@Citino is right.

VOTE
[X] [Yenyna] Royal Military Academy - While somewhat unorthodox, as the Haddyth she shall be the leader of armies, so full training now would be most appropriate
[X] [Science] Collaborate with extra funding (-1 temp SoL, boost Science research, Kielmyr gain significant information on Spectroscopy, significantly boost chemistry knowledge for both groups, small chance of metalight knowledge leaking)


REASONING
The military is the single most egalitarian institution in DC culture.
It's the only place where our princess is likely to meet immigrants and citizens, peasants and noblemen, urban workers and farmers, on anything nearing their own setting. Which allows her to talk to people and build connections in different strata outside the noble class.

Furthermore, much of the necessities for modern military logistics at this point in time happen to also be civilian priorities as well; rail, telegraph, shipping. It also sets an example of service for much of the rest of the country, which is important for maintaining a sense of national identity.
And finally, it slips a foot in the door for female suffrage.

The actual military benefits, of refreshing the knowledge of the royal family at a time that the military is undergoing a revolution, is almost an afterthought.


Antiquities is the sort of thing you leave to the second or third child to pursue; for a pseudo-constitutional monarchy, you want to breed a sense of duty into the nobility. And to be seen to be dutiful.

You leave new political theories to political scientists
I would keep Yenyna in court only if her father was ailing.
It won't be a bad deal for Nokly to abdicate in ten years or so in good health, to write bad poetry, enjoy his wife and dote on grandkids.


The problem with letting risking the Kiel near Metalight isn't so much that it will leak to them, but that it might leak farther.
To the Sketch, depending on how thoroughly they have them penetrated.
Admittedly, the Kiel have to be pretty good at keeping their industrial secrets secret, so there is a low risk of that. Still there.

Still, there's synergy from sharing. And given our grunt, we benefit pretty well from getting stuff into mass production.


OTHER
Inorganic Chemistry is about to give a significant boost to our Steel Industry, which translates to Rails. Which translates to IC.
Which brings Suez closer.

Cheap Aluminium suggests that the Kiel might actually have electricity. RL Russia and Kazakhstan combined are approximately the 6th largest producers of bauxite in the world (no 1 is Australia)
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[X] [Yenyna] University of Redshore - As the inheritor to a most political position, perhaps being at the forefront of political thought and discussion would be valuable
 
[X] [Yenyna] University of Redshore - As the inheritor to a most political position, perhaps being at the forefront of political thought and discussion would be valuable
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Forefront of political thought and discussion is not the same thing as learning how to run the current Empire.
You want to learn politics and diplomacy as currently practiced, stay in court. You want to try to invent new political movements, good or bad, go to Redshore.

And I will point out that going to what may be considered an ivory tower is not going to do much for the her standing with the general population.
 
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The Dual Monarchy had become a somewhat bloody minded lot over the past hundred years, and their art reflected an increased desire for the glory of war and bloodshed not seen a hundred years ago. Perhaps it was that they no longer felt confident that sheer size and numbers would get others to back off, and that they had to take a more aggressive stance? Only now the common worker had military training and might wonder why he could not solve his problems like he had in the army?
If only. A man can dream.....
 
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Forefront of political thought and discussion is not the same thing as learning how to run the current Empire.
You want to learn politics and diplomacy as currently practiced, stay in court. You want to try to invent new political movements, good or bad, go to Redshore.

And I will point out that going to what may be considered an ivory tower is not going to do much for the her standing with the general population.
Really have to wonder what makes people think the university that spent the past decade on economic theory and art would actually teach governance....its the option where you get her in touch with some new fads in social theory(i.e. this is where you have nobles joining a republican/socialist revolution IRL, and Nokly was himself nearly one of those)
 
[] [Yenyna] Royal Museum of Antiquities - This exciting new field of old things is both prestigious and sufficiently traditional to be a good fit for royalty
[X] [Yenyna] University of Redshore - As the inheritor to a most political position, perhaps being at the forefront of political thought and discussion would be valuable
[X] [Yenyna] Royal Military Academy - While somewhat unorthodox, as the Haddyth she shall be the leader of armies, so full training now would be most appropriate
 
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Forefront of political thought and discussion is not the same thing as learning how to run the current Empire.
You want to learn politics and diplomacy as currently practiced, stay in court. You want to try to invent new political movements, good or bad, go to Redshore.

And I will point out that going to what may be considered an ivory tower is not going to do much for the her standing with the general population.
Isn't the current political thought is ruling a hegemonic empire with alliances and having a controlling stake in a foreign nation's economy at this time and Redshore is researching it. So it is practically the time to put her to Redshore to rule the current realities of the empire and maybe be one of the students who might create a thesis of Economic Paternalism that is finally a fully realized concept of our political efforts.
 
And I will point out that going to what may be considered an ivory tower is not going to do much for the her standing with the general population.

But which of these options improve her standing with the general population? It doens't matter which school she goes to for that because the security will be so tight the general pop will never really even see her.
 
But which of these options improve her standing with the general population? It doens't matter which school she goes to for that because the security will be so tight the general pop will never really even see her.
Military improves her standing the most, because military service becomes something they have in common with her. Plus it's likely to put her in contact with soldiers in her day to day life, whereas politcal school is, as put above, more an Ivory Tower type place, and as such not a place your average civilian can really get behind.
 
Military improves her standing the most, because military service becomes something they have in common with her. Plus it's likely to put her in contact with soldiers in her day to day life, whereas politcal school is, as put above, more an Ivory Tower type place, and as such not a place your average civilian can really get behind.
And then we have a militarist monarch who'll make our culture even more militaristic. At some point, that's going to blow up.

Also, I have to laugh at the fact that you think a monarch isn't some kind of Ivory Tower elitist.
 
But which of these options improve her standing with the general population? It doens't matter which school she goes to for that because the security will be so tight the general pop will never really even see her.

General population would be military hands down. Followed distantly by Archeology(mostly because its the current fad, prestigious and newsworthy, so its celebrity material)
 
Also, I have to laugh at the fact that you think a monarch isn't some kind of Ivory Tower elitist.
That is very clearly not what Citino said. They were talking about the service, not the person. Military service gives the common folk something they can identify with in their ruler because they too went through military training. The fact that she was born with an aluminum spoon in her mouth isn't the point.
 
Really have to wonder what makes people think the university that spent the past decade on economic theory and art would actually teach governance....its the option where you get her in touch with some new fads in social theory(i.e. this is where you have nobles joining a republican/socialist revolution IRL, and Nokly was himself nearly one of those)
Spacebattlers/SVers.
We like education, and we have our biases.

Isn't the current political thought is ruling a hegemonic empire with alliances and having a controlling stake in a foreign nation's economy at this time and Redshore is researching it. So it is practically the time to put her to Redshore to rule the current realities of the empire and maybe be one of the students who might create a thesis of Economic Paternalism that is finally a fully realized concept of our political efforts.
Political theory is sometimes cooked up in universities; more often in salons and meetings.
It tells you nothing about how it would work in practice.
Exhibit A: Communism.

But which of these options improve her standing with the general population? It doens't matter which school she goes to for that because the security will be so tight the general pop will never really even see her.
Military. Hands down.
Every male citizen serves, so having the future Empress do so as well solidifies both the reputation of the royal family, and gives her personally a boost as she prepares for a difficult job.

She doesn't get the solidarity boost Nokly did when his father was assassinated, and she is the first Empress in a long time.
She could benefit from stacking the decks in her favor.
Especially since she is also marrying a foreign man.

There is a reason why every male member of the British Royal family has served a term of service in the military, and it's not because the British military services are short of men.
 
She doesn't get the solidarity boost Nokly did when his father was assassinated, and she is the first Empress in a long time.
She's actually the first Empress, period. The law is on the books because way back when it looked like it might be necessary to have one, but they managed to pull out a male heir before they got stuck with one, so Yenyna will be the first.

With all that entails.
 
And then we have a militarist monarch who'll make our culture even more militaristic. At some point, that's going to blow up.
It behooves me to point out that some of the more peacenik leaders you have are the ones who were military, who understand what the military is for, and what it is not. And who are sparing with the lives of their men.

Furthermore, war is about to undergo a quantum shift in paradigms, with the mass deployment of breechloading rifles and rapidfire artillery.
Getting a monarch who understands the new weapon systems, who will not make the mistakes of the WW1 generals is actually an important consideration in the conflicts to come.

Especially since the monarch still wields considerable executive power.
Also, I have to laugh at the fact that you think a monarch isn't some kind of Ivory Tower elitist.
That is precisely why you should want her to spend time in the military, which is acknowledged by everyone not to be an Ivory Tower institution.
Where she'll actually meet non-nobles for more than a handful of minutes at a time.
And might actually talk about their concerns in passing.

As opposed to Archeology or Politics SocSci University, which at this point in history is primarily a rich person's hobby. Not going to meet many poor people digging for Ymaryn relics, no matter how prestigious they are.

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I question why Yenya should be going to the Military Academy since the cadets in the academy are nobles vetted for their loyalty and trained for competency which is an already loyal base of power since conscripts should need to even be vetted for loyalty to the Crown first and foremost to become officers in the higher echelons of our military which might not be possible unless they're as literate as a noble or a son of an industrialist there is no way get out of that glass ceiling unless we have education initiatives which we put off for a stronger fleet.
 
[X] [Yenyna] Royal Military Academy - While somewhat unorthodox, as the Haddyth she shall be the leader of armies, so full training now would be most appropriate
[X] [Yenyna] Royal Museum of Antiquities - This exciting new field of old things is both prestigious and sufficiently traditional to be a good fit for royalty
[X] [Science] Collaborate with extra funding (-1 temp SoL, boost Science research, Kielmyr gain significant information on Spectroscopy, significantly boost chemistry knowledge for both groups, small chance of metalight knowledge leaking)
 
I question why Yenya should be going to the Military Academy since the cadets in the academy are nobles vetted for their loyalty and trained for competency which is an already loyal base of power since conscripts should need to even be vetted for loyalty to the Crown first and foremost to become officers in the higher echelons of our military which might not be possible unless they're as literate as a noble or a son of an industrialist there is no way get out of that glass ceiling unless we have education initiatives which we put off for a stronger fleet.
I'd suggest actually reading other people's posts if you want to see why the military academy is useful then, because I and several other people have posted numerous examples of why it is useful, including, but not limited to:

1. Military connections among the best and brightest, allowing Yenyna to hand pick her future generals
2. Appealing to the common man, as Yenyna would then have a shared experience
3. The military puts her in contact with our lower classes the most of any of the choices
4. Female Service in the military becomes a possibility, and thus opens up a potential path for female citizenship
5. Gives her an understanding of the ever changing tactics and weapons of war in an era that will be consumed by war
6. We can make Dragon General jokes
 
Out of all the options I believe that the going to the military university is the worst one. I don't like red shore but it has the best chance of beating out the military university so that is what I voted for. I would much prefer archaeology because that is such a fun field.

Reasons that the military university is a bad choice in my opinion.
1. It states that it is unorthodox. This means that people that value orthodoxy will not like it. Off the top of my head I don't know how many people that will be. However I think I can safely state that it will not be an insignificant minority.
2. Being a military officer needs a lot of math. We are rapidly coming to the age or are in the age where math controls warfare. Firing angles for artillery. Resources for troops. Calculating movement for troop formations. Finding out where you are relaying on maps. All of this takes math an AN has stated Yenyna doesn't like math. This does not seem like a good fit with all the math that is needed.
3. Militarism is not a great thing. We have been fighting almost constantly for this quest. Lets take a breather and show the other countries of the world that we don't expect or want to keep fighting. We can do this by putting our heir into anyplace that is not a military university. If we put our heir there then that is a heavy signal to other countries that we think military knowledge will be useful for our heir. That throws up alarms. Countries that are alarmed will go to a worst case situation (the duel crown is acting maliciously against them) and go to war far easier than otherwise.
 
I question why Yenya should be going to the Military Academy since the cadets in the academy are nobles vetted for their loyalty and trained for competency which is an already loyal base of power since conscripts should need to even be vetted for loyalty to the Crown first and foremost to become officers in the higher echelons of our military which might not be possible unless they're as literate as a noble or a son of an industrialist there is no way get out of that glass ceiling unless we have education initiatives which we put off for a stronger fleet.
None of that is true.

When we say the DC military is mostly egalitarian, we mean it. It's not a parking spot for noble scions, and though nobility have an edge for high rank, there is nowhere enough hereditary nobility in the DC to fill the ranks of lieutenants and captains. If they were all hereditary nobility, for one thing, most of our officers would know how to read, instead of this being a RnD option: Universal Officer Literacy (23/60-80?) [Military][Initiative][Open]

Vetting? Where? How? That's not how nineteenth century military recruitment works.
How the fuck do you expect to manage it in a country where the photograph was only just invented by the notFrench and the telegraph does not exist?
 
[X] [Yenyna] Royal Museum of Antiquities - This exciting new field of old things is both prestigious and sufficiently traditional to be a good fit for royalty
[X] [Science] Collaborate with extra funding (-1 temp SoL, boost Science research, Kielmyr gain significant information on Spectroscopy, significantly boost chemistry knowledge for both groups, small chance of metalight knowledge leaking)
 
1. It states that it is unorthodox.
Not sure why you think this is supposed to be a criticism.
We need to change or we will stagnate.

2. Being a military officer needs a lot of math.
No it doesn't. Not even today.
Keeping track of men and supplies is not calculus.

3. Militarism is not a great thing.
Literally two of our longterm foreign relations objectives involve kicking the Nohon out of Khyberia and then out of Hung; we're not going to do that by talking nicely.Both objectives require an engaged and adept armed forces, and a population that supports them.
Similarly, we export our military trainers to other nations, as one of our major trade goods and the first wedge of DC diplomacy.

And then there are the guns, which are the other major trade good we are known for.
 
Out of all the options I believe that the going to the military university is the worst one. I don't like red shore but it has the best chance of beating out the military university so that is what I voted for. I would much prefer archaeology because that is such a fun field.

Reasons that the military university is a bad choice in my opinion.
1. It states that it is unorthodox. This means that people that value orthodoxy will not like it. Off the top of my head I don't know how many people that will be. However I think I can safely state that it will not be an insignificant minority.
2. Being a military officer needs a lot of math. We are rapidly coming to the age or are in the age where math controls warfare. Firing angles for artillery. Resources for troops. Calculating movement for troop formations. Finding out where you are relaying on maps. All of this takes math an AN has stated Yenyna doesn't like math. This does not seem like a good fit with all the math that is needed.
3. Militarism is not a great thing. We have been fighting almost constantly for this quest. Lets take a breather and show the other countries of the world that we don't expect or want to keep fighting. We can do this by putting our heir into anyplace that is not a military university. If we put our heir there then that is a heavy signal to other countries that we think military knowledge will be useful for our heir. That throws up alarms. Countries that are alarmed will go to a worst case situation (the duel crown is acting maliciously against them) and go to war far easier than otherwise.
1. Conservatives would be opposed, however this is somewhat softened by making her more appealing to them by allowing them to form connections with her through the young and upcoming officers that tend to join the Conservatives. This then means that military school potentially gives them more influence over her, meaning that while they might outwardly wince, it will be offset by the fact that it gives them a chance to influence her. Thus, the factions most likely to make trouble are paradoxically least likely to want to stop her from doing so.

2. That was actually a shot by AN at @Lailoken and his desire for Yenyna to become our Ada and help make a computer. It has nothing to do with the military.

3. We are going to be at war no matter what we do. This is not an era that you can just get people to lay down their arms and peacefully talk it out. This is an era where armies will clash to gain dominance. We've always fought to keep the fires outside our territory, and that's not going to change unless you want us to commit suicide. Literally the only way we can avoid war would be to abandon our allies and go full Hung.

Which is bad.

Plus you vastly overstate the effect that this will have on other nation's view of us. It's common practice for the royal family to spend time in the military. Nokly did his stint and nobody batted an eye.
 
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