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Say Xentalos, since BungieOni brought it up, how long would it take us to make a god from scratch vs using the remains of the Fog Demon to speed up it's construction/birth?
Respect Your Elders v2 - Galactic Boogaloo [Warhammer Lizardmen Quest]
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Xantalos
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Dangit, missed this, apologies. You obviously can't know for sure, but are fairly certain the effects didn't ripple out into the wider Warp, since the battle took place in what basically amounted to the fog-daemon's personal sub-plane of the warp, which prevented a lot of the spectacle from echoing outwards.
Besides, spirit fights are always showy and over the top like that when powerful entities battle.
As I may have said before, I'm intending to use fillable meters like [0/1000] to track god construction progress. So while I can't give exact time or whatnot, I can give estimates on that - these are all potentially subject to minor change, but should stay in the same approximate range.
If you break it down and use its essence to build a god, it'll give something like 100 or 150 points.
If you turn it into the seed of a new god related to its existing domains, it'll give roughly 250 to 350 points I reckon, depending on how well the god concept fits to it.
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Same, there isn't much reason to worry about them. Right now the Orks are at most functionally a delay on our plans, for my worst case hypothetical. The Orks and Bugs keeping themselves occupied can also be easily encouraged. I'm not sure where you got Mag 3 for that ritual to kill a Warboss on the Northern continent. What I was thinking of was a simple Mag 1 ritual.
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Eh, that was my mistake, I'm so used to thinking of Geomatic Rituals as Web Mag +1 that I just automatically go to Mag 3 now a days. A Mag 1 would be fine I suppose.
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Yeah its a "done, boop, problem solved" kinda deal to be honest.
Now, using Geomancy on the southern continent with all the crazy psychic woojoo sounds like a bad idea because we have no idea what it would actually do besides probably the Geomancy bit. Luckily, we don't need to right now or for the foreseeable future.
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You just had to say something, didn't you.
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Oops...
TZEENTCH DON'T TAKE THAT AS ENCOURAGEMENT! *Shakes fist in the direction of Murphy*
Xantalos
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That'd actually be pretty interesting with the results that would have, you should totally do it.
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Could we just vote for it to be inversed / goodness then and have you pick domains? Tis more fun being surprised by the author also less control obsession from playerbase.
Id imagine Clarity / Alertness instead of Fatigue or fugue as example domains inversed?
(Not that I vote or anything, this quest concept is really just awesome. I cant wait to see first contact with hooman, hopefully lost colony.
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We have a hard limit on the number of Gods we can make for ourselves so I highly doubt that's going to happen.Could we just vote for it to be inversed / goodness then and have you pick domains? Tis more fun being surprised by the author also less control obsession from playerbase.
Id imagine Clarity / Alertness instead of Fatigue or fugue as example domains inversed?
(Not that I vote or anything, this quest concept is really just awesome. I cant wait to see first contact with hooman, hopefully lost colony.
Xantalos
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I could definitely come up with appropriate gods if you guys choose for me to do that, but I'd ordinarily leave it to you folk since you only get 10 of the things and it's an interesting opportunity to make some cool concepts. I figure it's an opportunity for the playerbase to get invested in the quest due to seeing things they've created in it, kinda like how I've tried to do with bioticgrunt's species.Could we just vote for it to be inversed / goodness then and have you pick domains? Tis more fun being surprised by the author also less control obsession from playerbase.
Id imagine Clarity / Alertness instead of Fatigue or fugue as example domains inversed?
(Not that I vote or anything, this quest concept is really just awesome. I cant wait to see first contact with hooman, hopefully lost colony.
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I'm down for this one. Though if I may make a suggestion for the non-specified-exploit-the-jungle action, maybe some kind of smaller, fast beasty we could use to make Skink light cavalry? Something that spits acid or poison or barbs or whatever, and can move around quickly? Maybe something that can climb, so we can make a Skink-Equivalent for goblin spider-riders?
Also, the last update was awesome Xantalos. This quest is the best thing ever.
I'm down for this one. Though if I may make a suggestion for the non-specified-exploit-the-jungle action, maybe some kind of smaller, fast beasty we could use to make Skink light cavalry? Something that spits acid or poison or barbs or whatever, and can move around quickly? Maybe something that can climb, so we can make a Skink-Equivalent for goblin spider-riders?
Also, the last update was awesome Xantalos. This quest is the best thing ever.
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YOU JUST HAD TO SAY SOMETHING!
(I'm laughing, over here.)
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there is only one choice, we must use the fog Deamon to create a anti-tzeentch Tzeentch to outwit Tzeentch with our own damn Tzeentch! only ours will have the ultimate goal of A) Defeating Chaos, B) Deciphering all knowledge and sorting them in the universe (also destroying and/or locking away any truly evil bullshit knowledge), and B) Ultimate mastery of the winds of magic.
Xantalos
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Hmm, you mean mantling them into a god as part of the creation process, Sigmar-style? I admit, I never actually thought of that, it's an interesting prospect.
Well, if you went fully onto that path you'd have a limited period where you had an incarnate god running around for you, maybe a turn or two, then they'd ascend to their place in the warp and you'd lose that hero unit. This would be after a buildup period where said hero gets stronger and stronger as the god completion meter gets closer to completion.
Heck, you could do that with a regular lizardman if you wanted, avoid losing the hero action. I'll likely have this gated behind Divine Template as an upgraded/alternate method for producing a god. Thanks for the idea!
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Omakes I plan to (hopefully) do, once I slay this Greater demon of procrastination.
If I do weapon ideas, do they have to follow a certain theme or what.
- An omake about Sotek's growing cult within lizardmen territory
- An omake about the Slann being hopeful about the future now that they've slightly loosened the grip of the Mind Fog
- A new creature omake describe a huge anaconda like creature. That or the basilisk from Harry Potter
- Indominus rex expy (not sorry)
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If I do weapon ideas, do they have to follow a certain theme or what.
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That would be hilarious, but I'd rather ascend him as a god of construction/architecture, instead of The Dead. Plus, I kinda would hate to lose our Hero Units like that, especially since we can make them actually immortal unless they get True Death'd somehow, in the late game.
Xantalos
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It's funny because procrastination is probably one of the methods the mind fog uses to ensnare the slann.
Not necessarily, but it would be beneficial if they could fit that sort of ... Ancient Aliens type vibe. Know what I mean? But even if I have to alter the ideas a little bit to work in-game, it'll still be okay.
Carnosaurs are basically already an Indominus expy in this quest, as an aside.
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But less memily, I don't see why one has to preclude the other. Especially if the Afterlife is something that is intentionally built. As for losing Hero Units, I don't see it that way. We aren't losing them. They're just able to apply their skills on a much larger field than they ever could as a Hero Unit. A single Unit can only help one city in a decade at this scale. Sure as our play scale increases so might the area they can affect, but a God affects our entire territory, especially in their domains. And well, as the scale increases, who's to say the time difference between turns won't also increase?
Xantalos
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I suspect the response to this will be along the lines of 'if we can both create a god and keep the hero unit, we should', or something like that. In any case, you'll be able to pull it off with a non-hero character too, so it's viable that way as well. The main downside to this method is that if the individual mantling the god is killed before the god is actually manifested, then your progress is mostly lost. On the upside, while they're around to affect the materium, the god unit becomes a very potent figure. And the god that's created via this method would be easier to call as an avatar later on.
But less memily, I don't see why one has to preclude the other. Especially if the Afterlife is something that is intentionally built. As for losing Hero Units, I don't see it that way. We aren't losing them. They're just able to apply their skills on a much larger field than they ever could as a Hero Unit. A single Unit can only help one city in a decade at this scale. Sure as our play scale increases so might the area they can affect, but a God affects our entire territory, especially in their domains. And well, as the scale increases, who's to say the time difference between turns won't also increase?
I'm not sure of how much the scale will increase as time goes on, but I don't think I'll go beyond maybe 50 years/turn at the high end.
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I'd have to think about it, but off the top of my head, the only god I'd want to ascend from a Mortal would be a God Of Heroism, since that being a purely artificially construction would likely be weaker then a ascended mortal, atleast in my opinion, compared to a mortal who actually carried the Mantle of Heroism around and exemplified it's themes.
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Eh... Honestly, the thought of a non-Hero Unit becoming a deity... Makes my inner Lore-Geek go... Why? If godhood was that easily obtained or given... then being a god looses significance in the setting to me. A possible exception to that would be a new character created from the ground up to become a god, (which I can totally see as something the Slann would do, and they are the only ones I'd trust to get it right) but to me at that point, the new character would be a Hero Unit anyway.
I'm probably not explaining my feelings about it all that well and it's just a personal opinion anyway.
(Though, Interestingly, I kinda see the two ways mortals become gods on the Person vs. Monster scale that we're dealing with for the Lizardmen. Hero Units intended to be Hero Units and later Ascending would be more Person. They are those who whose actions elevated them above the rank and file of their species, their role... Until they embodied what they would become. Gods that were ascended mortals created from the beginning to be a new god is much more like a monster. They had a purpose and their entire life was crafted around them fulfilling that purpose until they embodied it.)
I'm probably not explaining my feelings about it all that well and it's just a personal opinion anyway.
(Though, Interestingly, I kinda see the two ways mortals become gods on the Person vs. Monster scale that we're dealing with for the Lizardmen. Hero Units intended to be Hero Units and later Ascending would be more Person. They are those who whose actions elevated them above the rank and file of their species, their role... Until they embodied what they would become. Gods that were ascended mortals created from the beginning to be a new god is much more like a monster. They had a purpose and their entire life was crafted around them fulfilling that purpose until they embodied it.)