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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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soulcake said:
I'm hitting myself because none of this could possibly happen if we had picked a metacolor that works with TREES. just a tiny bit of vote regret.

oh well.
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Since we literally had no idea what each color was good for, and a lot of people actually thought green would be good for trees, such regret is not really rational.

We still do not know if any light works on non self aware entities, let alone what other colors do, as far as I am aware at least.
 
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soulcake said:
My only concern would be creating literal subspeciation amongst the populace.
@Academia Nut apologies if this has been asked, but do we know if metagreen is inheritable? Whether its effects would compound if the child of someone exposed to metagreen also was exposed? Hell, pregnant women exposed to metagreen? Both before, during and after pregnancy? Or is that something we'll have to find out through trial and error?

God help me I do not want an ubermensch mentality forming.

Not want. Not want.

I'm hitting myself because none of this could possibly happen if we had picked a metacolor that works with TREES. just a tiny bit of vote regret.

oh well.
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Teach all our troops to read. Give them metagreen enhancement. They are smarter, stronger, better.


But pound into their heads that they are better because THEY GOT MADE BETTER, not something stupid like genetics.

Anyone can become Galvymaryn. Anyone can be reforged into a better person. Through work ore is smelted into steel. Through effort barren soil is tilled into farmsteds. Through the Duel Crown Army lesser men are forged into Ubermench!
 
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wingstrike96 said:
It worked for hiding radar.
We should credit vodka.

Magic vodka
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As funny as that is, I actually want to head off drug use for recreation among all classes as much as posible.

With matagreen reacting negativly to intoxicants there is a chance for us to curb the worst of the massive drug and alchohol problems the 1900s experienced.

I want alchohol to be something enjoyed in moderation, not something to get shitfaced drunk with.
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
As funny as that is, I actually want to head off drug use for recreation among all classes as much as posible.

With matagreen reacting negativly to intoxicants there is a chance for us to curb the worst of the massive drug and alchohol problems the 1900s experienced.

I want alchohol to be something enjoyed in moderation, not something to get shitfaced drunk with.
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Its the opposite since you can't be drunk while Metalighting.
Maybe we can credit the potato chips and milk we need to feed out 2m tall giants, and laugh while the people without giants get fat.
 
Just an odd thought about rifles and metagreen.

A bigger bolt action rifle isn't more lethal than a smaller bolt action rifle. A bullet generally at least mission kills if it cleanly hits the torso, head, or limb of the target regardless.

The advantage of bigger rifles is two fold. First, a bigger rifle can hold a longer barrel with a larger powder charge. The bullet fired goes much faster and much further and maintains it's spin for more of it's path.

This means the larger rifle is longer range.

Second, with large weapons a reality we may see the millitary use of shotguns.

Seriously, think of the shock and awe of a line of men wielding 8 guage shotguns billed to have a horizontal spread and loaded with 00 buckshot.

12 to 20 of those troops would make charging their position as deadly as charging into the maw of a grapeshot cannon that fires once every 3 seconds.
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
Just an odd thought about rifles and metagreen.

A bigger bolt action rifle isn't more lethal than a smaller bolt action rifle. A bullet generally at least mission kills if it cleanly hits the torso, head, or limb of the target regardless.

The advantage of bigger rifles is two fold. First, a bigger rifle can hold a longer barrel with a larger powder charge. The bukket fired goes much faster and much further and maintains it's spin for more of it's path.

This means the larger rifle is longer range.

Second, with large weapons a reality we may see the millitary use of shotguns.

Seriously, think of the shock and awe of a line of men wielding 8 guage shotguns billed to have a horizontal spread and loaded with 00 buckshot.

12 to 20 of those troops would make charging their position as deadly as charging into the maw of a grapeshot cannon that fires once every 3 seconds.
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Or actually having a shotgun pistol as a backup weapon.

It was experimented with in WW1 to break charges, and was dropped mainly because of recoil, while a rifle and a shotgun were too bulky to carry easily at the same time.

Our troops could carry a rifle for regular engagements and be strong and bulky enough to use a shotgun pistol as well.
 
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Or posibly an underslung double barrled sawed off shotgun in place of a bayonett in much the way modern millitaries have underslung gernade launchers or moder swat has the master key shotgun.

Have it break down 90+ degrees and load the rounds in from the front, then snap the barrels back into position.

Imagine knowing your charge would be met with Bang Boom Boom of rifle volley, shotgun blast volley, shotgun blast volley without any stop to reload.
 
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soulcake said:
apologies if this has been asked, but do we know if metagreen is inheritable? Whether its effects would compound if the child of someone exposed to metagreen also was exposed? Hell, pregnant women exposed to metagreen? Both before, during and after pregnancy? Or is that something we'll have to find out through trial and error?
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No idea. It would take a good generation to figure out, because there is no growth affect on adults, and children need repeated exposure to get the effect. Given resource dynamics, it will pretty much only be the upper classes who can afford to have regular access to the equipment for years through their development stages and during pregnancy.

From some of the side experiments that the scientists have not really been open about the metagreen probably doesn't have an affect on pregnant women. On a pregnant woman who has had long term exposure to metagreen through much of her life? That will have to wait quite some time, especially since the primary test subjects are not people that anyone will want to risk a miscarriage with.
 
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Academia Nut said:
No idea. It would take a good generation to figure out, because there is no growth affect on adults, and children need repeated exposure to get the effect. Given resource dynamics, it will pretty much only be the upper classes who can afford to have regular access to the equipment for years through their development stages and during pregnancy.

From some of the side experiments that the scientists have not really been open about the metagreen probably doesn't have an affect on pregnant women. On a pregnant woman who has had long term exposure to metagreen through much of her life? That will have to wait quite some time, especially since the primary test subjects are not people that anyone will want to risk a miscarriage with.
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So you are saying research metagreen training, decrease the conscription age to 12 and turn the first term in the army into a mix if highschool and boot camp.

Train and learn basic reading and math from age 12 to 18. Graduate a litterate giant of a ubermench.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
So you are saying research metagreen training, decrease the conscription age to 12 and turn the first term in the army into a mix if highschool and boot camp.

Train and learn basic reading and math from age 12 to 18. Graduate a litterate giant of a ubermench.
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Possibly, but it will be expensive as fuck to set up with your current tech level. Like, probably not currently viable and will require a few generations to get there.
 
tenchifew said:
Not unexpected.
This said, keeping at developing meta green to eventually make it widely available is something I very much am interested in.



25 years usually.
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With metagreen medicin I suspect we will likely see the age of our average population jump significantly and for the productive years of that population to jump even more.

One of the major killers in old age is just your body's natural healing slowing down. Muscle mass decreases, bones become fragile, and you otherwise become weaker and frail. Your weakness causes you to not be physically capable of task and makes hurting yourself much easier, hurts you don't recover from easily.

Metagreen may suspend this downward trend. Monthly treatments may allow people in their 60-80's maintain their muscle mass and bone density throughout their elder years. People may maintain physical capability into their 80's.

There will be a sharp decline eventually, but I would not be suprised if our nobility are seen as "ever young" well into their 50's and 60's. They may look 30 at 50 and 40 at 70, then 50 at 80 and 70 at 90 before suddenly declining at 100+ when the body just truely gives up.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
With metagreen medicin I suspect we will likely see the age of our average population jump significantly and for the productive years of that population to jump even more.

One of the major killers in old age is just your body's natural healing slowing down. Muscle mass decreases, bones become fragile, and you otherwise become weaker and frail. Your weakness causes you to not be physically capable of task and makes hurting yourself much easier, hurts you don't recover from easily.

Metagreen may suspend this downward trend. Monthly treatments may allow people in their 60-80's maintain their muscle mass and bone density throughout their elder years. People may maintain physical capability into their 80's.

There will be a sharp decline eventually, but I would not be suprised if our nobility are seen as "ever young" well into their 50's and 60's. They may look 30 at 50 and 40 at 70, then 50 at 80 and 70 at 90 before suddenly declining at 100+ when the body just truely gives up.
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Hmmm...
Is Nokly getting the treatments?

Since we just might see the results very soon if he does.
 
tenchifew said:
Hmmm...
Is Nokly getting the treatments?

Since we just might see the results very soon if he does.
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Heart attacks seem like sudden killers, but they are actually something that normally progresses through a pretty typical degredation pattern.

Minor heart problems, little things likely unnoticed, happen frequently enough that the body can't recover between events. This causes damage that leads to minor heart attacks that pass as moments of weakness or random chest pain or numbness.

This causes more damage build up until the whole system suddenly fails.

Metagreen healing may stop or at least significantly delay heart failure decay.
 
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