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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night, with happiness
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Issue Bonds: 1 PW - +3 temp SoL for +3 Bonds
 
Karugus said:
Really really disappointing how little diplomacy is getting the love.
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I believe it's being in part relegated to mid-turn.

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[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night, with happiness
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Issue Bonds: 1 PW - +3 temp SoL for +3 Bonds
 
Sivantic said:
[X] Plan Get to Work!
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp IC, +1 Sewer

Econ
Industrial Cap 18 (0) (Max. 11+75%)
Development 42/53+25%
Pollution 3 (4)

Infrastructure
Sewers 3/7
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Pollution calculation on this is very wrong. Comes out to 3(10), not 3(4).
 
Karugus said:
Would a DO to Behryvar or Kielmyr, or even the Ochruhr to see about hashing out a backroom deal be too much to ask for? Instead at best I'm seeing a purely reactive attitude.
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We always preferred to do too much diplomacy and not enough internal development.

[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night, with happiness
 
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I will suggest that y'all start paying down the Bonds starting from next turn though.
That way you have room to take out extra bonds in extremis.
Probably shouldn't go above half your permanent IC unless you're at war or in crisis.
 
Honestly, defaulting on a bunch of bonds may get the Sketch off our back a bit. -5 prestiege per bond defaulted on. We would need to burn something like 6 bonds to give them back SP status.

-6 trust.

So if we can get to trust 16 we can have that as an option that wouldn't hurt TOO badly.
 
[X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)

[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (-3 temp SoL, +1 Espionage)
 
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After some consideration, I change my vote.

[X] Plan Get to Work!
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp IC, +1 Sewer

[X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Jun 4, 2018 at 1:22 PM, finished with 21736 posts and 17 votes.
  • [X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
    [X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night with happiness
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Issue Bonds: 1 PW - +3 temp SoL for +3 Bonds
    -[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
    [X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (-3 temp SoL, +1 Espionage)
    [X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
    -[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
    [X] [Security] 0 PW - Keep digging (-1 temp Espionage, internal security sweep continues)
    [X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
    [X] Plan Get to Work!
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp IC, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
    [X] Plan Engines Full Steam Ahead!
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Trans-Kyberi Railway - 1 PW, -4 Temp Army, +1 Max Development, (4 more uses to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status, 0/30 Actions to Completion) (0 PW for the first use a turn)
    -[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
    -[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
    -[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
    [X] [Security] 0 PW - Point the People at the Sketch or Nohon or something (-3 temp Consciousness, +1 temp Militancy, ???)
    [X] International Politics
    -[X]
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Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Jun 4, 2018 at 1:28 PM, finished with 21743 posts and 21 votes.
  • [X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
    [X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night with happiness
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Issue Bonds: 1 PW - +3 temp SoL for +3 Bonds
    -[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
    [X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
    -[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
    [X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
    [X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (-3 temp SoL, +1 Espionage)
    [X] [Security] 0 PW - Keep digging (-1 temp Espionage, internal security sweep continues)
    [X] Plan Get to Work!
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp IC, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
    [X] Plan Engines Full Steam Ahead!
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Trans-Kyberi Railway - 1 PW, -4 Temp Army, +1 Max Development, (4 more uses to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status, 0/30 Actions to Completion) (0 PW for the first use a turn)
    -[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
    -[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
    -[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
    [X] [Security] 0 PW - Point the People at the Sketch or Nohon or something (-3 temp Consciousness, +1 temp Militancy, ???)
    [X] International Politics
    -[X]
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[X] Plan Engines Full Steam Ahead!
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Trans-Kyberi Railway - 1 PW, -4 Temp Army, +1 Max Development, (4 more uses to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status, 0/30 Actions to Completion) (0 PW for the first use a turn)
-[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
 
[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
 
[X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)

[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (-3 temp SoL, +1 Espionage)

Maybe a faction will BEN in Sketch.
 
@Xon
CORRECTION
Academia Nut said:
Econ
Industrial Cap 12 (6) (Max. 11+75%)
Development 36/53+25%
Bonds 8
Pollution 3 (4)
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Xon said:
[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night, with happiness
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Issue Bonds: 1 PW - +3 temp SoL for +3 Bonds

IC 18(6), 18(15) after regen, Armies 8(4), Pollution 6(14), Bonds 14, +1 Espionage Cons 3(22), SoL 7(22), Happiness 6(5)
Keeps happiness high, and gets that very cheap +1 Espionage
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We are currently at Bonds 8.
An extra +3 Bonds takes us to Bonds 11.
NOT Bonds 14.

Unless I'm missing something.
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Jun 4, 2018 at 1:25 PM, finished with 21739 posts and 19 votes.
  • [X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
    [X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night with happiness
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Issue Bonds: 1 PW - +3 temp SoL for +3 Bonds
    -[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
    [X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (-3 temp SoL, +1 Espionage)
    [X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
    -[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
    [X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
    [X] [Security] 0 PW - Keep digging (-1 temp Espionage, internal security sweep continues)
    [X] Plan Get to Work!
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp IC, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
    -[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
    [X] Plan Engines Full Steam Ahead!
    -[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
    -[X] Trans-Kyberi Railway - 1 PW, -4 Temp Army, +1 Max Development, (4 more uses to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status, 0/30 Actions to Completion) (0 PW for the first use a turn)
    -[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
    -[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
    -[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
    [X] [Security] 0 PW - Point the People at the Sketch or Nohon or something (-3 temp Consciousness, +1 temp Militancy, ???)
    [X] International Politics
    -[X]
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[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
 
[X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)

[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (-3 temp SoL, +1 Espionage)
 
Please note that both Green Industry! Mark II and Plan Furnaces, Day and Night drops us to 3 happiness, and makes it very difficult for the royalist party to slot in a rearm come the parliamentary phase.

I recommend Plan Furnaces, Day and Night with happiness, which leaves us on 6 happiness, with a bounty of both Temp IC and Army for parliament to work with.
 
Lets keep taking out bonds. Surely nothing can go wrong. Its not like dice are being rolled in the background.

:V :V :V
 
[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night with rails build by the army
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[X] Trans-Kyberi Railway - 0 PW, -4 temp Army, +1 Max Development, (4 more uses to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status, 0/30 Actions to Completion) (0 PW for the first use a turn)
-[X] Diplomatic Outreach - 2 PW: +1 Trust, -3 Temp Trust: officer exchanges with Kielmyr and get them closer to our kingdom

Use the army for the Trans-Kyberi for 0PW get a point of trust and get the Kielmyr closer to us to secure our northern border.
 
[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
[X] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night, with happiness
 
[X] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
[X] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
-[X] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[X] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[X] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[X] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
 
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