[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
Speaking of cavalry, while the Ochruhr were being pushed back as quickly as possible, the Qeshyks had managed to get in behind the front of the SKF and were merrily blowing things up, while the foot and cannon regiments were taking advantage of the logistical chaos to isolate and annihilate SKF regiments. The generals were practically having to run to keep up with the colonels, although the overall objectives definitely needed to be clarified with this new success lest the armies lose all focus and go running off in every direction.
The Qeshyks got spooky in this update, just getting behind the enemy and causing devastation before even our own generals knew what was up.
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

I think we've just about hit the point where technological development in other things, like artillery or railroads, will have a larger effect than technological development in small arms.
 
Ripping out the heart doesn't mean you necessarily need to annex any Tortun or Halvyni land, although taking the Halvyni homeland would open up some extra options for the annexation of territory. Smashing them yourself without having another power to take the territory after is however likely to lead to headaches again in a generation.
 
Ripping out the heart doesn't mean you necessarily need to annex any Tortun or Halvyni land, although taking the Halvyni homeland would open up some extra options for the annexation of territory. Smashing them yourself without having another power to take the territory after is however likely to lead to headaches again in a generation.
Would it cost higher PW for us to opt out from taking the lands?
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Tear their heart out (Punch through to the sea)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Tear their heart out (Punch through to the sea)

I really don't want to deal with this kind of thing every 20 years. Hell, if we push through, we may be able to take more of their tech.
 
Adopt the Trusse needle gun design?
[] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[] [Needle] No - Standard RP gain

Literally no reason not to. This is a huge leap to completing both the techs instantly.

SKF are reeling, select a FATALITY to attempt
[] [War] Tear their heart out (Punch through to the sea)

Pros: This gives us the second quickest end to the war by hitting them in the core. It gives us the option to determine the partition in detail(and more importantly, it lets us decide what happens to the Halvyni). We can try to normalize their borders again.
Cons: Actually no cons, but thread being tempted into taking Tortun territory is a pretty bad one

[] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

Pros: Behryvar becomes a buffer state for us and we can concentrate on the Ochruhr fucking.
Cons: Tortun core undamaged, we still need to pound our way through.

[] [War] Rip their arms off and beat them to death (Annihilate armies)

Pros: Quickest resolution to the war.
Cons: Hello war crimes. Do this if you want to conquer them afterwards, otherwise they're coming for you next.

[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Tear their heart out (Punch through to the sea)

Go straight for their core and we can end this with a minimum of atrocities.
Thread sentiment is such that taking the land is probably unlikely.
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
If we would annex parts of Tortun, not only they would be crippled permanently; we would also annex their FACTORIES, RAILROADS AND TECH.

And no. Integration of Wyrmyn is far from difficult. Disadvantage exist only for people that would like to be at happiness 1 in our core cities. Integration of Wyrmyn basically force us to be nicer to our own population.
Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on May 22, 2018 at 12:55 AM, finished with 18674 posts and 54 votes.
 
If we would annex parts of Tortun, not only they would be crippled permanently; we would also annex their FACTORIES, RAILROADS AND TECH.

And no. Integration of Wyrmyn is far from difficult. Disadvantage exist only for people that would like to be at happiness 1 in our core cities. Integration of Wyrmyn basically force us to be nicer to our own population.
No, we can't integrate the Tortuns into our nation. Not only are they intensely nationalistic already, they're populous enough that they'll be impenetrable for our assimilationist policies. Eating the Tortuns is a fast way to get nationalist revolts up the wazoo.
 
s. The generals were practically having to run to keep up with the colonels, although the overall objectives definitely needed to be clarified with this new success lest the armies lose all focus and go running off in every direction.
"The Colonels will learn to not get too creative in their interpretation of our orders, or we will regretfully have to assemble several tribunals."
- Field Marshal Alyxandyr Arkady'vch Suvorov (grandson of Field Marshal Alyxandyr Suvorov of the Faronese Wars)


[x] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

NO OCCUPATION.

Loot everything we can, ransack every university, but NO OCCUPATIONS.
 
[X] [War] Rip their arms off and beat them to death (Annihilate armies)

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD. SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE.
 
"The Colonels will learn to not get too creative in their interpretation of our orders, or we will regretfully have to assemble several tribunals."
- Field Marshal Alyxandyr Arkady'vch Suvorov (grandson of Field Marshal Alyxandyr Suvorov of the Faronese Wars)


[x] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

NO OCCUPATION.

Loot everything we can, ransack every university, but NO OCCUPATIONS.

Occupations work just fine when the occupier has the political will and military might to follow through. OTL European powers fought each other dozens of times. They looted plenty, and their enemies often came back stronger afterward with a desire for revenge. Germany wasn't occupied in WW1 and it wasn't until people finally got tired of world wars and occupied Germany that wars between great powers stopped. Disemboweling is just a lazy kicking of the can down the road. Leaders in real life do it because they know they won't have to deal with the aftermath since they'll be dead or out of office by then. I'd like to think that the thread is a little more farsighted than that due to the faster pace of a story.
 
Occupations work just fine when the occupier has the political will and military might to follow through. OTL European powers fought each other dozens of times. They looted plenty, and their enemies often came back stronger afterward with a desire for revenge. Germany wasn't occupied in WW1 and it wasn't until people finally got tired of world wars and occupied Germany that wars between great powers stopped. Disemboweling is just a lazy kicking of the can down the road. Leaders in real life do it because they know they won't have to deal with the aftermath since they'll be dead or out of office by then. I'd like to think that the thread is a little more farsighted than that due to the faster pace of a story.
I'm pretty sure it ends up with disemboweling for WW2 germans anyway, occupation is just a interim. This choice for the sea legit has options for us to take land to make ours, rather than situational need
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Rip their arms off and beat them to death (Annihilate armies)
 
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