LoganBert34
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Gustav bought the fittest of the men with him on the second charge, not necessarily the most experienced.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Gustav bought the fittest of the men with him on the second charge, not necessarily the most experienced.
Still...taking out the best fighters
Setting aside the very significant logistical concerns, Mathilde's focus is on the destruction of the enemy, not the protection of those that up until this very day were serving said enemy and are popping out murderous berserkers on a regular basis.
If there was another gate that we could drive people out of I'd rather corral them in a field than an urban area where they can play silly buggers but as it is it looks like we'll have to just concentrate them in some part of the town. If the white fire burns itself out sometime soon then that could give a decent size space where we can keep them under guns.
That are all things we could try (and, with a decent chance, fail at) after the battle is won. Not while struggling under assault of undead hordes.
That was in fact exactly what I had in mind when I asked the question. I don't think many of us actually care if Sylvania natives live or die but we want them to think we care, or at least care more than the vampires do. They are after all a bunch of faceless npc and ghoul bombs so if they all get turned to ash it's no real loss.
Really that's exactly what I want to happen, we give them a chance to come out and surrender (while aiming plenty of grapeshot at them) and then proceed to burn down anything that's left. It's really not that different from plain evacuating the troops, it just adds a waiting time and an announcement so that it looks like we didn't immediately jump to burning everything even though that's totally what we'd be doing. If we manage to successfully evacuate a significant number of civilians that's a nice bonus but really I mentioned it for the PR.
Still I'm not hugely attached to the idea, I'm just throwing ideas out there to see if there's any good reasons why we can't do it because it seems like a fairly decent idea to make us look better, or at least better than no warning dragon attack.
If the evil zombies and vampires prevented a safe evacuation that's merely proof of their evil in how they're willing to kill their own citizens even against the best attempts of the brave soldiers of the Empire to save them.
It's less of a "we're better than vampires" moment and more of "stop hitting yourself" one, in my opinion.
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Then there's the exact and incredibly vile nature of the enemy to consider, wherein their populations are a military resource of sorts, which may be destroyed on that ground.
Setting aside even that, there's the Renaissance-era laws of war, which I would take Warhammer to be based on, where the lawyers like Grotius in The Law of War and Peace would probably say that Sylvania being in an ongoing state of war with Stirland, Sylvanians in Sylvania are legitimate targets of war one and all, even the civilians*, even if they offer to surrender, and even if they offer to surrender unconditionally.
(Also Sylvanians in Stirland obviously, and Sylvanians on the sea, but no going after Sylvanians in a third country!)
[X] "We have the high ground. We have artillery. We level the town hall, and any other pockets of resistance, and the infantry pushes through the rubble."
This looks like Abelhelm's plan.
This looks like Abelhelm's plan.
It's not just image, it's morale. If before we clear a section, we make a corridor to our concentration zone and give our ultimatum, the when the troops go in it is much easier for them treat everything still moving in the area as hostile.
- Take the walls and gates - done
- Flatten/ storm centers of resistance - next
- Control main streets
- Purge the town in bite size chunks
- Hold remaining live populace under guard
- Reduce castle Drakenhof to molten crater
- Sort out dhar berserkers
- Exile most of them to other regions and bring in other settlers
DocMatoi
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this follows the total war conceit of the VCs being any kind of unified faction, when theyre really not. some dude from Eschen is gonna look at us stomping drakenhof and say "lol get rekt nubs, i'm gonna be way cooler" and pull some of the same old fuck shit.
[X] "The enemy has numbers but no tactical acumen. We can push the front line through a dozen streets and alleys and hold where we face resistance and push where we don't until we spill through to the town center."
I'm onboard with FULL POWER TOTAL DESTRUCTION but I prefer we be smart!angry right now.
I'm onboard with FULL POWER TOTAL DESTRUCTION but I prefer we be smart!angry right now.
chocolote12
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I mean, sometimes just shooting things until they stop being a problem is the smart answer. That option is Meatgrinder Part Two: Meatgrinding Boogaloo, and we already know that Sigmar won't help those men if they get flanked by any enemies worth noticing.
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However, I don't think that's fighting smart. Our soldiers are trained to fight as massed blocks, shoulder to shoulder. Separating them up, pushing through urban warfare, where any dead body could reanimate, skeletons could be buried, and any civilian turn into a berserker, fighting against a terrifying untiring enemy... we could lose thousands of troops. We could lose half our army.
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I made this in like five minutes because I have lost control of my life
Like we literally saw with Bundebad: "lel scrub thinking she's a real Von Carstein"
That very much not smart angry when you have a demoralized Field army being used in street fighting against an enemy type which inherently inflicts morale checks in combat. I'd take that strategy if we were using an army of stubbon ass dwarfs, but not our levies.
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Wich levies ? Isn't our army all professional soldiers who have been fighting undead for more than a year ?
The regiments have been fighting undead for more than a year yes. However that was in open field battles which favored them, against unled wild undead.
Here, every soldier knows very well that their Elector Count, the guy with a Runefang, was killed by these very undead.
Furthermore, the strategy leaves your forces spread out in long fingers, which means an enormous exposed flank. Urban warfare often confounds those who fight field battles, where an "across the board push until their weakness cracks" is a legitimate tactic, but where in a city it means that the forces marching through every street and alley are going to be in ranks of 2 deep or less, while undead attack from the front, side or even above and below. Its one extended state of being flanked, in an environment which restricts most of their weapon training.
This is the sort of job you might deploy Sewer Jacks on and win with though.
Omegahugger
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On a completely different note from everything:
He called Abel our man...
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Fair analysis, though a couple of minor things seem off. The slayers set off with the fittest soldiers under Gustav, though they'd arrive towards the back with shorter legs.
The third wave was the other non-slayer Dwarves under Thori, whose role was (amongst others?) to take the walls and set up the artillery.
Fourth wave was us. Perhaps part of the problem was the Greatswords got caught up behind the vanguard, rather than staying immediately behind us, and couldn't get through.
I took the 'Anyone?' formulation to reflect what Mathilde (if she had the leisure) or a concerned observer (Ranald, say) would think. However, it would reflect that the most likely rescuers, the 4th wave, had failed and become at best no more likely than other forces in town.
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