Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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I don't think we should show the the LE gem. That thing isn't a cursed item. It's got a strong LE aura because it imprisons a powerful LE being's soul.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I don't think we should show the the LE gem. That thing isn't a cursed item. It's got a strong LE aura because it imprisons a powerful LE being's soul.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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[X] Plan the Truth, the Truth, and Nothing but the Truth.
-[X] During the approach to the Opaline Vault we talk to Embra.
-[X] "We must seem incredibly cagey, even though I am sure we have nothing to fear by your curiosity and even the interest of your Father or the Sultan. To be sure, even furthering connections with the Shaitan would not go amiss, in an ideal world."
-[X] "However, we do not live in an ideal world. We live in a world beset by many dangers, one among them the fiery eye which sits upon the Brazen Throne, one who, alas, has had their ire drawn upon me and mine. I do not regret this, for he is a vileness akin to that of the fiends with which he consorts, and I have already sworn to contend with all Devils or Demons who think my home fit to feast upon."
-[X] "But I am a ruler, and rulers must insist on a longer perspective: The Brazen Throne might have personal enmity, but so long as their rivals are occupied with internal affairs, mere assassins will not thwart us. Entire armies, drawn from further afield? Otherworldly hosts embattled over the lands I have sworn to protect? I could not countenance such..."
-[X] "...unless I had the ability to dissuade the notions of both Fiends, and Efreeti, and Aberrant horrors, all at once. A state of affairs I am currently working towards, so that I may engage in both trade, diplomacy and exchange of culture with people like the noble Djinn, the Shaitann, and all others who do not wish my home ill."
-[X] "Your father is someone of significant influence in the Sultan's court, no? Were I to approach your people's leaders directly with both knowledge and ready and established trade partners, prepared to trade and stave off the influence of our mutual foes, that could be the building blocks of a friendship between our two peoples to last."
-[X] "Now, though? A land filled with the fearful and uninitiated in the web and weave of the world? More apt to strike out at the unknown than embrace it in friendship? Misguided men and women who could, unknowing but willfully still, draw themselves into lasting conflict with those who could instead be allies?"
-[X] "If I may have no further words to convince you my Lady, I apologize, but would you be open to initiating discussions between I and the court of the Djinn, should such a time approach?"
-[X] During the approach to the Opaline Vault we talk to Embra.
-[X] "We must seem incredibly cagey, even though I am sure we have nothing to fear by your curiosity and even the interest of your Father or the Sultan. To be sure, even furthering connections with the Shaitan would not go amiss, in an ideal world."
-[X] "However, we do not live in an ideal world. We live in a world beset by many dangers, one among them the fiery eye which sits upon the Brazen Throne, one who, alas, has had their ire drawn upon me and mine. I do not regret this, for he is a vileness akin to that of the fiends with which he consorts, and I have already sworn to contend with all Devils or Demons who think my home fit to feast upon."
-[X] "But I am a ruler, and rulers must insist on a longer perspective: The Brazen Throne might have personal enmity, but so long as their rivals are occupied with internal affairs, mere assassins will not thwart us. Entire armies, drawn from further afield? Otherworldly hosts embattled over the lands I have sworn to protect? I could not countenance such..."
-[X] "...unless I had the ability to dissuade the notions of both Fiends, and Efreeti, and Aberrant horrors, all at once. A state of affairs I am currently working towards, so that I may engage in both trade, diplomacy and exchange of culture with people like the noble Djinn, the Shaitann, and all others who do not wish my home ill."
-[X] "Your father is someone of significant influence in the Sultan's court, no? Were I to approach your people's leaders directly with both knowledge and ready and established trade partners, prepared to trade and stave off the influence of our mutual foes, that could be the building blocks of a friendship between our two peoples to last."
-[X] "Now, though? A land filled with the fearful and uninitiated in the web and weave of the world? More apt to strike out at the unknown than embrace it in friendship? Misguided men and women who could, unknowing but willfully still, draw themselves into lasting conflict with those who could instead be allies?"
-[X] "If I may have no further words to convince you my Lady, I apologize, but would you be open to initiating discussions between I and the court of the Djinn, should such a time approach?"
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Her uncle would be a better bet.
ryuan
From Zero to Hero!
You know, I always thought that's quite hard for an Outsider to reach the Prime Material plane. You guys make it sound like they can plan an invasion whenever they want. If that were the case the Demons wouldn't need to go out of their way on Malarys to open the gate.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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They may not be able to march an army there soon, but groups of elite, well equipped mercenaries, all PC grade, could crush mortal armies by the thousands, and cause a capitulation much sooner by just targeting leaders/nobility wherever they try to conquer.
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Might I convince you of my plan? Or is there any manner in which you think it is deficient? I just want to postpone this until we're more well established. Maybe I can't prevent that from happening before we reclaim the Iron Throne, but we can at least put it off until we've taken control of the Disputed Lands.
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Might I convince you of my plan? Or is there any manner in which you think it is deficient? I just want to postpone this until we're more well established. Maybe I can't prevent that from happening before we reclaim the Iron Throne, but we can at least put it off until we've taken control of the Disputed Lands.
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The gate is for the endless mook hordes of the Abyss to bring their full, literally infinite numbers to bear. Everything in between chaff and Godlike Demon Lord usually can travel somehow, if only through the assistance of stupid mortals. As shown by the enormous number of low-to-mid level Demons already at Mantarys.
They don't need an invasion force, a couple of dudes about as powerful as us could toss everything into small-c chaos just by using their power freely because 90% of Planetos is defenseless against magic in that level.
Something to remember is the only reason we haven't taken Westeros yet is we want it as intact as possible and with little in the way of rebellions after the fact. Random Outsiders will have no such compunctions about breaking a few eggs to make an omelet, and therefore nothing to stop them from dropping into a random castle and declaring they are in charge now.
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That was in earlier times. We had lower-level sorcerers conjuring lower-level demons.
Had they conjured demons with Planeshift, the game would have been up since those demons could simply bring more demons in that also have planeshift, and we'd have been facing a much different invasion. The Gate was for mass-importing chaff.
I mean, look at the devils. The infestation is extensive, probably because now they've got devils with Planeshift on Prime Material who can then bring others. The demons never got that chance.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Adding those username tags in as an edit won't actually alert anyone. Edited tags are weird like that.
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- United States
@Crake, editing in the names doesn't alert them. You need to make a new post entirely.
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- Australia
Sorcerer casting equal to HD-2 is only a +2 CR increase
Even the game knows Sorcerer's are the redheaded stepchildren of casters
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Plane Shift is actually somewhat rare among Outsiders, IIRC. Some of them that have it are limited to transporting themselves only, too.
That's one of the main reasons that Outsiders rely on mortals to Call them to the Material Plane.
Ironically Demons and Devils are less likely to cause real, long lasting chaos simply because they'd never declare themselves King of a place at random. Devils are too committed to their bosses and Demons would never bother ruling anything.
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- Brazil
What's wrong with it?
Anyway, big-ass outsider invasion usually results in a tremendous upswell in mortal heroes beating back the invasion itself.
The world isn't that fragile. While we do act as World Police, there are a ton of gods of the material. The nice thing about an irredeemably evil foe is that even bitter enemies will usually set aside their differences to, if not cooperate, to not harm each other and focus on beating back them nazis. Usually with a lot of nasty slurs.
But really, we should probably cultivate a reputation for keeping a kernel full of barghests for "special guests".
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Make that a handful of Gods because of how the Material only just came back, most of which are already busy, some of which are Evil and maybe even worse than the invaders.
There might be more Gods who are like Yss would have been without us, namely there but useless because they are at death's door.
And the real problem isn't the Evil ones. The real problem is the Good and Neutral ones charging in and turning the pretty borders of everything we want to conquer into a patchwork of supernatural fiefdoms in constant chaos.
And people looking to us because we promised we'd deal with this sort of thing, but they don't understand this isn't the same thing because they have none of the relevant Knowledge skills to differentiate Djinn and Demons.
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[X] Crake
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- United States
It has a curse. That's why I'm suggesting we take it to the highly specialized curse-breaker.
We take it to a specialist, at the very least getting suggestions on rituals to get rid of the curse, and we're one step closer to making it usable. If we're lucky we might even get a way to remove the curse entirely.
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- Brazil
The way to avoid that is make it very clear that if you fuck up, the Rape Train will ride all the way down the final station before we are through.
Because I can't take you seriously if you say that nothing good can possibly come out of this.
Anyway, that should end solved once it's reforged. Now that's something that might be worth spending a wish on, "restore this artifact to its peak form".
And none of which won't recognize a threat like your doomsaying is implying.
Because I can't take you seriously if you say that nothing good can possibly come out of this.
Huh, I completely forgot about that.
It has a curse. That's why I'm suggesting we take it to the highly specialized curse-breaker.
We take it to a specialist, at the very least getting suggestions on rituals to get rid of the curse, and we're one step closer to making it usable. If we're lucky we might even get a way to remove the curse entirely.
Anyway, that should end solved once it's reforged. Now that's something that might be worth spending a wish on, "restore this artifact to its peak form".
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- Somewhere in Ontario
You know, I may just be reading this completely wrong/misunderstanding the magic item mechanics (I don't think 3.5e has 5e style attunement mechanics for most magic items, does it?), but couldn't we just have the "wielder" put it away before sunset and so... not trigger the effect?
I mean, we'd probably still want a cursebreaker to look at it, if only to figure out if we could get rid of the downside without affecting the weapon, but is there something I'm missing?
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Curses have more effects upon the wielder of the item than what mechanics state. We can assume that when it comes to curses, nothing is so simple a simply hiding the weapon away in a lead lined box and covering your eyes and ears in hopes nothing bad happens.
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By getting expert advice we'd be closer to reforging it. There's pretty much no reason not to seek out those services while we're in the Opaline Vault.
Mental effects that we don't even know about. That's been a nasty pattern in most cursed items we've come across.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Honestly @Duesal, I'm hesitant to bring it to them. It's Valyrian Steel, forged of blood magic, possibly counting against legal code restricting objects involving fiendish origins.
Because it might have been tempered in the blood of fiends.
And even if not, still blood magic, still spooky as hell.
Because it might have been tempered in the blood of fiends.
And even if not, still blood magic, still spooky as hell.