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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Explain that he might have magic of some sort and try to discover its nature
-[X] Ask him to allow us a completly harmless and non-invasive test
-[X] Summon a Shadow (Summon Undead 5) and ask him to try hitting it. We and Lya watch with Greater Arcane Sight and True Sight respectivly


TotallyNotEvil said:
Or a shadow or ghast. Any of them work.
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Why bother with the Janni in the first place when the Shadow is closer to the ghost he killed in the first place?

Sure it answers whether it has more to do with Undead or just ability to hit intangible beings, but there's no awkward questions of "is it really okay to hit this thing with a sword?"
 
[X] Let the matter lie until the Black brothers have gotten more used to have sorcery to call on

Becoming way more trouble than it's worth.

@Artemis1992 If we do end up summoning half the MM and avoid philosophical black holes and don't auto-confirm demon summoning rumours.

Maybe have somebody observe with Arcane Sight or similar so we get useful information besides Did Hit/Did Not Hit.
 
Switched to shadow, but I bet you people will call us Necromancer next week.
Not that I had an issue with that if we actuall were one...
 
@Artemis1992 I think summoning undead has an IC/OOC disconnect in "awfulness", but just in case, uh, please don't summon undead in front of strangers?

You have a few namevotes that might be sad if this happens :(
 
Artemis1992 said:
@LonelyWolf999 @BeepSmile @Helo89 @das_slash @Duesal @nixter @mrsean22 @iggyfan @Scribbler @A_Somebody @ryuan

Just wanted to inform you that TNE convinced me to summon a Shadow rather than a Janni.

Both to make seeing the effect more likely, since it initially worked against an incorporeal Undead and because asking him to hit a summoned person is kinda weird, but a Shadow is always an acceptable target.
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He can hit the summoned person in the arm. The undead-dy aspect of it is worth testing, but why do you think that having people know we are necromancer be worth a little check? How could the possible gains be worth the possible costs?

@TotallyNotEvil - as the convincy person, I ask you the same question?

in the meantime

[X] Let the matter lie until the Black brothers have gotten more used to have sorcery to call on
 
BeepSmile said:
He can hit the summoned person in the arm. The undead-dy aspect of it is worth testing, but why do you think that having people know we are necromancer be worth a little check? How could the possible gains be worth the possible costs?

@TotallyNotEvil - as the convincy person, I ask you the same question?

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It's not about his thoughts on hitting a person so much as the follow up questions of Who, What, When, Where, Why and How in the fuck does the quasi-demi-human-oid-gestalt-thing [blank].
 
Deliste said:
It's not about his thoughts on hitting a person so much as the follow up questions of Who, What, When, Where, Why and How in the fuck does the quasi-demi-human-oid-gestalt-thing [blank].
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Ok, I'm assuming that this: "ow in the fuck does the quasi-demi-human-oid-gestalt-thing [blank]" is some sort of attempt to represent a brain-stall/incomprehension, 'cuz I have no idea what you mean otherwise. Please clarify if incorrect.

We can tell him a) there are answers to his questions, so calm down. b)we don't have time to teach him (takes about 3? months to get the basics), and he should focus on the important bit.

And... am I fucking mad? Does the possibility of summoning an undead in front of muggles, or just above muggle, not register as something that is potentially a cause problems to other players? Is it all not a problem and I'm just seeing false patterns in the fact that this game has whole bunch of fluff trumping game mechanics (i.e. a skelington crew for your ship causing recently dead to get up again when it pulls into port and some dead mugging victim deciding it wants a nice snack*)?, the fact that this is actually one of the few places we can get a good rep... why? Why summon a thing that causes scary-bad feelings? That is proof, that Viserys Targaryen messes with life and death in an unwholesome way?

*Vee's village. Westhaven (may or may not be intentional on the part of Douchbag-god, probably not imo, but Vee's village was absolutely a side effect of the killing with mandrake)

Edit: Or, Viserys can cast greater blink and the dude can stab him in the arm. Just... undead. In Front of muggles/barely past muggles. What.

Edit: Would like to offer a genie, or greater blink, but voting for nothing to help them, to avoid... well, what I feel to be a poor decision.
 
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[X] Let the matter lie until the Black brothers have gotten more used to have sorcery to call on

I'm sure that Duesal's point about "this is what we wanted, we're here, we might as well" or whatever resonates with some of you... but it doesn't with me, considering none of these people trust us farther than they can throw us. They are looking for a reason to not like us.

Well, the people on the fence still, anyway.

Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Feb 22, 2018 at 12:34 AM, finished with 157697 posts and 23 votes.
  • [X] Explain that he might have magic of some sort and try to discover its nature
    -[X] Ask him to allow us a completly harmless and non-invasive test
    -[X] Summon a Shadow (Summon Undead 5) and ask him to try hitting it. We and Lya watch with Greater Arcane Sight and True Sight respectivly
    [X] Let the matter lie until the Black brothers have gotten more used to have sorcery to call on
    [X] Explain that he might have magic of some sort and try to discover its nature
    -[X] Ask him to allow us a completly harmless and non-invasive test
    -[X] Summon a Janni, let it go Etheral and ask him to try hitting it. We and Lya watch with Greater Arcane Sight and True Sight respectivly
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Crake said:
[X] Let the matter lie until the Black brothers have gotten more used to have sorcery to call on

I'm sure that Duesal's point about "this is what we wanted, we're here, we might as well" or whatever resonates with some of you... but it doesn't with me, considering none of these people trust us farther than they can throw us. They are looking for a reason to not like us.

Well, the people on the fence still, anyway.
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I'm pretty sure that we could offer a quick "stab me in the arm, let's see what happens" and it would be helpful, but instead, I'm tactically voting. I'm not sure if I've even done that before, and that's why I'm a bit more annoyed than I should be*, tactical voting goes against the spirit of these things imo.

Still, a "not helping" vote will save IC time, at least.

*Also, am a bit tired and cranky. And really want a smoke.
 
No summoning Undead here. Are you guys nuts? These people have to fight undead all the time.

[X] Let the matter lie until the Black brothers have gotten more used to have sorcery to call on

Anything to avoid that.
 
Not even Viserys would enter into the kind of insane troll logic to justify to himself why self mutilation is more acceptable an alternative as opposed to summoning something innately stab-able like a Shadow, just to avoid offending any sensibilities.
 
Crake said:
Not even Viserys would enter into the kind of insane troll logic to justify to himself why self mutilation is more acceptable an alternative as opposed to summoning something innately stab-able like a Shadow, just to avoid offending any sensibilities.
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He cuts his hand all the time for blood magic and magic healing is a thing. *shrugs*

The greater blink thing could just be the blade hitting the flesh if thingy can give a sword ghost touch and then not cutting or just a small nick. Really so much less of a big deal than summoning a self-replicating undead. It's not a danger to the party, but it does seem like the sort of habit one would like to avoid as one day, a summoned shadow will make a friend. A secret friend. And that friend will make more friends before Viserys/Party finds out.

Also, generally summoning undead seems like the kind of thing that turns you super creepy like the necromance in Volantis. Like, super creepy
 
It's not "VIserys would never consider self mutiliation if it was necessary to advance scientific magical understanding on a subject", it's more "Viserys would never accept lowering himself to that, and it would be lowering, as opposed to something not only more likely to achieve expected results, but also completely kosher as far as the morality of stabbing something goes, if not summoning it in the first place".
 
So guys are we slaughtering slave armies or are we trying to prevent as many slave fatalities as possible and just killing the slavers in the slave cities?
 
Just a reminder, we are not actually turning some poor soul into a Shadow here, or even call a natural one from the Plane of Shadows.
We are summoning (Conjuration [Summoning]), no Necromancy and no Calling involved. The most harmless way of temporarily getting an undead for testing purposes that exists.
Summon Undead I – Spell – D&D Tools
 
@Artemis1992, a compromise to just see if he can hit us in Greater Blink would be better. It would be seriously annoying if we talk to Benjen yet don't get to test his magic at all.

Having the Shadow in your vote is activating max paranoia among voters.
 
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