Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

DakkaMania · Jun 4, 2018

@Academia Nut

AFAIK we got some Wyrmyn pieces in the peace deal.

Did they contain any loot? Did they affect the Conquered Minority timer?

VoidZero · Jun 4, 2018

[X] International Politics
[X] [Security] 0 PW - Keep digging (-1 temp Espionage, internal security sweep continues)
Rail company can be started by the political parties, that way liberals can get business and royalist get crown Corp.

Oshha · Jun 4, 2018

[X] International Politics
[X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II

masterofmadness · Jun 4, 2018

[X] [Security] 0 PW - Exile some rabble rousers to Kyberi (-1 temp Consciousness, -1 temp Militancy, Settle Kyberi action used)
[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night with happiness

DakkaMania · Jun 4, 2018

[X] Citino

To hell with it. Delay a bit but shore up our recent diplomatic gains.

I'll leave my vote with Citno in case things change while I'm asleep.

Timewinders · Jun 4, 2018

[X] International Politics

pbluekan · Jun 4, 2018

[X] International Politics

Sivantic · Jun 4, 2018

ExNihilo said:
[X] International Politics

Himmelhand said:
[X] International Politics

Citino said:
[X] International Politics

VoidZero said:
[X] International Politics
[X] [Security] 0 PW - Keep digging (-1 temp Espionage, internal security sweep continues)
Rail company can be started by the political parties, that way liberals can get business and royalist get crown Corp.

Oshha said:
[X] International Politics
[X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II

DakkaMania said:
[X] International Politics
[X] [Security] 0 PW - Keep digging (-1 temp Espionage, internal security sweep continues)

To hell with it. Delay a bit but shore up our recent diplomatic gains.

Timewinders said:
[X] International Politics

While I am very happy for your support, but did any of you wish to switch the railway to selling the Hung weaponry?

I was between the two and wished to finalize it.

Citino · Jun 4, 2018

Yeah, as much as I want rail companies and IC, we came into this turn needing DOs and BENs more than anything. We need to have Nokly move fast here, and putting off diplomacy for another two years is going to be a killer, even if it would benefit us internally.

Hung needs more trade, Beh has to be cultivated, and Kiel needs to be kept neutral at least, preferably allied with us, and do our Espionage boosts to build up a network. It also keeps happiness from sinking like a stone and setting off revolts all over, nor do we need to keep borrowing to maintain our increases (AN's words on us using bonds does not fill me with confidence).

As such, international relations is probably better for us in the long run, even if the IC plans are more satisfying.

DakkaMania · Jun 4, 2018

Sivantic said:
While I am very happy for your support, but did any of you wish to switch the railway to selling the Hung weaponry?

I was between the two and wished to finalize it.

I'd be amenable to it. The synergy between trade and the guns is fairly good, I think.

Citino · Jun 4, 2018

Sivantic said:
While I am very happy for your support, but did any of you wish to switch the railway to selling the Hung weaponry?

I was between the two and wished to finalize it.

Let the factions do it, Royalists get it PW free, so it's better to let them play with the armies.

Kiba · Jun 4, 2018

[X] International Politics

DakkaMania · Jun 4, 2018

Citino said:
Let the factions do it, Royalists get it PW free, so it's better to let them play with the armies.

On the other side, it gets us another +1 Rearm and that synergy for Hung. And Hung needs those guns to put down rebellions.

VoidZero · Jun 4, 2018

Sivantic said:
While I am very happy for your support, but did any of you wish to switch the railway to selling the Hung weaponry?

I was between the two and wished to finalize it.

I'm fine with either.

DakkaMania · Jun 4, 2018

Basically, one more rail won't make a huge difference. But those guns could really move things with the Hungs ability to defend themselves and put down warlords.

Romv · Jun 4, 2018

Sivantic said:
If @Romv is okay with it and you vote for it, sure, I can switch the two.

While parliament will be all for selling guns and building railroads, they are less inclined to do diplomacy. So I'm not sure we should do either of the former.

Citino · Jun 4, 2018

Rails do reduce pollution though, so there is that.

But I'm open to either, I'll let @Sivantic choose what is best.

noliar · Jun 4, 2018

[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (-3 temp SoL, +1 Espionage)
[X] International Politics

pbluekan · Jun 4, 2018

Citino said:
Yeah, as much as I want rail companies and IC, we came into this turn needing DOs and BENs more than anything. We need to have Nokly move fast here, and putting off diplomacy for another two years is going to be a killer, even if it would benefit us internally.

Hung needs more trade, Beh has to be cultivated, and Kiel needs to be kept neutral at least, preferably allied with us, and do our Espionage boosts to build up a network. It also keeps happiness from sinking like a stone and setting off revolts all over, nor do we need to keep borrowing to maintain our increases (AN's words on us using bonds does not fill me with confidence).

As such, international relations is probably better for us in the long run, even if the IC plans are more satisfying.

DakkaMania said:
I'd be amenable to it. The synergy between trade and the guns is fairly good, I think.

I do want to make a point that we shouldn't focus so hard on the others that we forget the Khemetri. They are currently the only ally close enough and developed enough to help us if we need it. We have worked with them, recently, so I'm not too worried, but it's something to keep in mind.

The Kielmyr will, IMO, always remain neutral, even if there are marriage ties. It is just too much to their advantage not to.

@Sivantic Im open to either. Rails reduces pollution and helps remove "Undeveloped Hinterlands." Which is nice, and we do need the TK rail up before the Nohon declare.

Manget · Jun 4, 2018

Later updated plan

[] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (-3 temp SoL, +1 Espionage)

[] plan build PW
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x2
-[X]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x3
-[X]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x4
-[X]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x5
-[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project

Can someone tell my why any of these RDI people are voting for are time sensitive and can't wait for the midterm?

DakkaMania · Jun 4, 2018

pbluekan said:
I do want to make a point that we shouldn't focus so hard on the others that we forget the Khemetri. They are currently the only ally close enough and developed enough to help us if we need it. We have worked with them, recently, so I'm not too worried, but it's something to keep in mind.

The Kielmyr will, IMO, always remain neutral, even if there are marriage ties. It is just too much to their advantage not to.

Yeah, but what we are doing here is securing Beh as a friend. Which dissuades Hex from taking a swing at Khem. And hopefully pacifies the Tortun situation so we aren't distracted by that in another 10 years.

Kiel will remain neutral, yes. But it's liable to always lean towards us. The Sketch are known to be unreliable while the Dual Crown is exceedingly dependable. Also, unlike with the Sketch, we can walk to them with our army. And the economics also favour us. So there are goo chances to actually get them to side with us. Because if the Sketch explode again, they will need us.

@Sivantic Im open to either. Rails reduces pollution and helps remove "Undeveloped Hinterlands." Which is nice.

Hinterlands will melt away on it's own, though.

Citino · Jun 4, 2018

Manget said:
Can someone tell my why any of these RDI people are voting for are time sensitive and can't wait for the midterm?

Getting more IC now means we get more temp IC to spend mid turn, which means more IC from factions, which means more temp IC to spend next turn, etc...

Which is why you aren't going to get much support for your plan. -2 IC means we only get 5 temp IC to spend next turn, down from 6 temp IC, and it also forces the factions to have to devote resources to making up for what you are spending rather than building up.

Xepheria · Jun 4, 2018

keenscythe said:
[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night, with happiness

I sincerely hope parliament is going to handle all the DOs, BENs, RRCs, and Port Expansions we need. Wasting this turn could be fatal if the Sketch rush/finish getting a coalition against us.

That's the plan. Setting parliament up with plenty of PW and Temp IC to work with is the point of Plan Furnaces, Day and Night, with happiness.

Manget · Jun 4, 2018

Citino said:
Getting more IC now means we get more temp IC to spend mid turn, which means more IC from factions, which means more temp IC to spend next turn, etc...

Which is why you aren't going to get much support for your plan. -2 IC means we only get 5 temp IC to spend next turn, down from 6 temp IC, and it also forces the factions to have to devote resources to making up for what you are spending rather than building up.

They will have all the temp IC they need as long as we don't give them a lot of PW. I want to go into next main turn with 20 PW

Rakuhn · Jun 4, 2018

[X] Sivantic

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