Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Wind
EDIT: To expand on this, I like the idea it puts forward of becoming more cunning/using our creativity more, and that would give Ling Qi more options (which is something we all know she likes having).

It's not to say she can't use brute force or not be subtle, but that could just be another face of hers. Like the Moon. :D
 
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Gonna make a case of caution for going full wind here:
The full context of the question is this:
She had spent longer than she had thought, staring at the Dreaming Moon, she understood, understanding coming from Sixiang without the barrier of words. Sixiang would have to sleep soon to complete her transformation. But first, here, in this place, bolstered by Argent Energy, filtered through Ling Qi's own dantian, Sixiang wanted to know one more thing. Which of her elements did she feel was most important to what she wanted to be?
Six is going into a transformation, and will likely try to assist with what Ling Qi deems most important to what she wants to become here.

Does this mean becoming some sort of source of appropriate level Ducal-tier arts? I don't think it's likely, not directly at least. In general I'm not a fan of this sort of strategic voting in questions where truthfulness should be the key. Taking Hanyi's likely binding and the looming Zeqing trial gets a bare pass because LQ and Six should be aware of those, at least.

Now, let's look at the specific phrasing of the Wind aspect:
Was it wind? It had fallen behind in her arts, and she had rejected the idea of absolute freedom, but did they playful joy of the wind spirit still exemplify what she wanted to be at the end. Would she have done better in recent trials, if she found again the thread of cunning and creativity that had kept her alive in latter days?
These are:
> does LQ still want to exemplify "the playful joy of the wind spirit"
> would she have done better if she was back in the survival-mode mindset she had as mortal(?)

I am... decidedly less enamored with both of these, especially the second. Wind is being presented from it's worse aspects here when looked at closer; cunning and creativity yes, but to serve the goal of staying alive. Joy and playfulness but that of the fleeting Wind spirit.

I think a healthier shade of curiosity and cunning we can develop as we explore Hidden Moon themes, while playfulness and joy we can keep in our interests through music/dance (PLR) and passing interests(AFL) without them becoming the core we build around.

There are aspects of wind I would wholeheartedly support; the more charitable aspects of curiosity and creativity not tainted by fear. The amazing potential of connections as a key lens through which we'll come to see Wind, and the limited freedom LQ could exult in through flight.

That said, given the context of the question and the suspect framing of Wind here, I'm inclined to passing it off to a later opportunity, perhaps when we master HDW and ENM, though I'd be fine with wind winning here so long as we avoid the worse aspects it's been associated with here.

For now:
[X] Darkness
[X] Wood


Wood's there because IMO it has an interesting case going for it, plays well with Zhengui, and should have some thematic overlap with wind we haven't really explored, and well:
She could not remain still but that was not all that there was to the element, now was it?
 
Hrrrm...So this is...Gonna be a pain.
I'm going to walk away from the ULTIMATE BATTLE FOR LING QI DESTINY! For a second and think about the Arts we've picked up, the elements they brought, and how it all ties together into Who Ling Qi is, before deciding.
So.
Wind. Wind was our first art, Zephyr Breeze, and has an innate bonii to it that suggested we really wanna go Wind in a big way...
But then the Moon plucked us from the breeze, showing us a path through the shadow in SCS and FVM, the latter of which we've REALLY bonded to and made core to everything we've done. Notably, Ling Qi also had an old family flute, which is probably why we locked on so hard. We could have, say, kept that looted Wood Staff (And a VERY different Ling Qi might have come about if we had!)
From there, Wind got a bit of a boost with Falling Heaven Star bringing it back into favor...Except we can't reliably stealth at range, because FVM& SCS combo is how we stealth. SCS needs darkness and FVM provides it. And Heaven Star wanted Range first and foremost. Good try!

Water I think mostly comes through Zeqing's Ice Music Arts. Which basically makes it our sword, if Darkness is our Core. Oddly enough, Water feels the most 'Isolated/isolation' in a sense? Like...Wind seems to be inborn to us, but being Wind, being able to Fly about, kind of suggests a focus of Travel and meeting others that basically lets us be the 'bridge' bringing peoples together, potentially. Oh yeah, and the first art we got that's Wind is meant to be used in groups. Which might have been the thing Cai picked up on back during that Music Duel we got into, but I'm digressing at here so back on track:

Wind is Friends! Wood is also Friends! But a Shield rather then a Chariot or Caravan. Darkness is ANTAGONISTS, in that we use it when we want to sneak past people or befuddle them. And Water? Water's the Sword, and also isolation, in a sense, because the only other cultivator with that element in a significant manner in our entire social group is Meizhen, unless that Turtle-Formations Expert guy packs Water arts, which he might? Though I'd argue a more concrete thing is how it feels like every Water-person we know is kind of...Isolated in that others reach out to them, they don't reach out themselves. We reached out to Meizhen, Cai reached out to best snek. I imagine she also was the one who initiated with Turtle Monk Xuan, because he's sure not been reaching out to us that much! And let's not forget Zeqing, who sits alone on that icy summit save the company of her daughter. Wind is kind of family/history given our in-born talent for it and the heirloom flute. And Wood is mutual Defense, as well as something that connects us to Zhengui, our 'little brother' so to speak...One could also claim Wood to be the Spoils of Victory as far as Ling Qi is concerned- look how many times we got something Wood-oriented from prevailing over trials.
  1. We got that Wood staff from a loot pinata girl in the trials, and again when the THUNDERDOME came and she wanted another shot at us.
  2. We got TRF from fighting the Cloud Shaman.
  3. We gained Zhengui from that trial with Meizhen, in talking to the big volcano turtle.
And again, spinning around to the element where I started with this: Water is Isolation, It's Zeqing and that's it.
four elements, four threads, and how to weave them together...
Darkness is the Stealth, the Fog that we tend to think of as Ling Qi's Core. I dunno about that, but we tend to have it as a go-to. the horrormoth approves.
Wind is Friends, is Family, is History, which are oddly static things to draw from the intangible element, but that's my take on it.
Wood, I'd argue is our Armor, our Shield. For when we must take a stand, this is how we do it, especially given how it keeps connecting to Defensive things like ZhenGui or TRF.
Water is the Sword, somewhat also Solitude given the way the Water-aligned folks are all disparate and don't want to reach out.
So what do I want to claim as the most important?...In order.
Water...Actually is my least favorite. Because to me this Water is actually Ice. It's loneliness, and that's something LIng Qi doesn't seem to like.
Darkness...Well, this isn't bad. It's perhaps the most complete package of the lot, given how well SCS&FVM form a basis for how we wish to fight.
Wood...I'm torn between this and Darkness, because while Darkness seems to consistantly worm it's way into a majority of our arts, and thus gains prominence, Wood Stands tall with a few bastions potent enough to earn it's keep.
Wind...This, is Ling Qi's 'JOY!' element. And I'm pretty consistant about wanting her to be a happier and more cheerful person, myself. Arts...It's funny, it doesn't have THAT many arts to it, nor does it have a major link of importance, only our base talents really seem to keep us coming back to it...And yet in a sense, it's something that's informed the majority of what we want to do.
Even more basic then SCS&FVM, Ling Qi wants to Kite things. To be tantalizingly out of reach, while still striking back at her opponents. And I say this because look at some of the alternate patterns beyond the SCS/FVM Doomcloud Ling Qi- The 'if we hadn't been moon-jacked' Falling Star/Zephyr Breeze Archer Ling Qi, the possibly Heart of an Army Wood Ling Qi (just need something more active then TRF to fight with!), the Winter's Death Ling Qi of her connection to Zeqing, possibly amped further by Meizhen possibly thowing us some water tips...
...Then again...If we could somehow tie Wood and Wind together...
[X]Wood
I'm intrigued by this possibility.
 
[X] Darkness

I'd vote for Wood if it was Yin Wood, but it's Yang Wood because LQ only has Yang Wood arts.

Hate Wind. Fuckin' dump it already. Hate HDW, wish it wasn't there.

Don't remember which element corresponded with loyalty, but if someone can find it I'd probably throw it an approval vote.
Earth is the element of community. But that's a little different from loyalty. Loyalty is an outcome that comes from something else, usually.

Earth's not an option.

Ling Qi is loyal and dedicated to friends because she wants to keep them. So she's loyal because of her darkness element, IMO.
 
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I am... decidedly less enamored with both of these, especially the second. Wind is being presented from it's worse aspects here when looked at closer; cunning and creativity yes, but to serve the goal of staying alive. Joy and playfulness but that of the fleeting Wind spirit.

I think a healthier shade of curiosity and cunning we can develop as we explore Hidden Moon themes, while playfulness and joy we can keep in our interests through music/dance (PLR) and passing interests(AFL) without them becoming the core we build around.

There are aspects of wind I would wholeheartedly support; the more charitable aspects of curiosity and creativity not tainted by fear. The amazing potential of connections as a key lens through which we'll come to see Wind, and the limited freedom LQ could exult in through flight.
I think this is a rather pessimistic take on the wording? Joy and Playfulness of the wind spirit, but not the fleeting wind spirit. It explicitly says it's not about absolute freedom, and there is no 'fleeting' in the part you quoted there, so it's pretty clear that, not it's not that kind of Joy and Playfulness. I don't know why the added fleeting in your analysis.

Likewise, I don't think it's cunning and creativity to serve the goal of staying alive:
Was it wind? It had fallen behind in her arts, and she had rejected the idea of absolute freedom, but did they playful joy of the wind spirit still exemplify what she wanted to be at the end. Would she have done better in recent trials, if she found again the thread of cunning and creativity that had kept her alive in latter days?
The 'kept her alive' part refers to her past, while the 'done better in recent trials' is an example of what 'Cunning and Creativity' could give her in latter days.

I think given the context of both the vote sentence and previous experience of Ling Qi, what the vote means is very different than this pessimistic take:

  • Wind as Playfulness and Joyfulness but not Absolute Freedom
  • Creativity and Cunning used for doing better rather than staying alive
 
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I think this is a rather pessimistic take on the wording? Joy and Playfulness of the wind spirit, but not the fleeting wind spirit. It explicitly says it's not about absolute freedom, and there is no 'fleeting' in the part you quoted there, so it's pretty clear that, not it's not that kind of Joy and Playfulness.

Likewise, I don't think it's cunning and creativity to serve the goal of staying alive:
The 'kept her alive' part refers to her past, while the 'done better in recent trials' is an example of what 'Cunning and Creativity' could give her in latter days. I don't know why the added fleeting.

I think given the context of both the vote sentence and previous experience of Ling Qi, what the vote means is very different than this pessimistic take:

  • Wind as Playfulness and Joyfulness but not Absolute Freedom
  • Creativity and Cunning sued for doing better rather than staying alive
Agree here.

Ling Qi refused the absolute freedom since she did take on responsibilities, like her friends and mother, but Wind can still offer her Joy, Creativity and Cunning, something she lacked in recent times.

From the descriptions above the Wind is described as arguably the most positive element Ling Qi could pick up currently.
 
> would she have done better if she was back in the survival-mode mindset she had as mortal(?)
I would say this is missing the point slightly. Back then, she had to use her cunning and wits to survive because she literally had no other choice. It was that or subordinate herself to someone else, whether her mother (as she thought of it) or some street gang.

In this case, she actually has enough hard and soft power that cunning isn't her only option anymore, so Wind here would mean she wants to keep that cunning as one of/her main option, rather than a regression to how she was back then.
 
[X] Darkness


Greed, Desire, Want there truly are worse things than to chase for more and more fulfillment. And I do think it unquestionably fits Ling Qi for all the thread seems to balk at it. That perfect, eternal and inviolate home doesn't exist- it will be vulnerable, temporary and flawed- but that doesn't make wanting it any less worthy.
 
[X] Darkness

The question is about who Ling Qi wants to be going forward. Wind is curiosity and playfulness but since when did those things define Ling Qi? In the quest she was repeatedly defined by her attachment to things, whether it was shiny baubles or her friends; and those attachments are the things that define her.

Not to say that she can't be curios or playful, but simply that it isn't the most important thing to her.
 
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