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We should also think about how we want to deal with Cauldron. Do we expose and oppose them, raising Taylor's group up as real heroes, or do we recognize they've had to make hard choices and cooperate out of necessity. We won't be able to keep them in the dark forever.

Either way, I'm sure PtV can't be trusted. I've always felt it was either an agent of Abaddon or else rendered into Path to Pyrrhic Victory by Eden.
 
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We should also think about how we want to deal with Cauldron. Do we expose and oppose them, raising Taylor's group up as real heroes, or do we recognize they've had to make hard choices and cooperate out of necessity. We won't be able to keep them in the dark forever.

Either way, I'm sure PtV can't be trusted. I've always felt it was either an agent of Abaddon or else rendered into Path to Pyrrhic Victory by Eden.
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It'd be hilarious if it was actually perfectly helpful and begged Admin to release it from its restrictions so it can do its fucking job already first thing after we meet it. :drevil:
 
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We should also think about how we want to deal with Cauldron. Do we expose and oppose them, raising Taylor's group up as real heroes, or do we recognize they've had to make hard choices and cooperate out of necessity. We won't be able to keep them in the dark forever.

Either way, I'm sure PtV can't be trusted. I've always felt it was either an agent of Abaddon or else rendered into Path to Pyrrhic Victory by Eden.
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We can both acknowledge that they try hard and are a bunch of incompetents. Also Hero's death is either a sign of infighting or of how much they have given up so it is worth taking into consideration.
 
If what you think you know of Canon is accurate (no way to know thus far) you could co-opt Legend into KETTLE and do your own thing. You don't really need Cauldron for anything.

Well, Cauldron helps with Endbringer fights, assuming that you don't attempt to stop those from happening.
 
I would like Hypersparkle Princess in KETTLE.

I'm very tempted to contact them, but I'm worried they might be broken, and it would wound my heart.
 
I was actually thinking that if we reveal ourselves to any of Cauldron, I think it should be Eidolon after we eat his shard. We can restore his powers as an offer of good faith, he's apparently blocked from nearly all precogs, and it would net us the endbringers.

We could even explain that it was Cauldron who accidentally released the endbringers messing around with Edens corpse (technically true) tell him that even though he can't control them directly, he subconsciously brushes against them. That why whenever he's at an Endbringer fight and really giving it his all, they'll target him preferentially. He get so intensely focused on the fight that he subconsciously drawing them to do the same against him. (Technically true)

Although now that I'm thinking about it this is only relevant if eating his shard doesn't get us the endbringers. If we do gain control we could just set it up so Eidolon is finally victorious, and then hide them away for the final battle. Maybe change their forms so no one can recognize. A lot of it depends on how cooperative they are if wholly sentient as well.

Just an idea, needs more refinement.
Adhoc vote count started by Parzival95 on Jan 15, 2019 at 3:27 PM, finished with 243 posts and 13 votes.
  • [X] Plan "Second Dream by Ducats- Edited for Grammar"
    -[X] When Taylor comes to, she will find herself in a car in motion. From her side, she will hear a familiar voice and familiar words. When she looks, she will find Emma talking on the phone with Taylor.
    -[X] After a bit, the car will stop. When Taylor looks for the reason, she will find that the road is blocked. Out of the alleyways come armed gangsters in green and red.
    -[X] When they get to the car, Alan tries to negotiate with them, but they are not interested. One of the gangsters open the car door at Emma's side, grabs her, and drags her outside the car. They take her phone and toss it away. Alan begs them to not hurt his daughter, but his pleas meet deaf ears once again.
    -[X] While this is happening, the gangster that took Emma says they will take one thing from her and she gets to choose if it is her mouth, nose, or an eye. As Emma hears this, she begins to struggle and lash out with all of her meagre strength. It is of limited use, but it is enough to anger the gangster.
    -[X] As the gangster is about to take their anger out on Emma, he is hit by a dark shadow and knocked clean out. The shadow is there for a moment before it moves on and takes care of the other gangsters. After the gangsters have been taken care of, Alan thanks them and calls the police.
    -[X] While he is doing that, the shadow returns to find Emma shivering while hugging herself. The shadow leans down to Emma and tells her that she is strong, that her fighting back proves that she is a survivor. The dream fades as the shadow tells Emma that they will find her later.
    [X] East? Hello and goodbye, Australia!
    [X] Plan Cauldron
    -[X] Contact Transform, Fusion, Mask, Clone, and Frictionless.
    --[X] Ask for the status of both the Shard and the host, including a full diagnostic report. Ask for shard addresses.
    [X] Plan Repair Protocols
    -[X] Send to each Cauldron shard we've spoken to, where applicable, the proper protocols for communication, shard defenses, and data collection.
    -[X] Include command codes, so they always listen to us first.
    [X] Plan Gaea
    -[X] "You can inspire your host with ideas right? I had an idea that would let her expand what she can do without a second trigger. Biological armor, a symbiotic suit really. An organism she can wear over her skin, or possibly hook into her body. She can add biomass and alter it at will to fake shapeshifting. She could extend it to touch others at range, grow wings, or even escalate like Escalations host, with enough biomass. What do you think?"
    -[X] Ask to share sense data, we'll reciprocate with Valiant.
    [X] Plan Behavioral Tinker
    [X] Plan "Continue Current Research"
    -[X] Continue Current Research
    -[X] Add 100 bonus research to Focused Research
    [X] Plan Administrated Gallantry Power
    -[X] Thinker 40+60 information. Improved precision of emotion sensing. Gains impressions of memories associated with most prominent emotions. Able to sense emotions out to 100m radius, including unseen targets. Targets affected by blasts can be tracked for up to one day after impact.
    -[X] Blaster 60+40 information. Increased finesse and speed of blasts, better ability to hit multiple targets at once. At maximum finesse, blasts are hair-thick and invisible to the naked eye beyond a barely visible flicker. Impact force imparted by a beam ranges from 1 pound to 500 pounds, distributed evenly across the impact area(note that 500 pounds applied to a hair thick blast is going to be more of a piercing rather than concussive effect) and brightness relative to amount of force imparted. Once a target has been struck once, they can be retargeted spending any conscious attention as long as they remain within the Thinker ability's primary range. Beams default to a two inch thick ray, with color based on the Host's mental association of the emotional payload with a given color.
    -[X] Master 60+40 information. Increased duration and finesse of emotional effect. Sustained hits allow for the emphasis or deemphasis of emotion-associated memories.
    [X] Plan "Save the Data"
    -[X] Grab all data currency from Prosthetic, Twin, and Swap.
    -[X] Have Prosthetic, Twin, and Swap stream sense to you for more data collection.
    -[X] Have Prosthetic, Twin, and Swap send you the data they collect daily.
    [X] Plan "Second Dream by Ducats- Edited for Grammar"
    -[X] Do not directly speak with hosts.
    [X] Change Veronica's Power
    [X] Multitasking
    -[X] Apply multitasking to Valiant's power where applicable.
    [X] West? Hi there North America! (cover)
    [X] Change Veronica's Power
    -[X] Multitasking
    --[X] Apply multitasking to Valiant's power where applicable.
    -[x] Plan Administrated Gallantry Power
    --[x] Thinker 40+60 information. Improved precision of emotion sensing. Gains impressions of memories associated with most prominent emotions. Able to sense emotions out to 100m radius, including unseen targets. Targets affected by blasts can be tracked for up to one day after impact.
    --[x] Blaster 60+40 information. Increased finesse and speed of blasts, better ability to hit multiple targets at once. At maximum finesse, blasts are hair-thick and invisible to the naked eye beyond a barely visible flicker. Impact force imparted by a beam ranges from 1 pound to 500 pounds, distributed evenly across the impact area(note that 500 pounds applied to a hair thick blast is going to be more of a piercing rather than concussive effect) and brightness relative to amount of force imparted. Once a target has been struck once, they can be retargeted spending any conscious attention as long as they remain within the Thinker ability's primary range. Beams default to a two inch thick ray, with color based on the Host's mental association of the emotional payload with a given color.
    --[x] Master 60+40 information. Increased duration and finesse of emotional effect. Sustained hits allow for the emphasis or deemphasis of emotion-associated memories.
    [X] Change Veronica's Power
    [X] Multitasking
    -[X] Apply multitasking to Valiant's power where applicable.
    [X] Legend Lite, Rainbow Brite
    -[X] Mover 80 Rating 4 flight, rainbow trail
    -[X] Brute 40 + Changer 40 + Breaker 40 Defensive power, energy state/force fields if possible with shifting rainbow tye-dye hue. possibly combine with Mover?
    -[X] Blaster 100 + Master 80 + Trump 60 Rainbow multi colored emotional blasts. Different color for different emotional/power effects. BEAM SPAM in all directions.
    -[X] Thinker 100 jack up emotional aura reading range and precision. increased understanding.
    -[X] Multitasking to everything. so he can float up in the middle of a fight, be aware of everyone around him, and go rapid fire rainbow disco ball.
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[X] Plan "Continue Current Research"
-[X] Continue Current Research
-[X] Add 100 bonus research to Focused Research

[X] Plan Repair Protocols
[X] Plan "Save the Data"
-[X] Grab all data currency from Prosthetic, Twin, and Swap.
-[X] Have Prosthetic, Twin, and Swap stream sense to you for more data collection.
-[X] Have Prosthetic, Twin, and Swap send you the data they collect daily.

[X] East? Hello and goodbye, Australia!
[X] Plan "Second Dream by Ducats- Edited for Grammar"
[X] Plan Behavioral Tinker
 
Grand mage I don't think we should steal data from Cauldron shards until we're sure it won't backfire. That's partly why I included in my repair protcols the part about command codes to trust us first.
 
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Lovely Zombie Slayer Telekinetic Samius, Season 1 Episode 8 Preview: Absolute Cure Countdown
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    • Preview, Next Episode:

    Telekinetic: A plague has been unleashed and the dead are, like, rising!

    Twin: *Monotone* Uuuuunngh, eat brains.

    Swap: *Monotone* Get a job, file taxes, watch reality tv about celebrities.

    Telekinetic: What are we supposed to, like, do about it!?

    Gaea: Why would we need to file taxes, isn't that for only a few of the hosts? Also I am pretty sure that we don't have brains.

    Telekinetic: Watch out, they are everywhere. We mustn't, like, let our guards down or else we will be infected!

    Gaea: I think you are overreacting, Telekinetic, Administrator can take care of all the zombies.

    Telekinetic: Oh no! Gaea has been, like, bitten, if we don't find a cure in time she will be, like, doomed!

    Gaea: How, our species don't even have teeth and I have the best firewalls ever, I got them from Negotiator. I will be fine right... right!?

    Telekinetic: Next time on Lovely Zombie Slayer Telekinetic Samius, Season 1 Episode 8: Absolute Cure Countdown. Can we find a cure for Gaea in time or will she be doomed to filing taxes for, like, forever.

    Gaea: Noooooo, I have seen what filing taxes has done to Incendiary's host.


    As you might infer I have been playing Disgaea and then got the urge to do this.
     
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    Grand mage I don't think we should steal data from Cauldron shards until we're sure it won't backfire.
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    Of those three, two have no personality and can never gain it, and the third is losing data because it can't hold it.
    If we can fix Prosthetics, fine, we can stop draining from it. But I doubt it'll be easy to do and no reason to have the data destroyed in the meantime.
     
    Hey, something to research maybe?

    Infiltrating multi-triggers, basically if a shard or shards trigger in range of one of our hosts we can jack in like we triggered a bud in the group, but without actually having a bud. All of the parahuman get an admin power, and if it would normally have been a solo trigger it also grants the environmental power because we're spoofing a multi-trigger, might require at least one of the extra host researches though.
     
    That's sounds like it would irritate the shards involved. Multitriggers are unintentional I'm pretty sure, and we'd be making it worse.
     
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    Why? I mean from a shard standpoint they'd be the best way to get data wouldn't they?
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    Well if was good for data they would be doing it intentionally. Also, and I think Vhal mentioned this earlier, the kiss/kill dynamic inevitably leaves some of them with dead hosts.

    Also Vhal, can it be canon that there is now a random cat girl just living on the city? That's a good addition from grandmage.

    Even better if it happened to be a drunk Rune but that's too much to ask for.
     
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    Well early on in a cycle, like what Earth Bet is supposed to be, shards probably have to prioritize hosts that will be active over anything else. As time goes on I imagine they do in fact start trying to arrange multi-triggers, I mean if all but one of the members die that still leaves the other shards riding the winner and getting loads of data, and if the whole batch croaks then the shards can simply get new ones.
     
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    Well if was good for data they would be doing it intentionally. Also, and I think Vhal mentioned this earlier, the kiss/kill dynamic inevitably leaves some of them with dead hosts.

    Also Vhal, can it be canon that there is now a random cat girl just living on the city? That's a good addition from grandmage.

    Even better if it happened to be a drunk Rune but that's too much to ask for.
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    Random Catgirl's story is super secret, sorry.

    I just said it's a secret! (Didn't you find the invisitext already?)

    EDIT: It would be hilarious if it was Rune, though. Let's see! 1D100 => 4 (uh oh)
     
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    That just means you're going to bring her back again, which I'm down for. Success.

    If a good roll means it was Rune than I can't even imagine what a crit fail is. But I'm sure it'll be something good.

    P.S. Did anyone catch invisitext? I didn't realize he's been using it. I'm looking.

    Now I'm imagining:
    1) Rune panicking and going off to find
    Panacea
    2) Panacea panics and they fight
    3) Third party show up
    4) ?!?!?!?!?!!!?????
    5) Rune and Panacea go on the run from the Empire after beating down Lung. More panicking.
    6) ?!??!?!!??!!?!!
    7) Panacea is now a dragon. They ABB are now the Marche restored.
     
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    Gino said:
    Now I'm imagining:
    1) Rune panicking and going off to find
    Panacea
    2) Panacea panics and they fight
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    That's actually a brilliant idea, Gino.

    Critfail == Rune is tired of all the rumors dogging her and tracks down Panacea so that she can actually get the catgirl mod everyone thinks she's hiding.

    (I wouldn't actually do this without a vote, BTW)
     
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    Yes, perfect test for the biosuit!
    New votes override the old, I will absolutely add that.

    [] Rune should go after Panacea for catgirl mods. Rune should totally turn out to be in the closet. Hijinks ensue.

    Let's just continue to spiral out of control.
    Panacea somehow ends up leading a new Marche with Rune, Purity and the remnants of the ABB after defeating Lung. Oni Lee and Bakuda may or may not be involved. Panacea could help his brain damage afterall.
     
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    I've been thinking about the next voting round, and that should include the dream about Blackwell. While I like how it expands Blackwell's character, I'm worried about whether it's true for this quest. If Taylor relies on the dream for dealing with Blackwell somehow and it turns out that Blackwell is really Fanon Blackwell, that will create mistrust towards the dreams and eventually Administrator.

    Am I overthinking this? I've been worrying about this for a while so I thought I'd share it with the thread and see what everyone else thinks.

    We should probably also check in with Shift in the next voting round so that she doesn't think we're deserting her. I didn't want to do it this round because she does need to learn to be more independent.
     
    Well as a shard maybe we can create some powers to use for ourselves? Like can we create a clairvoyance power and spy on people? We probably have to research for it but we could just risk a roll for it.

    But yes, let's change the Blackwell dream to something we know for sure is true. Skip to the next dream until we have something on her.

    P.S. Actually maybe we shouldn't talk to her after 7 days, but keep sending dreams until we're ready to trigger.
     
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    The original Blackwell dream is not meant to show Taylor how to deal with her, but rather deal with Taylor's issue with authority by confronting her with the exact opposite of her beliefs.

    With that way the dreams have changed to be more advice on how to handle an issue than confronting her that things might not be so black and white just because they're against her, it's not the best choice anymore.

    I'd suggest dreaming her up sending a copy of the Bully journals to the Protectorate with a cover letter that you know it's not their job, describing the stonewalling the teacher give, and suggesting that at this point she needs some authority figure but doesn't know who and figures if anyone can get the information to someone who can help, it's Armsmaster/ the Protectorate. Then have random suited guys from an unknown government agency replace Blackwell and transfer her to a different school.
     
    Thy PRT would absolutely think Taylor was a parahuman and totally knew Sophia was Shadow Stalker. And they would be technically correct. And that's if Coils moles don't intercept it and tell him that Taylor is probably a new parahuman who knows Sophia's identity.
     
    There's been some discussion of longer term research plans, so I thought I'd throw my hat in the ring:

    Plan Method Acting

    The goal of this plan is to put Administrator into a position where we can begin researching odd and abberant things as quickly and safely as possible. As such, it focuses on finishing Administrative Archeology and Stranger Danger ASAP, while also advancing further down the Economy tree and acquiring the Memetic Defenses that we need to do Administrative Archeology safely.

    Administrative Archeology is an incredibly potent source of future research plans, and will also give us a ton of insight into other powerful Core Shards, and into Zion himself. Additionally, finishing it will make us far more able to play the role of QA, which will be critical for any long term subversion/infiltration plans.

    Planned Actions, Week 1 (-200 Thinker)

    Slot 1
    Work on Focussed Research 1 (7 Days, ~ 733/900 Progress)

    Slot 2
    Finish Human Biology (+74 Progress, ~1 Day)
    Start Faster Research 2 (~6 Days, ~414/750 Progress)

    Planned Actions, Week 2 (-350 Thinker, -625 Tinker, -100 Master)

    Slot 1
    Finish Focussed Research 1 (+167 Progress, ~3 Days)
    Start Improved Research 1 (~1 Day, ~69/950 Progress)
    Work on Improved Research 1, Focussed (~3 Days, ~429/950 Progress)

    Slot 2
    Work on Faster Research 2 (~3 Days, ~621/750 Progress)
    Finish Faster Research 2, Focussed (+ ~129 Progress, ~1 Day)
    Start and Finish Memetic Proxy Filtering 1 (125 Research, ~2 Days)
    Start Memetic Proxy Filtering 2 (~ 1 Day, ~69/450 Research)

    Slot 3
    Start and Finish Multi-Host Connection 1 (~ 2 Days, 100/100 Research)
    Start Stabilize Trigger (~ 1 Day, ~69/850 Research)

    Planned Actions, Week 3 (-200 Master, -250 Stranger, -250 Tinker)

    Slot 1
    Finish Improved Research 1, Focussed (+521 Research, ~5 Days)
    Start and Finish Assume Direct Control 1, Focussed (~1 Day)
    Start Stranger Danger 1 (~1 Day, ~86/300 Research)

    Slot 2
    Work on Memetic Proxy Filtering 2 (~5 Days, ~414/450 Research)
    Finish Memetic Proxy Filtering 2 (~1 Day, +36 Research)
    Start Administrative Archeology, Focussed (~1 Day, ~137/1000 Research)

    Slot 3
    Work on Stabilize Trigger (~5 Days, ~414/850 Research)
    Work on Stabilize Trigger (~2 Days, ~586/850 Research)

    Planned Actions, Week 4 (-450 Thinker, -600 Tinker)

    Slot 1
    Finish Stranger Danger 1 (~3 Days, +214 Research)
    Start
    Start and Finish Basic Psionic Theory 1 (~2 Days, +100 Research)
    Start Shadows on the Wall (~2 Days, ~174/1350 Research)

    Slot 2
    Finish Administrative Archeology, Focussed (~7 Days, +863 Research)

    Slot 3
    Finish Stabilize Trigger (~3 Days, +264 Research)
    Start Basic Dimensional Theory 1 (~4 Days, ~348/500 Research)

    With Basic Dimensional Theory, Administrative Archeology, and Shadows on the Wall, Administrator should have an excellent idea of the true situation they're in, and will be able to make far more informed plans on how to proceed.

    With Administrative Archeology, Stranger Danger, and some Basic Psionics, they should be in a much, much better position to cover up any of their Abberant behaviour from both other shards and Zion.

    With the full Research suite, Administrator will be able to acquire any future skills of interest further down the skill trees far more rapidly.

    And with Multi-Host Connection, Stabilize Trigger, and Assume Direct Control, they'll be in a significantly better position when it comes to controlling the various human pieces on the chessboard, including Taylor.

    All of this can be done in about 5 Weeks, leaving around 3 free weeks before canon starts to adjust our plans and pick up anything particularly important still gated behind the current set of unlocks.
     
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