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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
Cornuthaum said:
"The Colonels will learn to not get too creative in their interpretation of our orders, or we will regretfully have to assemble several tribunals."
- Field Marshal Alyxandyr Arkady'vch Suvorov (grandson of Field Marshal Alyxandyr Suvorov of the Faronese Wars)


[x] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

NO OCCUPATION.

Loot everything we can, ransack every university, but NO OCCUPATIONS.
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We can simply choose not to take the land. AN clarified.

Let's dismantle Tortun core so that they take some time before they fuck up again.
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Tear their heart out (Punch through to the sea)
 
Folks! Hold on a minute with the Needle gun. Look at the words "NEEDLE NEEDS REPLACING EVERY DOZEN OR SO SHOTS"

I'm now reminded of the M16 debacle during the Vietnam War.

We can't do that now. Sorry, this gun has to fix the needle problem before going to mass production.
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

All my nope to Tortun territories.
 
kilopi505 said:
Folks! Hold on a minute with the Needle gun. Look at the words "NEEDLE NEEDS REPLACING EVERY DOZEN OR SO SHOTS"

I'm now reminded of the M16 debacle during the Vietnam War.

We can't do that now. Sorry, this gun has to fix the needle problem before going to mass production.
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We're giving it to the elite marksmen first, don't worry.
 
Timewinders said:
Occupations work just fine when the occupier has the political will and military might to follow through. OTL European powers fought each other dozens of times. They looted plenty, and their enemies often came back stronger afterward with a desire for revenge. Germany wasn't occupied in WW1 and it wasn't until people finally got tired of world wars and occupied Germany that wars between great powers stopped. Disemboweling is just a lazy kicking of the can down the road. Leaders in real life do it because they know they won't have to deal with the aftermath since they'll be dead or out of office by then. I'd like to think that the thread is a little more farsighted than that due to the faster pace of a story.
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Yeah right. The whole reason things with Germany worked out after WW2 was because it wasn't a single occupation, it was 2 new german states propped up to oppose each other and heavily backed by the two leading GPs of the time.

We can't set anything like that up for many reasons. If we eat Tortun it'll be in one big piece with nothing to distract it from it's hatred of us.
 
kilopi505 said:
Folks! Hold on a minute with the Needle gun. Look at the words "NEEDLE NEEDS REPLACING EVERY DOZEN OR SO SHOTS"

I'm now reminded of the M16 debacle during the Vietnam War.

We can't do that now. Sorry, this gun has to fix the needle problem before going to mass production.
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....that was the issue with all needle guns. But guess what, you don't get advancements to solid brass cartridges without needle guns proving that bolt action is the way to go with breechloaders.

Also, could you not bold and giant size your text please? It doesn't help your point and is pretty damn rude.
 
kilopi505 said:
Folks! Hold on a minute with the Needle gun. Look at the words "NEEDLE NEEDS REPLACING EVERY DOZEN OR SO SHOTS"

I'm now reminded of the M16 debacle during the Vietnam War.

We can't do that now. Sorry, this gun has to fix the needle problem before going to mass production.
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Ah, yes, replacing the needle every minute of firing twelve-thirteen shots is such a great problem when the other makes of guns take a full minute to reload?
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[x] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round

[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
Timewinders said:
Occupations work just fine when the occupier has the political will and military might to follow through. OTL European powers fought each other dozens of times. They looted plenty, and their enemies often came back stronger afterward with a desire for revenge. Germany wasn't occupied in WW1 and it wasn't until people finally got tired of world wars and occupied Germany that wars between great powers stopped. Disemboweling is just a lazy kicking of the can down the road. Leaders in real life do it because they know they won't have to deal with the aftermath since they'll be dead or out of office by then. I'd like to think that the thread is a little more farsighted than that due to the faster pace of a story.
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We have almost nothing to gain from an occupation, very much to lose and the greatest goal otu of this should be to have a stable ally in continental Syffryn that we can use as a counterbalance.
 
kilopi505 said:
Folks! Hold on a minute with the Needle gun. Look at the words "NEEDLE NEEDS REPLACING EVERY DOZEN OR SO SHOTS"

I'm now reminded of the M16 debacle during the Vietnam War.

We can't do that now. Sorry, this gun has to fix the needle problem before going to mass production.
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Dude, please. 12 shots and then you have to fiddle for a minute to replace the firing needle is a phenomenal increase in firepower over muzzle-loading muskets.

There's a reason Prussia used them.
 
Cornuthaum said:
Dude, please. 12 shots and then you have to fiddle for a minute to replace the firing needle is a phenomenal increase in firepower over muzzle-loading muskets.

There's a reason Prussia used them.
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Especially works well with our Precision Industrial economy, since we should be perfectly suited to churning out suitable needles en masse.
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
A faster end to the war, yes please! Also last time we saw universal rifling it was at 9 points out of ???, which was at least 35 judging by other tech costs. So yeah, totally worth it.
[X] [War] Rip their arms off and beat them to death (Annihilate armies)
 
[] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round​

God I really wan to do this but I want personal initiative doctrine so much this turn! probably worth it but it hurts so much!

[] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

Question if we do this can we still Loot tech from the Federation after we win? Because otherwise I have no objection to the vote.​
 
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