Chimeramon was a toptier when it was actually assembled from the best parts of Perfect level digimon, this one is freshly digivolved from a champion level that got it's ass beat by D'arcmon prior to it's digivolution; so I don't think it's gonna be anywhere near that level as it is currently Verge could probably take it down with an extra-judicial use of rage boost (not counting any healing and/or support spells the squad throws Verge's way) especially with it being mindless/feral cutting down it's ability to actually use that power effectively.
? I think you're vastly overselling Verge's capabilities if you think he can take it on by losing control. While it may not be on the same level as the mon that Ken made (which it's implied was actually crafted to begin Milleniumon's rebirth due to the influence of the Dark Spore) but it's still a Top Tier Ult that can clash with the likes of the LW and Olympus XII if they're at the same point in their growth. On top of that, digivolution heals the mon that undergoes it. Including Dark Digivolution. And being feral makes it unpredictable. It's also got more arms than any opponent Verge has fought to-date, so he's going to need to be hyper-focused in order to deal with it in melee, as opposed to going Spartan rage mode.
? I think you're vastly overselling Verge's capabilities if you think he can take it on easily. While it may not be on the same level as the mon that Ken made (which it's implied was actually crafted to begin Milleniumon's rebirth due to the influence of the Dark Spore) but it's still a Top Tier Ult that can clash with the likes of the LW and Olympus XII if they're at the same point in their growth. On top of that, digivolution heals the mon that undergoes it. Including Dark Digivolution. And being feral makes it unpredictable. It's also got more arms than any opponent Verge has fought to-date, so he's going to need to be hyper-focused in order to deal with it in melee, as opposed to going Spartan rage mode.
First off, I never said 'he's gonna be able to deal with it easily' I said that he could deal with it, second you completely misinterpreted what I meant by 'they got their ass beat by D'arcmon' I was stating that Birdramon was weaker than D'arcmon when they were a champion not that they'd be starting off injured (don't treat me like an idiot I know about digivolution healing just like most if not all of the other people here).
Lastly; this is more than likely a perfect level Chimeramon not a bloody ultimate level one (and yes Chimeramon can be either level and this one just digivolved from a champion as I've stated), hence it's nowhere near as powerful as you seem to think it is by all likely-hood, to be frank you're overselling the Chimeramon Verge is dealing with; heck the multiple arms thing can be dealt with, with support which we have currently not gonna be easy but it is doable.
While drawing upon the nature of our claws is tempting... I'm still of the feeling that I'd rather avoid more Desire corruption if can be helped, we are already much better at dealing with Wrath as things are.
The vote is currently fairly close. 8-6 in favour of fighting it normally versus Wrath mode. And 1 for TEAMWORK.
I'll be closing it out later tonight, though I may end up not finishing the update until tomorrow.
While I can't give it's exact power I will confirm that this Chimairamon is not at the level of a godling/LW Ult. If it was, then the entire group would end up trounced. Edit: Theoretically some Chimairamon could reach, or surpass that level, but this one is not there.
The vote is currently fairly close. 8-6 in favour of fighting it normally versus Wrath mode. And 1 for TEAMWORK.
I'll be closing it out later tonight, though I may end up not finishing the update until tomorrow.
While I can't give it's exact power I will confirm that this Chimairamon is not at the level of a godling/LW Ult. If it was, then the entire group would end up trounced. Edit: Theoretically some Chimairamon could reach, or surpass that level, but this one is not there.
Actually Dex I've been wondering.... just were do normal versions of the original Adventure Era protagonists Ultimates rank as far as their species go, actual partner digimon tend to be freaking beasties so I've always wondered how normal members of those species rank.
Actually Dex I've been wondering.... just were do normal versions of the original Adventure Era protagonists Ultimates rank as far as their species go, actual partner digimon tend to be freaking beasties so I've always wondered how normal members of those species rank.
For the most part I consider those species, at least the *normal* versions to be average in strength. With Greymon above average, while Angemon is the strongest amongst them.
Noje of them are exactly weak, but they don't reach the level of something like Growlmon.
....I'm really starting to wonder if I should start arguing out of any possibly related to Desire corruption the minute it shows up because we just keep going for it anyway... and quite frankly it seems to be the sort of thing that's going to look like it's not a problem until it is....which will end badly given it's nature.
....I'm really starting to wonder if I should start arguing out of any possibly related to Desire corruption the minute it shows up because we just keep going for it anyway... and quite frankly it seems to be the sort of thing that's going to look like it's not a problem until it is....which will end badly given it's nature.
While I can't give it's exact power I will confirm that this Chimairamon is not at the level of a godling/LW Ult. If it was, then the entire group would end up trounced. Edit: Theoretically some Chimairamon could reach, or surpass that level, but this one is not there.
Yet, anyways.
Birdramon are hardly weak after all, even if a Dark Digivolution usually doesn't do good things for their future prospects it also makes them an absolute murderbeast for like...the next 4-5 minutes?
At which point I'm not sure that the Chimeramon would stay that way. Their attacks are supposed to be hilariously wasteful in energy, but potent.
....I'm really starting to wonder if I should start arguing out of any possibly related to Desire corruption the minute it shows up because we just keep going for it anyway... and quite frankly it seems to be the sort of thing that's going to look like it's not a problem until it is....which will end badly given it's nature.
Its made out of tradeoffs.
Like, leaving Ardat to rot would have helped avoid a lot of corruption(in fact, almost all the Desire corruption except for this scene comes from helping Ardat), but in exchange she'd be vastly less stable, we know we helped set her on a more optimistic path and that she's actually struggling against her LadyDevimon instincts instead of giving in to what she'd see as a fact of life after her friends abandon her post-evolution.
By contrast, we've been taking a lot of Wrath corruption back as a Drimogemon, pretty much just to overcome our cowardice. We hadn't taken much Wrath as a Gryzmon because we're now brave, and because with Gryzmon, losing control for power is usually a negative, given how much we make use of supporting spells and how much we tend to fight against more powerful digimon.
The interesting part is the Discipline route here is Purple instead of White. Previous Honorable Knight stuff are White corruption.
Counting the corruption totals Wrath and Desire are about neck and neck.
Eeeeh from what I remember Wrath really started to drop off about midway down the Drimogemon area and quite frankly Verge is better able at handling it so I'd much rather take Wrath than Desire at this point.
Eeeeh from what I remember Wrath really started to drop off about midway down the Drimogemon area and quite frankly Verge is better able at handling it so I'd much rather take Wrath than Desire at this point.
Verge stopped channeling Wrath because he didn't need the power so desperately after becoming a Gryzmon. Verge started taking Desire because he needed to help his friends.
We take corrupting actions because we need them, not because we want corruption.
Thing is, Wrath sucks at present because:
-We're powerful and tanky in melee. Wrath is best at helping in melee. Thus, when we need help, we need help with not-melee. Wrath can't help much anymore.
-We make heavy use of spells to support our fighting style. A Frame Reinforced Gryzmon is difficult to kill even for an Ultimate, and nevermind Muscle Burst/Hasten Burst or our ranged artillery option of Holy Light Strike. As Wrath tends to shut these down, it'd be actively foolish to embrace Wrath in most encounters.
-We make use of a fighting style which emphasizes control and precision. Wrath disables that in favor of Rip and Tear.
-Our primary role in combat is to protect Sparks while he blasts opponents when deployed together, because the other digimon don't know about teamwork. Wrath almost always leads to "Charge in screaming", which leaves Sparks exposed.
The most likely circumstances where we want Wrath is after we've buffed up, and are in melee with a more powerful melee opponent(i.e. a Melee Ultimate that's not a flier).
[X] You will match this creature of wrath with anger of your own, an equal contest. Heavy claws become light.
imo we're already too far in Desire corruption and I'd rather it not go any farther. Since we always end up choosing the dive right into more of it option, I'd like to not do it just once. Considering there's only one target atm, if we're going berserker rage right in its face, I don't think it'll do a ton of trying to hit anything else. I'd choose teamwork over this but this is fine too.
[] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.
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Bonus:
This one isn't really suited for the fight, but it was a good listen while typing.
Chimairamon lunges down at you, it's aura a palpable cloak of fury that strangles the very air itself. Your core throbs in challenge, expelling a flood of wrath that bids you to meet the chimeric digimon's berserk state with rage your own. You counter the swell with a wave of cold Devotion. Ideals and Oaths hold more power than your Wrath, fulfilling Agnimon's dream, protecting your siblings and Ardat. It can't be accomplished through rage alone. This battle is something you desired as a martial artist-and protector, to fight a worthy opponent, there is no reason to sully that.
Clear heart, focused mind. My Claws are Heavy.
You take one step back and smile up at the Ultimate, ready to properly receive its incoming charge. Chimairamon's many-limbed form warps into a blur, soaring down at speeds easily twice that of your own.
My wounds are plentiful but minor. They will not affect my power. Limbs are longer, providing greater reach, but the path of dark evolution also left them thin. What I lack in this bout is speed.
"One-zero-zero-" The first line of Hasten Burst leaps forth from your mouth, but that is wholly secondary to how your body moves. The foe's attack, while faster, carries the predictability only blind aggression can bring. Dangerously lethal, yet something you can preemptively move to counter.
Its bladed horn lances down first, aiming to split your skull in two, all four arms trail half a nano-second behind a five pronged nearly simultaneous attack. Perfectly blocking every strike would be impossible with your current abilities, but...
Your forelimbs extend in concert, right rising while the other sweeps left. Flecks of metallic chitin find themselves shaved away as your war-gauntlet interlocks with the plunging horn. Something followed nigh instantly by the sound of bone cracking as your left forelimb makes contact. The Ultimate's momentum and power are not halted. Even the combined sum of your strength and tremendous weight lacks the required power to do so. Rather the kinetic energy is redirected as your entire body wheels. Your head goes low, avoiding the gnarled claws of a Devimon, the other black limb clangs harmlessly off your raised right pauldron. However that still leaves the enlarged Kuwagamon's limb free to dig into your side, ripping dozens of pounds worth of fur and flesh away before the counter throw can finish.
A howl befitting any Garurumon darts free from your opponent's mouth as your motion tosses its entire body away. The abominable mon's misshapen body tumbles left, its speed left unhindered as it plows straight into the steep incline of a foothill. Earth explodes outwards from the impact, forming a seven meter tall crater and a thick misting of upheaved dirt.
Not waiting for the dust to settle, you pivot on a leg and leap into a four legged sprint towards the newly-formed hole. Pit bellows something in the background but you ignore it and the sensation of wounds healing. All that matters is the duel.
*Boom*
Force erupts from within the smog, blowing the thick cover away before pain assaults your chest. Your run warps into a desperate holding measure within a single instant, heat and force synthesized into a single deadly whole. Flesh is bludgeoned and singed all at once, burning down to your very bones. A trio of crashes assault your ears, but are once again ignored as you smile rockets up into a grin.
I cannot take any more of those attacks. This battle has to be finished up close... good.
Chimairamon erupts from the destruction and lunges at you a second time. Once again you rear up to meet him. The silver of your claws throb with anticipation, Desire pulls on your core. And this time, you let energy flow. A wordless screech cuts through the air.
A victory through skill alone is impossible. I must trade blows. Recital nearly finished. Slow it down. The timing must be-will be perfect.
This time the berserk opponent's pattern is different, he leads with a flurry of barely visible swipes, clearly wanting nothing more than to tear you apart. Your eye narrows at the seemingly random groupings of rending strikes, searching for an opening.
There.
"-one-zero-zero!" You roar, pouring enough energy into your body that the entire frame throbs in protest.
Hasten Burst!
The world slows, barely visible attacks change to something your eye can fully comprehend. A single step is taken, joints scream in strain, but the pain doesn't matter. Your right paws lift up, a light purple shroud of compressed air acting as physical extensions of the digits. Defense is abandoned.
"Gale Claw!"
One second.
Your throat is torn away, a dozen more lacerations leave your torso a wreck; even your very ribs ring out in protest as the metal coating is repeatedly struck. But none of that matters. All of your strength and boosted speed are poured into this one countering strike.
Blades of wind carve through Chimairamon's shoulders, cleanly severing the mis-matched flesh of each side thrice over. His four arms drop limply down, a faint miasma wafting up from their bisected ends assaulting your nose with the scent of rotting flesh. The air around your claws fade away.
Two seconds.
Not that the Ultimate cares about a sudden lack of arms. With a speed that only a creature consumed by rage could muster, it pushes past the heavy injuries and swings its horn at your remaining eye-
*Tink*
-only to be met by a series of closing fangs. Your jaw muscles struggle to hold the Ultimate back, the sheer power actually forcing your neck to bend backwards. This is a contest you'll lose, but not one you really needed to win. Your arms pull back, shoulders flexing.
Three.
Black war-gauntlets strike forth, lancing into your opponent's body and burying themselves to the knuckles. Your teeth receive much needed relief, as the entire digimon is lifted up into the air. The foe's toothy maw opens wide, glowing with another blast-
"Thunder Cloud!"
-only to erupt prematurely as a ball of azure lightning clashes with the technique. Wrath, floods through your core at the reality of someone interrupting your duel, but you cannot falter now. The energy is channeled into your turn, lifting Chimairamon's stunned body over your head before slamming the taller mon head-first into the ground.
"Atemigaeshi!"
Four.
Its wings and legs flail wildly, perhaps sensing what's coming. Pink claws plunge towards your core, only to be rebuffed by an armored paw. Your right forelimb rises up.
Our bout has finished.
"Crescent Dawn!"
The opponent's core is shattered. The fight ends.
Five.
Your legs give away, the energy reinforcing them burnt through. His data, shrouded in darkness hovers there, waiting to be claimed. You:
=== Choose One:
[] Take it. The power is something you cannot afford to give up, and you cannot afford to stay injured right now.
[] Let it go. You don't know what effects the dark evolution might have had on it's being.
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Technique: Gale Claw (Variant) learnt.
===Authors Note: My apologies for not getting this out last night. My time to write was cut short by RL, so I had to search for time to finish it this morning.
So I searched for possible Ultimate forms for Verge and found these three LoaderLiomon, Flaremon, and SkullBaluchimon.
First Loader Liomon - Wikimon - The #1 Digimon wiki, the reason is obvious, it's a digging digimon like Verge's rookie form Drimogemon, as well as his possible Champion forms Digmon and Dorulumon. And it's a mammal digimon.
Second Flaremon - Wikimon - The #1 Digimon wiki the reason for his inclusion is three things, first is it's personality description "Although its regal mane and imposing manner may be intimidating at first glance, this strong-willed Beast Man Digimon will brave any hardship for the sake of its comrades." It's basically Fire Leomon who is the direct Ultimate form of an Olympos XII. Second reason is that Flaremon has similarities to Agnimon being fire digimons who protect their comrades, and third is the sibling connection to Lunamon.
Basically the personality, similarities with Agnimon, and sibling relationship with Lunamon would make it a perfect evolution for Verge. It is also a mammal, and has Verge's issues with being intimidating.
Third Skull Baluchimon - Wikimon - The #1 Digimon wiki, the reason I suggest him is simply for a possible Dark Digivolution Candidate for Verge to evolve into if he undergoes Dark Digivolution. It is basically SkullGreymon but for Mammals, so yeah a Dark Digivolution candidate.
[X] Take it. The power is something you cannot afford to give up, and you cannot afford to stay injured right now.
Can't see how loading this mon would be any different then loading any other gloaming mon. So let's take our rightly earned reward and GTFO with our target before something bigger shows up.
? I think you're vastly overselling Verge's capabilities if you think he can take it on by losing control. While it may not be on the same level as the mon that Ken made (which it's implied was actually crafted to begin Milleniumon's rebirth due to the influence of the Dark Spore) but it's still a Top Tier Ult that can clash with the likes of the LW and Olympus XII if they're at the same point in their growth. On top of that, digivolution heals the mon that undergoes it. Including Dark Digivolution. And being feral makes it unpredictable. It's also got more arms than any opponent Verge has fought to-date, so he's going to need to be hyper-focused in order to deal with it in melee, as opposed to going Spartan rage mode.
