I realized it would be a possibility, pretty much when I wrote Waymar's reaction, I try not to intentionally 'provoke reactions' as much as I can because that way lie rails, and no one likes those.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I realized it would be a possibility, pretty much when I wrote Waymar's reaction, I try not to intentionally 'provoke reactions' as much as I can because that way lie rails, and no one likes those.
Paradosi
Myrddin
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"Hi, I am Viserys Targaryen, friend to all slavers. Honest!"
*suspicion intensifies*
*war intensifies*
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Make a plan?
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Sure we like rails, if there was no rails how would we derail anything?
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We will at least have a row with Burny. He is most certainly not going to ignore the giant middlefinger we erected in his frontyard.
At best, we can delay the inevitable for a bit, but that's days, not months.
The Three Daughters already are suspicious as hell about our movements and better a clean cut now then a mad scramble later.
If we do an enclave, they will attack when we take Tyrosh. That's an even worse scenario then this.
Diomedea
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Additionally, taking Lys means we have to move on Tyrosh almost immediately afterwards to prevent them from sending their fleet to do anything unwise, and then that's going to cause Myr to go into an outright panic, and do silly things like make pacts with devils or demons, or Volantis.
We need to treat with the notables of the city, apologize for the disruption, explain how the tree is sealing the previous threat to the city and is an important religious symbol to our gods. Ask for permission to build a "temple" around it to protect it, and make the subtext how we're irritated at being distracted from our interests to the west. The Lysene have been using divination, so they should know we are not planning on conquering them (yet).
It's not as if we can't portray our greed for Westeros as greater than our distaste for Slavers.
Working on it.
We need to treat with the notables of the city, apologize for the disruption, explain how the tree is sealing the previous threat to the city and is an important religious symbol to our gods. Ask for permission to build a "temple" around it to protect it, and make the subtext how we're irritated at being distracted from our interests to the west. The Lysene have been using divination, so they should know we are not planning on conquering them (yet).
It's not as if we can't portray our greed for Westeros as greater than our distaste for Slavers.
Working on it.
Diomedea
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I disagree, particularly if we make clear how destroying the tree = earthquake. Do you think the Lord of Dust or whatnot wouldn't intervene to prevent the Red Priests from doing something disastrous at worst, and something that increases the power of their faction at best?
Paradosi
Myrddin
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At this point? Doubtful.
We have completely fucked trade in/through the Stepstones, we've made no secret of our plans, fuck, we made our plans public via speeches. The Lysene magisters/slavers would have to be as gullible as Lysa fucking Tully(or Arryn, whatever) to believe this all this was an accident. Yes, that bad, even if all this is kind of an accident.
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The problem is less desire and more ability. If Burny manifests an Avatar, there is little anyone but a full heavy combat team from us could do to stop him.
It was here in Lys that he did so once already.
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Quite the contrary. I want him close to Viserys so that we can do something about it.
Burnys favor has no range. He can call on Garin to wreck SD while we are gone just fine.
Diomedea
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Doing so gives us the causes beli needed to outlaw the Red Priests and extinguish them. I think the locals could at least mount a desperate defense, buying us time to throw a counter-team at them. Additionally, Burny would have to drop everything to do it, since even he wont be forwarned of our actions.
Here's a bit of IC help. Malarys thinks judicious use of bribes and mind control could end up subverting Lys. that way it can look to the Tyroshi as if you have other problems while in fact securing your rear. When said dagger in the back fails to materialize the Lyseny magisters are just going to look incompetent if you play your cards right.
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I want to say that we should let the bank know of our change of plans, but is that possible without using spell resources or too much time?
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- being near locations is my passion.
We... we should at least know what our options are beforehand
Politically speaking, is there precedent in ASoIaF for "enclave" or "embassy"? What about an "Outpost"
Our troops are for holding the place... How many legionnaires do we have available? Like, what 500/700/1000?
@all, before we drop them in the tower off, a 1 min "don't burn shit, we can and will find out who did it and make you answer honestly about your part in it" speech seems prudent.
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Do we know anything about the political landscape here? I would love to solve this by intrigue, but we are utterly clueless. We don't even know who the current Archon is.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
If Burny manifest an avatar to attack the place where a new member of the old gods sleep, I expect the old gods will manifest an avatar to fight him, the old gods are full blown gods, they wont get involved with mortal attacks, but I suspect if a god decide to attack their holy sites in person, then they will hit back in person too.
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@DragonParadox, this would also be a good place for Viserys to make some OOC contribution of his own. Knowledge: War and Religion for instance, and whatever else he can contribute that is abstracted as numbers on a screen.
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[X] Plan Try Diplomacy First
-[X] Call out to Shara, and tell her she might as well come over. Apologize that we made her miss her opportunity to sell the information of our arrival, and pay her for the trouble.
-[X] If no one seems to be teleporting over in response to the disturbance after a minute or two, ask to hire Shara's services as a messenger and send her to the Goblin Market to inform the magical factions that Viserys Targaryen has settled the earthquake threat and would like to treat with the city to build a temple, and are awaiting them at the tree in the gilded quarter. The locals who matter should be consulting their magicians, and this message should reach them.
-[X] Discuss ways to keep things from spiraling out of control with your companions while you wait.
-[X] Call out to Shara, and tell her she might as well come over. Apologize that we made her miss her opportunity to sell the information of our arrival, and pay her for the trouble.
-[X] If no one seems to be teleporting over in response to the disturbance after a minute or two, ask to hire Shara's services as a messenger and send her to the Goblin Market to inform the magical factions that Viserys Targaryen has settled the earthquake threat and would like to treat with the city to build a temple, and are awaiting them at the tree in the gilded quarter. The locals who matter should be consulting their magicians, and this message should reach them.
-[X] Discuss ways to keep things from spiraling out of control with your companions while you wait.
When we take Tyrosh, Myr and Lys will stop fighting each other in the disputed territories and make a concerted effort to bite off as much Tyrosh hinterland as they can and the major landholders in that area will probably cooperate. The slave markets in the cities may be more obvious but the biggest users of slaves are large farms. A Stepstones embassy by/in the 100m heartwood would go a long way to reducing the backing of the Lys side of that venture. It won't stop it completely because the land holding nobles still have their estates as a powerbase and a really strong motivation but if the urban area is sufficiently cowed it takes away most of the cash and recruiting pool.
If we want the slaves we free to be more than impoverished sharecroppers we're going to need to institute major land reforms. Plus our mainland territories will be somewhere our neighbors' escaped slaves can flee to. both those things are existential threats to them. They have to make sure that Targaryen Tyrosh is a failure on the mainland even if they can't touch us on the island.
If we want the slaves we free to be more than impoverished sharecroppers we're going to need to institute major land reforms. Plus our mainland territories will be somewhere our neighbors' escaped slaves can flee to. both those things are existential threats to them. They have to make sure that Targaryen Tyrosh is a failure on the mainland even if they can't touch us on the island.
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You do know something of it, it just never came up IC. I'll write up a bit of a political informational post based on what your spies picked up in a bit.