Zhengui comes to mind with his fairly bad spiritual offense, but also the potential of binding Hanyi. More realistically, however, this blade would assist either Cai or Meizhen should we be fighting with them, as well as assisting in our ability to deal damage once we hit a target with a damaging spell.
The third reason is that this is a more persistent effect that needs to be dealt with. The offensive buff only applies when a target is struck by a damaging technique. The most consistent of these would be Dissonance, but an increase in Dissonance damage and penetration would not be much of an increase given its low damage already. Other than dissonance, it must be a technique that we cast, which means that unless we are attacking the offensive buff will not be active. I prefer an ability for a flying sword that is active all the time rather than an ability that majorly depends on us acting.
TimEd
Meteor maker
actually this works against the other direction as well.
Assuming we can get our domain weapon to hit at least once on a strong enemy, this would mean we got past their spiritual defense. Most of our damage has other effects which will either make repeats much easier, or help the battle swing our way. On the other hand, the drain to spiritual defense and Qi of eerie weapon makes it more reliant on health (i dont think a zero health weapon can still show effects) though it doesnt need to attack to achieve its desired outcome, it also wouldnt help much reguardingsingle target enemies unless we want it (the weapon) to be targeted instead. Remember, enemy would have domain weapons as well.
Tldr, low health on weapon helps neither side. We either get boost to early battle (which is needed for our build) or we wait for the debuffs to stack to ridiculous levels (domain weapon will need to be semi protected to last as long) though it would show greater returns even if only due to the time taken.
Arkeus
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Not sure if the armor the domain talks about is spiritual or physical. Anyway, our spiritual armour is B rank, while our physical armour has fortitude D (so will soon increase). Likewise, our s.avoid will soon increase thanks to low fade, ENM, CDE and PLR.
More amusingly, though, is the question of when this would be of help. Suyin and Lanlan are the more likely options. Zhengui doesn't benefit from more s.avoid and will have higher armour than us. Perception between bound spirits is weird and is arguably shared for relevant purposes. Meizhen... well, Meizhen is just better than us, so won't be helped by Ling Qi.
When we looked through the archive HDW needed 2head and 1 heart at level 1, and a second heart at level 3, with the capstone needing a third head. Currently HDW seems to be 1 head and 2 heart instead, with a second head at level 5. I am not sure if it's a design change or no, but if it's a design change we should be able to equip CDE.
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If you are talking about SES and HDW then we learned them this turn. We just spent a ton of sect points to make sure we could get them capped out at our cultivation level.
TimEd
Meteor maker
Ling Qi 'aquired' the arts when we sent her to the library and yrs asked us for keywords. The arts found just wasnt learned until now.
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I'm not sure how you got to the conclusion that this is a bad thing.
The "coherent" SBM triggers when Ling Qi hits the target. Yes, dissonance hits get buffed, and noone really cares about those, but if the spelunking adventure proved anything is that we're not killing worthy foes with debuffs and Qi drains, but with Hoarfrost. And right now even the latter doesn't hit all that hard.
How many time did we have to use to kill that Green 1 antlion, or in the fight against the deep ones ?
[x] It's cry grew ever more eerie
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It's the inevitable reality of cultivators, the higher the realm of cultivators engaged in a fight, the longer fight goes. It's given and would be only worse later.
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1337Procrast
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[X] It's cry grew ever more eerie
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Considering the couple of top tier fights we're seen at the tournament last year i don't think that is the case.