Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
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- madison
I'm a bit worried that would increase our militancy too much.
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- He/Him
War solves a lot of problems in this era.
- Location
- madison
and being too quick to it tends to make you one of those problems that get solved.
- Location
- Sweden
[X] Plan: Basis
[x] Cornuthaum'S Constitutional Convention Cvote 1809
-[x] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
-[x] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
-[x] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
-[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
-[x] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
-[x] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
Seems like a good set of compromises. It'd be nice to crush the Guilds, but that costs far too much, so simply leaving them be should be good enough.
It'd be nice to keep 1 PW available for reaction actions for the upcoming midturn, but I can't think of anything worth dropping to have that. Keeping net 0 happiness seems like a good idea.
-[x] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
-[x] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
-[x] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
-[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
-[x] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
-[x] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
Seems like a good set of compromises. It'd be nice to crush the Guilds, but that costs far too much, so simply leaving them be should be good enough.
It'd be nice to keep 1 PW available for reaction actions for the upcoming midturn, but I can't think of anything worth dropping to have that. Keeping net 0 happiness seems like a good idea.
- Location
- Illinois
I mean, we did get screwed over by not intervening early against Not!Poleon. If we had struck the Tortun at the start, the Triple Crown could have done a lot more, and we might have been even able to pull Stymyr into the fight. We would have still had trouble, but we would have had the initiative.
Being peaceful is nice, but being ready for war is pretty necessary at this point in time.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think it's critically important to get started on the guilds immediately with the 6 PW option to crush them. They have the most potential to dig in and get out of control since they have power but can't vie for the throne.
Due to the upheaval that will cause, we'd want a conservative constitution in other respects that limits lower class freedoms while keeping military and upper nobility on side.
Due to the upheaval that will cause, we'd want a conservative constitution in other respects that limits lower class freedoms while keeping military and upper nobility on side.
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- Location
- Illinois
I mean, we'd all love to strip them of their constitutional protection completely, but doing so and not sending the country into a mess of riots while still getting a decent constitution is pretty much impossible.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yeah I think it's worth forgetting about a decent constitution for the moment and doing a bad one to crush the guilds. It will certainly hamper other goals though in the short term.
- Location
- Panama City
Well, a hefty chunk of the thread disagrees with you on that score, including me.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
It's worth noting that the actual question is (emphasis mine):
So there would also be civil-service avenues to achieve the same goal, which would hopefully avoid putting too much pressure on military service in specific.
[x] Cornuthaum'S Constitutional Convention Cvote 1809
-[x] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
-[x] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
-[x] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
-[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
-[x] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
-[x] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
-[x] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
-[x] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
-[x] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
-[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
-[x] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
-[x] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
HanEmpire
Delicious
@Academia Nut what does the Tortun Constitution look like?
- Location
- madison
my understanding is that militancy doesn't make you ready for war, it just makes you more willing to wage it. We saw a high militancy force us into a war last turn after all. Knowing when to sit back and develop our giant pile of unclaimed resources is very useful.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Let me get back to you, but definitely way more liberal and republican than what you can achieve here.
Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- God Emperor
[x] Cornuthaum'S Constitutional Convention Cvote 1809
-[x] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
-[x] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
-[x] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
-[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
-[x] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
-[x] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
-[x] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
-[x] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
-[x] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
-[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
-[x] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
-[x] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
It is not just that, though. The design doc describes it as "Social acceptability of using violence to solve problems - internally or externally" At the moment, I find the possibility of society wide desire to violently fix internal problems to be more concerning. We want to change things up, and in any upheaval, there are always winners and losers.
Keeping the losers from being willing to violently oppose said changes is going to be one of our bigger challenges, moving forward.
That being said, I'm not convinced that expanding the franchise via cheapening low level nobility for military personnel to be a major risk of militancy.
- Location
- Staring into the void
[x] Cornuthaum'S Constitutional Convention Cvote 1809
-[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
-[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
-[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
-[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
-[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
-[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
-[X] [UH] +1 PW - Advisory
-[X] [LH] 1 PW - Advisory (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Franchise] 1 PW - All titles
-[X] [Officers] +1 PW - Easy non-inheritable titles
-[x] [LO] 2 PW - Anyone with the money
-[X] [Movement] 3 PW - Free Internal Movement (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 1 PW - Limited
-[X] [Press] +1 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Guilds] 2 PW - Fail to increase the regions of their influence (-1 Temp Happiness)
-[x] [Academy] 1 PW - Yes (Generic Academy I becomes Royal Military Academy, increasing RP generation for Military Techs)
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Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It's almost like they violently overthrew their monarchy and ransacked their own cultural heritage to sell for money or something
HanEmpire
Delicious
Ye-ah, maybe they shouldn't be used as a measuring stick.It's almost like they violently overthrew their monarchy and ransacked their own cultural heritage to sell for money or something
How does @Cornuthaum's Constitution compare to the Kielmyr and Hespranxer, our fellow Constitutional Monarchies?
Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- God Emperor
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Winning the next coalition with Europa in ash should do nicely in that department.