A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
Nah, Goldfish is sleeping.
@Deliste I believe you mean "Magister", not Maester.
Uhmmm...
I guess I could take a crack at it. Though to be honest I'm in general agreement with getting the Magisters to pay a comparatively small out-of-pocket cost to at least allow the slaves in question to survive in a transitory state, but we're going to seriously have to capitalize on getting all of these people either immigrated to one of our other settlements where job opportunities are plentiful, or shuffled directly into one of the created opportunities locally.
Legion recruitment and even Watch recruitment in the short-to-medium term will only absorb about 15,000, if that. Not an insignificant number of jobs, but it also doesn't generate money, since it is all part of the state apparatus. Well, arguably it generates money when the former is used to conquer places, but that's a finite income opportunity in itself.
Construction will also create several thousand jobs. We could probably justify the immigration, short-term, of another several thousand people.
That still only takes care of around 25,000 for sure, and there are 300,000 slaves. Assuming the ones with skills that can be reapplied in existing industries exist in smaller proportion than unskilled or luxury service labor (bedwarmers, dancers, singers, artists compared to say, scribes and accountants, tutors/teachers, skilled apprentices and workers, dye and textile artisans)... then the raw labor for (comparative to the mainland) plantations, also mostly for luxury products (pears for the brandy).
We're probably looking at no more than shy of a quarter million people we have to streamline the economy for still by setting reasonable wages through the chucklefucks who are blinking and wondering why we aren't paying them in compensation for each of the slaves we're taking away from them (which would bankrupt us quickly, seeing as how slaves are sold based on both convenience, opportunity-cost arrangement and relative level of valuation inherent in the slave-driven economic system, such as appearance, strength, vitality, fertility and intelligence).
So obviously that's just not practical or likely, really asking for some sort of monetary compensation isn't feasible, which to be fair probably is more the case of them hoping that we'd just not free the slaves rather than buy them off. Which is amusing because we could kill them all if it made things easier (it doesn't, but the implicit threat isn't one they can really contest or oppose).
I'd vote for Deliste's "amuse myself by ruining the fortunes of this guy's family in front of his peers" if only to avoid Goldfish's and TNE's inevitably homicide strewn options.
Fortunately, I do not have to.
[X] Azel
- Location
- United States
We need at least one minor city for Rhango to conquer. That was all he asked. It's either that or a dedicated fetch quest into the former Dothraki Sea to go undead hunting, or leading them to go hunt some monster. The cities are nice and stationary and thus the best options for us. Let's not ruin that for ourselves.
Also, more XP for the magelings. They can tag along for this.
- Location
- United Kingdom
[X] Azel
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
Also, we should totally have every magister who's hiding behind locked doors right now checked.
No matter if they're on the "asshole list", the sheer fact of them not showing their faces is suspicious enough in light of daemons running amok for a pretty long while.
Even though it's 99% likely they're just cowards/stupid.
Making it seem like we're taking purging every last piece of lingering demonic taint from Tyrosh very seriously is pretty important for our PR.
Also also, loot and lore they have.
Yes, now that I've been assured of getting all the trees, I found yet another thing to hung upon.
No matter if they're on the "asshole list", the sheer fact of them not showing their faces is suspicious enough in light of daemons running amok for a pretty long while.
Even though it's 99% likely they're just cowards/stupid.
Making it seem like we're taking purging every last piece of lingering demonic taint from Tyrosh very seriously is pretty important for our PR.
Also also, loot and lore they have.
Yes, now that I've been assured of getting all the trees, I found yet another thing to hung upon.
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Thanks, will do.
- Location
- United States
It's not that Aradia was missed, it's that including Mercy was a mistake. Arcanums don't get XP.Included Mercy but not Aradia @Duesal?
- Location
- Germany
[X] Plan Opposition Is More Costly
-[X] "I wonder... if I paid you for so graciously taking care of these people, leaving no coin for them, who shall then buy goods in the coming months? Who will buy the foods you import, the ironmomgery your smiths produce, the clothes your weavers make? I'm not doing this to punish you, but to save you from becoming beggars. The coin flowing through a city is it's life blood and to make it flow properly in the new Tyrosh, a few minor sacrifices will have to be made in the short term, but you will soon see that you all, cunning businessmen you are, will profit far more a bit later on."
-[X] "Certainly, you only fear this measure since you can't anticipate the numbers right now. I will gladly address these fears and send you aid to do a through accounting of your estates, so that you can see how light this burden truly is."
-[X] "It is sad that the minor houses might not understand as well as you do. Prices may rise due to their blindness and it will take time for my envoys to convince them to rekindle their allegiance to Tyrosh. Whoever could secure their peaceful cooperation might stand to earn a lot of coin in these troubled times."
Translation: If you think with your coin pouch, actually think.
-[X] "I wonder... if I paid you for so graciously taking care of these people, leaving no coin for them, who shall then buy goods in the coming months? Who will buy the foods you import, the ironmomgery your smiths produce, the clothes your weavers make? I'm not doing this to punish you, but to save you from becoming beggars. The coin flowing through a city is it's life blood and to make it flow properly in the new Tyrosh, a few minor sacrifices will have to be made in the short term, but you will soon see that you all, cunning businessmen you are, will profit far more a bit later on."
-[X] "Certainly, you only fear this measure since you can't anticipate the numbers right now. I will gladly address these fears and send you aid to do a through accounting of your estates, so that you can see how light this burden truly is."
-[X] "It is sad that the minor houses might not understand as well as you do. Prices may rise due to their blindness and it will take time for my envoys to convince them to rekindle their allegiance to Tyrosh. Whoever could secure their peaceful cooperation might stand to earn a lot of coin in these troubled times."
Translation: If you think with your coin pouch, actually think.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Not really, there's an endless amount of Planar backwaters we could send the Legion against, though we need to improve it a little bit more before that, but when the average level for the Legionaires are 4 or so, we could probably send them bandit hunting backed up by a few PCs in Molten Skies, would have to give them a magic item for water of course, and have Viserys teleport with food to them from time to time, but 500 or so Legionaires and a B-Party, is probably enough to take out most bandits in Molten Skies.
DP did tell us that the Nameless Djinn was acting alone, so we are still not in open war with the Efreeti, going into the Bazaar is too dangerous, but merely sending troops to Molten Skies shouldn't be, we could have them hunting bandits, and hunting evil merchants, we just need to make sure they have PC assistance, to make sure they can take the stronger encounters in Molten Skies.
While they are there they could also have a side quest of marking down veins of metal, DP has allowed us to shape such out of the ground, and we know there are veins of Bronze in Molten Skies.
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
"Your Grace, I was just... Light of the Blessed, what has happened? You look like you've lost two stone overnight."
"Idiots... they're idiots, Holiness. Oh, I'm sure there's half a wit to share out between any... three of them, but not enough for the pack of ingrates. I thought Tyrosh was infamous for their gold-lust, but I can scarcely imagine how they've greased the palms of customs agents in far-flung ports when they can't find their own cock inside of their ornate cloth-of-gold robes if you put them right on the spot."
"Tyroshi magisters are infamous for their greed, Your Grace, not their competence, or the likes of the Triarchy would have persisted for far longer, for all that Tyroshi swords and Tyroshi ships at the tip of any endeavor the feuding children this land calls rulers could be possessed of, wits were not among their myriad qualities. It is not to us wisdom and sagacious thought is most found, absolutes such as this can only be found in the Light of the One. Not that you are lacking of either, of course..."
"Thank you."
"A fine blend of tea, I hope it meets your refined palette's expectations."
"Thank you. Perhaps you should recuse yourself to the palace in light of that... farce."
"I would never presume, but... for how long, precisely, would you wish my counsel?"
"Essentially as long as those magisters happen to be present."
"Might I ask what brought this on?"
"You're the only person in a position of influence I can tolerate for more than an hour. Even if you do worship a Slaver."
"Ah. It is how the Braavosi say, I suppose, the 'blind leading the blind'?"
"Lorathi, actually. The phrase is attributed to them because of cultural relevance, due in part to..."
Red Priest's thoughts: Just as planned.
"Idiots... they're idiots, Holiness. Oh, I'm sure there's half a wit to share out between any... three of them, but not enough for the pack of ingrates. I thought Tyrosh was infamous for their gold-lust, but I can scarcely imagine how they've greased the palms of customs agents in far-flung ports when they can't find their own cock inside of their ornate cloth-of-gold robes if you put them right on the spot."
"Tyroshi magisters are infamous for their greed, Your Grace, not their competence, or the likes of the Triarchy would have persisted for far longer, for all that Tyroshi swords and Tyroshi ships at the tip of any endeavor the feuding children this land calls rulers could be possessed of, wits were not among their myriad qualities. It is not to us wisdom and sagacious thought is most found, absolutes such as this can only be found in the Light of the One. Not that you are lacking of either, of course..."
"Thank you."
"A fine blend of tea, I hope it meets your refined palette's expectations."
"Thank you. Perhaps you should recuse yourself to the palace in light of that... farce."
"I would never presume, but... for how long, precisely, would you wish my counsel?"
"Essentially as long as those magisters happen to be present."
"Might I ask what brought this on?"
"You're the only person in a position of influence I can tolerate for more than an hour. Even if you do worship a Slaver."
"Ah. It is how the Braavosi say, I suppose, the 'blind leading the blind'?"
"Lorathi, actually. The phrase is attributed to them because of cultural relevance, due in part to..."
Red Priest's thoughts: Just as planned.
- Location
- washington
I don't know why do is making a vote of what to do with them we said we would make an example.out of those who talked back and arrest them. I wish we could follow through.
- Location
- Germany
It's not like we can trust this lot either, but at least he would be competent.
- Location
- Germany
We are doing something far worse to him. We give him a tax audit.
- Location
- United States
Speaking of the Red Priests, @Azel, what's the ultimate goal for the cleric cooling his heels in Sorcerer's Deep? Are we going to corrupt him and turn him into a concept cleric? Maybe have Malarys swoop down on him and turn him into a Cleric of the Law? Or was there a different god you wanted to hand him to?
- Location
- Sweden
So how quickly can we train up the next batch of legionnary recruits from ex-slave Tyroshi?
Because those outlying cities will have a few months of 'independance' before either Dothraki or newly minted legionnaries march in and claim them.
Ofcourse backed up by B teams like Moongsong & Co, and Valaena & Co.
Because those outlying cities will have a few months of 'independance' before either Dothraki or newly minted legionnaries march in and claim them.
Ofcourse backed up by B teams like Moongsong & Co, and Valaena & Co.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Huh, don't know where this came from. I almost always favor brevity over talking. Dunno how good it is, as I've only been awake a short while, and like I said, this is not my strong suit.
[X] Plan Wordy Goldfish
-[X] Viserys expends his Divine Insight spell and a Grand Destiny charge to boost his Diplomacy bonus by +19.
-[X] "Magic's return is still so recent that your ignorance is understandable in this instance. Do you believe my conquest of this place, one of the so-called "Great Free Cities", in less than a day's time was a happy accident?" Pause and take several long moments to look over the assembled Magisters, making eye contact with those who are willing. "No, gentlemen, it was no accident. Through my sorcery, all things are possible. I can cross the world in an instant, raise a house from nothing in moments, or curse a man into the shape of a simple tortoise, and these are but examples of the powers available to me. Did the walls of Tyrosh prevent the coming of my army? Of course not, for what good are walls when sorcery allows one to transport thousands of men into the undefended heart of a city with no more difficulty than he would experience sipping a goblet of wine."
--[X] "Envoys will be dispatched to the outland cities. Those which choose to side with Myr or Lys will be handled with no more difficulty than Tyrosh. Despite their great skill, my armies could use the experience."
-[X] "You concern over food for the city is not without cause, but again, your ignorance of magic shows true. Even now, those among my Companions whose magic lends itself to growing things, rather than destruction and conquest, are undertaking the first steps of a plan to see Tyrosh fed as well as ever. My trade fleets bring grain and other staples to tide the city over during the transitions, and my friends and allies send their own supplies, all with the aim of preventing starvation and food riots. Rest assured, gentlemen, I do very little on a whim, without careful thought and detailed planning."
--[X] "The conquest of a city is no small matter, though hardly a special or unique occurrence in the long and troubled history of Essos. Seeing this city thrive, however, as I aim to do in Tyrosh, that's a rather rare event, and something to be proud of. Would you rather be a part of that, to help your city rise above the petty squabbles and trite power games of your neighbors? This is an opportunity, not a cause for alarm and rebellion.
-[X] Take another long pause to survey the hall, reading the reactions of the gathered Magisters, to try to see who will go along with your plans and who may make obstacles of themselves. "Will you aid me now, Magisters of Tyrosh? I know this is no small request, for your lives up to this point have shaped your perceptions of what is right and proper. Yes, I will free the slaves of this city and those cities allied to Tyrosh. And yes, you will be paying for the privilege."
--[X] "You are wealthy men, however, and I do not ask you to beggar yourselves so that your former slaves will live in palaces. Tyrosh must still function as a city, and for that, the former slaves will be needed. They will, for the most part, continue in the careers they have been trained for. Silver and gold will be earned, and silver and gold will be spent. Trust that I have planned Tyrosh's transition from a city of slavery to a true Free City. Stay the course, do not give me cause to make an example of you, and you will look back on this day as the catalyst from which your fortunes were truly made rather than broken."
[X] Plan Wordy Goldfish
-[X] Viserys expends his Divine Insight spell and a Grand Destiny charge to boost his Diplomacy bonus by +19.
-[X] "Magic's return is still so recent that your ignorance is understandable in this instance. Do you believe my conquest of this place, one of the so-called "Great Free Cities", in less than a day's time was a happy accident?" Pause and take several long moments to look over the assembled Magisters, making eye contact with those who are willing. "No, gentlemen, it was no accident. Through my sorcery, all things are possible. I can cross the world in an instant, raise a house from nothing in moments, or curse a man into the shape of a simple tortoise, and these are but examples of the powers available to me. Did the walls of Tyrosh prevent the coming of my army? Of course not, for what good are walls when sorcery allows one to transport thousands of men into the undefended heart of a city with no more difficulty than he would experience sipping a goblet of wine."
--[X] "Envoys will be dispatched to the outland cities. Those which choose to side with Myr or Lys will be handled with no more difficulty than Tyrosh. Despite their great skill, my armies could use the experience."
-[X] "You concern over food for the city is not without cause, but again, your ignorance of magic shows true. Even now, those among my Companions whose magic lends itself to growing things, rather than destruction and conquest, are undertaking the first steps of a plan to see Tyrosh fed as well as ever. My trade fleets bring grain and other staples to tide the city over during the transitions, and my friends and allies send their own supplies, all with the aim of preventing starvation and food riots. Rest assured, gentlemen, I do very little on a whim, without careful thought and detailed planning."
--[X] "The conquest of a city is no small matter, though hardly a special or unique occurrence in the long and troubled history of Essos. Seeing this city thrive, however, as I aim to do in Tyrosh, that's a rather rare event, and something to be proud of. Would you rather be a part of that, to help your city rise above the petty squabbles and trite power games of your neighbors? This is an opportunity, not a cause for alarm and rebellion.
-[X] Take another long pause to survey the hall, reading the reactions of the gathered Magisters, to try to see who will go along with your plans and who may make obstacles of themselves. "Will you aid me now, Magisters of Tyrosh? I know this is no small request, for your lives up to this point have shaped your perceptions of what is right and proper. Yes, I will free the slaves of this city and those cities allied to Tyrosh. And yes, you will be paying for the privilege."
--[X] "You are wealthy men, however, and I do not ask you to beggar yourselves so that your former slaves will live in palaces. Tyrosh must still function as a city, and for that, the former slaves will be needed. They will, for the most part, continue in the careers they have been trained for. Silver and gold will be earned, and silver and gold will be spent. Trust that I have planned Tyrosh's transition from a city of slavery to a true Free City. Stay the course, do not give me cause to make an example of you, and you will look back on this day as the catalyst from which your fortunes were truly made rather than broken."
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