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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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egoo said:
No it isn't :V
I keep the track of a whole damn lot of stuff*, and with every month I don't get to results, I care less.
Heck, if we blow all of the sacrifices we have down the drain, and forego doing Dawn Age Tree at all...
I wouldn't give a fuck anymore! :o

I am mostly pushing for it out of previous commitment now.

So yeah, while someone's SoD may come in danger, my enjoyment does too. What a sad conundrum it is.

*way less than Duesal, of course, but it's not like he doesn't have something else to concentrate on if he doesn't get his fill from, say, research actions.
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Sorry. Hopefully when we finally get to the end of the project the update will be satisfying enough to make up for the wait.
 
Though this is a problem for the future It should be easier to finish projects if fields related to it were done before hand. For example if we were to make a earth planed weirwood for underground growing trees it should be easier than the fire planed one as the concepts, to a degree, would be the same.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Though this is a problem for the future It should be easier to finish projects if fields related to it were done before hand. For example if we were to make a earth planed weirwood for underground growing trees it should be easier than the fire planed one as the concepts, to a degree, would be the same.
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I disagree. I think that the concepts are metaphysically very different, in fact.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Okay different planes but still under the field of hybridization. I'm just saying it would be easier in some ways as proof of concept does exist already and they know some of what works and what doesn't.
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Or it could be even harder, if the secrets of Fire lead them down false trails when they should have been doing things completely differently to master the secrets of Earth or Water.
QM's decision. It could go both ways. That's why we have dice.

I support TNE and think that research has been going very fast indeed on major projects like this. DP made research faster because back then we had trouble identifying magic items, but the kind of fundamental research we're doing these days shouldn't be this fast.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Or it could be even harder, if the secrets of Fire lead them down false trails when they should have been doing things completely differently to master the secrets of Earth or Water.
QM's decision. It could go both ways. That's why we have dice.

I support TNE and think that research has been going very fast indeed on major projects like this. DP made research faster because back then we had trouble identifying magic items, but the kind of fundamental research we're doing these days shouldn't be this fast.
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While I disagree with both of you I will concede as I feel neither of us will get the other to budge on their opinion on the matter. That and I am screwing myself by not doing my project. Hopefully the other aspects of the quest help me ignore this part for me.
 
Research is going at a good pace in my opinion. We have the base knowledge to work with, PC level researchers and custom made researchers, a ton of undergrades to throw at the problem and the wealth of an empire to throw at the problem.

If it goes any faster then things will start to look weird, but I don't think it needs to slow down either.
 
I'm okay with really major stuff taking a long time. The quest already moves at a breakneck pace, and just as many people were as put off by that as are the people complaining about the change.
 
We have things like Draconic racial memories, the ability to ask the Gods or just go shopping for books in the Planes. Of course our research goes fast, if anyone's ever done it before we can just crib it from them.
 
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065tdsa said:
We have things like Draconic racial memories, the ability to ask the Gods or just go shopping for books in the Planes. Of course our research goes fast, if anyone's ever done it before we can just crib it from them.
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The thing is, I'm pretty damn sure no one had come up with a way to make Weirwoods fireproof. The Old Gods definitely would have always been real damn interested in taking away one of their major weaknesses, but in the thousands upon thousands of years they've existed, many of those in an Era of higher magic-access to other planes and all, nothing has popped up. Yet we're apparently 1/4 of the way done in a month.

If it was so damn easy and relatively quick why the hell hasn't anyone else tried or finished yet? It's not like "our trees are very important and very flammable. How can we the fix the latter?" is some amazingly novel thought that feasibly only Viserys would come up with. We have Epic level data and researchers, but permenantly altering a vital part of a godly hivemand to remove a major weakness is like Epic ++.

I'm not even touching how big of a fucking deal being able to grow easily harvestable, no killing or capture needed, fiend blood/essence in industrial amounts is. I think it's cool we're going for both of these but it's like the expecting to go from the Renaissance to Space Race in a year if you toss Newton, Tesla, Einstein, whoever else at it at once.
 
A_Somebody said:
The thing is, I'm pretty damn sure no one had come up with a way to make Weirwoods fireproof. The Old Gods definitely would have always been real damn interested in taking away one of their major weaknesses, but in the thousands upon thousands of years they've existed, many of those in an Era of higher magic-access to other planes and all, nothing has popped up. Yet we're apparently 1/4 of the way done in a month.

If it was so damn easy and relatively quick why the hell hasn't anyone else tried or finished yet? It's not like "our trees are very important and very flammable. How can we the fix the latter?" is some amazingly novel thought that feasibly only Viserys would come up with. We have Epic level data and researchers, but permenantly altering a vital par of a godly hivemand to remove a major weakness is like Epic ++.

I'm not even touching how big of a fucking deal being able to grow easily harvestable, so killing or capture needed, fiend blood/essence in industrial amounts is. I think it's cool we're going for both of these but it's like the expecting to go from the Renaissance to Space Race in a year if you toss Newton, Tesla, Einstein, whoever else at it at once.
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If I had to guess, the Old Gods know everything there's to know about Weirwoods, but they don't do fleshsmithing like the Valyrians (and let's spend a moment to remember the Valyrians got their knowledge of that from who-knows-what from the Far Realm), so altering the species like that wasn't in the cards for them at all.
 
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The thing is, I'm pretty damn sure no one had come up with a way to make Weirwoods fireproof. The Old Gods definitely would have always been real damn interested in taking away one of their major weaknesses, but in the thousands upon thousands of years they've existed, many of those in an Era of higher magic-access to other planes and all, nothing has popped up. Yet we're apparently 1/4 of the way done in a month.

If it was so damn easy and relatively quick why the hell hasn't anyone else tried or finished yet? It's not like "our trees are very important and very flammable. How can we the fix the latter?" is some amazingly novel thought that feasibly only Viserys would come up with. We have Epic level data and researchers, but permenantly altering a vital part of a godly hivemand to remove a major weakness is like Epic ++.

I'm not even touching how big of a fucking deal being able to grow easily harvestable, no killing or capture needed, fiend blood/essence in industrial amounts is. I think it's cool we're going for both of these but it's like the expecting to go from the Renaissance to Space Race in a year if you toss Newton, Tesla, Einstein, whoever else at it at once.
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Exactly this. Even if our research seems slow, it is actually blindingly fast by any reasonable measure of progress. We're leveraging custom-made researchers, a Heart Tree specifically made to facilitate enhanced research, and power capable of warping the fabric of existence itself to do it. If it takes three months to iron a new crease in reality, well then it takes three months.
 
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I'm not even touching how big of a fucking deal being able to grow easily harvestable, no killing or capture needed, fiend blood/essence in industrial amounts is. I think it's cool we're going for both of these but it's like the expecting to go from the Renaissance to Space Race in a year if you toss Newton, Tesla, Einstein, whoever else at it at once.
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It won't be free real state fiend blood, it should act as a thinner of sorts. Makes what we have go further.

That's the impression I got, anyway.

But I agree, a great many of our projects are ridiculously bullshit, and anyone can stack sufficient low level buffs to have epic checks if they put their minds to it.

Which begs the question of what the major planar empires have been doing.

Either they are absurdly scarier than we thought, and we haven't seen a thing yet, or they are absurdly stupid.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
It won't be free real state fiend blood, it should act as a thinner of sorts. Makes what we have go further.

That's the impression I got, anyway.

But I agree, a great many of our projects are ridiculously bullshit, and anyone can stack sufficient low level buffs to have epic checks if they put their minds to it.

Which begs the question of what the major planar empires have been doing.
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I'm pretty sure one of the big deals is we're kinda cheating, because we got the forbidden knowledge from Valyria without paying the horrible prices that led to the Doom. The Planar powers aren't summoning mysterious aberrations and carrying out horrible experiments because they are simply not desperate enough, not like the Valyrians were.
 
065tdsa said:
I'm pretty sure one of the big deals is we're kinda cheating, because we got the forbidden knowledge from Valyria without paying the horrible prices that led to the Doom. The Planar powers aren't summoning mysterious aberrations and carrying out horrible experiments because they are simply not desperate enough, not like the Valyrians were.
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I'd buy we could be cheating... If the comparison wasn't a society of beings with Wish as SLA.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I'd buy we could be cheating... If the comparison wasn't a society of beings with Wish as SLA.
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Like I said, they are not desperate enough. For example, they don't casually use wishcraft for everything, because they know that has consequences and they actually plan to live long enough that they'll have to deal with consequences.

Same reason why they don't go for deals with Fiends or Aberrations for more power. The planar powers have enough, and even those who want even more like the Sultan of Brass prefer to take their time, because they have time. The Sultan wants Godhood, but he's not in such a rush that he'll confront a giant godly avatar and try to drink it's blood for power like the Fourteen did, he feels no need to make a huge gamble.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
It won't be free real state fiend blood, it should act as a thinner of sorts. Makes what we have go further.

That's the impression I got, anyway.

But I agree, a great many of our projects are ridiculously bullshit, and anyone can stack sufficient low level buffs to have epic checks if they put their minds to it.

Which begs the question of what the major planar empires have been doing.

Either they are absurdly scarier than we thought, and we haven't seen a thing yet, or they are absurdly stupid.
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Whose to say that the big extraplanar powers aren't the end result of fifty thousand years of bio-magical super eugenics? After all, immortal spirit beings capable of granting Wishes probably didn't spring up from nowhere. What we should be worried about is whoever engineered a reality-warping slave race in the first place showing back up.
 
Well I handed in my project. Back to the thread

Wishcraft has some rather interesting effects on the world. It's one thing to mimic spells like we use blood wish for. It is another to do research, especially around epic level stuff. Also if any project takes about a year I will bet you we will not touch it, no matter the benefits. I mean aren't we stomping Westeros next month or some shit. We move too damm fast for a year long investments to be worth a damm...unless we do a time skip. A couple months isn't too bad though.

It also makes a certain amount of sense considering the sources we are drawing from. An epic level civilization and the gestalt of thousands of sages, wizards, builders and craftsman across millennia from the dawn age to now are our sources. I would be satisfied if we finished the trees next month ( because we probably can afford to move researchers from projects almost done...like the whale and put them elsewhere) or the month after. Hell we get more sacrifices for the tree so win-win really. Still hoping for earth planed trees and water planed trees for Xorn and Abberation reasons. All planes trees is the main goal for me.
 
Duesal said:
Alright, so Relath's halfdragon kids are useless for the foreseeable quest.
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Nobody seemed too enthused with my plans to use a Greater Demiplane with a doubled passage of time for crafting purposes, so I really doubt I would get much traction if I suggested we attempt to create a Greater Demiplane within which time flows 16 times faster than normal in order to raise the Half-Dragon babies to a useful age...
 
Goldfish said:
Nobody seemed too enthused with my plans to use a Greater Demiplane with a doubled passage of time for crafting purposes, so I really doubt I would get much traction if I suggested we attempt to create a Greater Demiplane within which time flows 16 times faster than normal in order to raise the Half-Dragon babies to a useful age...
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I am for it but I got a question. Do our mages get levels from being craft bots? I don't think they would but just making sure.

Edit: Shut up lockingbane I am tired and my brain stopped working as soon as I handed my project in.
 
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Goldfish said:
Whose to say that the big extraplanar powers aren't the end result of fifty thousand years of bio-magical super eugenics? After all, immortal spirit beings capable of granting Wishes probably didn't spring up from nowhere. What we should be worried about is whoever engineered a reality-warping slave race in the first place showing back up.
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You never know, it might actually just be exactly like that. The planes are a very big and old place after all.
 
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