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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Sigmar abandoned his most worthy follower in his hour of need.

Cause Oh BOY has Matilda plenty of reason to think this.

[X] The fog of war is a bitch, to all involved.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Sinsystems on Mar 12, 2018 at 3:58 PM, finished with 216 posts and 89 votes.
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Stewart9 said:
Their is also the fact that Kasmir's mind set affected his chance of healing the count the second time which tells me that the strength of the faith of the person calling on the god is important. If I remmber correctly Mathilde has a similar piety score to the priest in the Council while Van Hal had one which is on the lower end of average meaning the his chances of getting thought to the Heldenhammer were low and the chances of the god helping him were low.
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Sounds like victim blaming to me!

"Well if Van Hal believed in Sigmar more, Sigmar probably would have helped him!" Yeah, that sounds like something Mathilde would believe about Van Hal, amirite guys
 
Blonddude42 said:
Ah, what about Anton declaring that he won't step down as Regent until Van Hal's heir shows up? Would that buy more time?
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Not much. "I'm holding the position for an heir that totally exists, honest, we just don't know where he is right now" doesn't fly well no matter who's mouth it comes out of. Even when it's true.

Alliterate said:
Presumably knowledge or at least rumours of Van Hal's death have reached Wurtbad by now, as news travels faster than a marching army(?)
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Presumably.
 
It is, yes. But the thing about heirs is they're supposed to exist. Which, officially, Van Hal's apparently don't.

Which is a matter that is going to be dealt with in coming days. You're not even at Wurtbad yet, the full details of the matter will come up then.
 
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Honestly taking over the province directly would probably have required us to be pregnant with Van Hal's child and even then we'd need to be able to prove that the child is his. But if you guys really wanted to be in control I'd suggest the simpler task of being the puppet master controlling the ruler behind the scenes.
 
[X] Sigmar abandoned his most worthy follower in his hour of need.
[X] Mathematics is universal.

I wonder if the flaw/injury can be mitigated over time? Maybe if Sigmar came down, fixed up his church and apologized kind of thing hey, it's... nearly impossible but that's the same level of dice probability as like, what 3-4~ 1 digit rolls and all those nasty failures that led to this.

Sinsystems said:
Honestly taking over the province directly would probably have required us to be pregnant with Van Hal's child and even then we'd need to be able to prove that the child is his. But if you guys really wanted to be in control I'd suggest the simpler task of being the puppet master controlling the ruler behind the scenes.
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I'm not sure WHY people want to be in charge considering the uh, pattern recognition of people being in charge of this place dieing rather frequently.
 
BoneyM said:
Not much. "I'm holding the position for an heir that totally exists, honest, we just don't know where he is right now" doesn't fly well no matter who's mouth it comes out of. Even when it's true.



Presumably.
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What about holding onto the Regency for a set period (say 2 years for this example) rather than an indefinite Regency? If gives us time to look, and them time to politc over who would be chosen as the successor.

I mean, worst comes to worst, we find the heirs and arrange for an unfortunate accident for whoever they install. If they try to get rid of us we can always go to ground, take over the criminal underworld, and work from there
 
There is not a single scenario where saying that there's totally an heir, you just haven't quite found him yet, will be treated as anything but an insultingly blatant attempt at seizing power.
 
[Previous Dwarf Rep: +1]
[Govibarazak: +2]
[Two sublime demonstrations of the power of artillery: +2]
[Grudges Avenged: +8]
[Adbarazi: Your Oath Fulfilled: +2]
[Total: +15]
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So, it hasn't drawn a lot of discussion but to review- wow, this is a lot of dwarf rep! Our first point came from "personally killing hundreds of undead in battle", and then we've got heroism, being responsible for large-scale military decisions, helping the dwarves with grudges, and oathkeeping- none of which are terribly common things. It makes me wonder just how big a deal this is and how many Imperials have similar reputations.

@BoneyM, if you wouldn't mind sharing the information, what kind of Dwarf Rep is this on a wider scale? That is, who is likely to have less/similar/more Dwarf Rep than this? What kinds of point values are required to have a reasonable chance of getting the dwarves to help with various things- to give a few things I'd be curious about, though I'd expect some of them to be outright impossible:
  • Have them send trainers for the watch
  • Have them send experts to assist in setting up industry for turning that saltpeter into quality gunpowder
  • Personally tutor Mathilde in mundane fields (combat, tactics, mathematics, history)
    • Or in Khazalid?
  • Let Mathilde move into a dwarf hold and live there
    • While conducting magical research?
  • Send a force to assist in a campaign against someone they already hate
    • Or that they don't care about?
  • Have one of their experts consult with Mathilde on vaguely appropriate magical matters (enchantment, Qhaysh Juice study)
  • Provide her with/sell her enchanted equipment of their make
    • Or mundane but high-quality equipment, such as pistols?
    • Or have an expert collaborate on an enchantment project with her?
  • Dig or renovate an underground base for Mathilde somewhere
    • In total secrecy?
  • Assist in construction of some key project, such as a bridge, road, or fortification
    • Or just do the whole thing?
  • Share maps, information, and general intelligence on the things that dwarves know about events in the world but Mathilde doesn't
    • On a regular basis?
  • Provide her with letters of introduction testifying to her skill and trustworthiness?
    • Or a temporary companion/aide in diplomatic matters?

This is pretty fun to think about and imagine, and while unless we choose the Dwarf option (which is looking quite unlikely at this point) I doubt that the dwarves will be a huge part of Mathilde's life moving forward, there's enough potential here to talk about it for a while.


 
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LightMage said:
I wonder if the flaw/injury can be mitigated over time? Maybe if Sigmar came down, fixed up his church and apologized kind of thing hey, it's... nearly impossible but that's the same level of dice probability as like, what 3-4~ 1 digit rolls and all those nasty failures that led to this..
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He needs a really good excuse for me to forgive what happened here. Again, it needs to be, like, Storm of Chaos level of urgency.

If he comes down without something like that, I vote we kick him in the balls. <.<

BoneyM said:
There is not a single scenario where saying that there's totally an heir, you just haven't quite found him yet, will be treated as anything but an insultingly blatant attempt at seizing power.
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Just to be certain, we can't claim that we are actually Van Hal's long-lost heir, right?
 
Anton was given regency, we should trust him. (And verify his choices) but Anton got us Mr. Dragon + Super Elf.

So... I mean, if anyone can find someone who'd survive and fully defeat this place, it's Anton. And Hal put him in CHARGE, why would we take over from him considering how much we respect the guy. I'm thinking we help out Anton and we do our duty as a Knight+Mage and all that for now, and if the new guy doesn't like us we go from there.

Omegahugger said:
Just to be certain, we can't claim that we are actually Van Hal's long-lost heir, right?
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I'd really like to see how you'd come up with an explanation to even think that we can pull that off.
 
BoneyM said:
There is not a single scenario where saying that there's totally an heir, you just haven't quite found him yet, will be treated as anything but an insultingly blatant attempt at seizing power.
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Yup. So if we want to ensure succession, we gotta hope Wilhelmina knows where the heirs (and proof!) are and can get them in, pronto.

Shadow Horse Riding Heir Rescue Adventure, Ahoy!
 
LightMage said:
I'm not sure WHY people want to be in charge considering the uh, pattern recognition of people being in charge of this place dieing rather frequently.
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The risk analysis in this thread is patently bonkers. Just look at the people who want a short trip to the pyre rush headlong into necromancy ("sure, all necromancers are mad and most die to the effects of their use of dhar, but I'm sure it won't happen to us")
 
[X] It's not a great hero who carries the day, but a lot of small men working in concert.
[X] The Empire is a morass of self-interest, to the point of becoming a millstone around the neck of humanity.
 
@BoneyM What are our chances of installing our puppet in the position of elector count, maybe Anton, and us ruling from the shadows behind the throne, like any self respecting Grey wizard?
 
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