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Possibly. Unless, of course, lying would lead to an outcome that is more pacifying.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Possibly. Unless, of course, lying would lead to an outcome that is more pacifying.
rkyeun
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I understand the Catholic dogma on the matter of cloning, probably better than you do. I understand the Flat Earther arguments on the shape of the Earth, too, yet the Earth remains round. When you cross your eyes, it is your vision that shakes, not the ground. For sake of politeness and forum rules, I'm going to have to leave it at that.
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Well as long as you don't act like last time and remember that said opinion is in fact just an opinion then it's quite alright.
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Actually, never telling a lie can work very well, just look at Doc Scratch in Homestuck.
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Your snark impresses nobody.
Well, if I argued with everyone who disagreed with me, then I would not be able to go five minutes on the internet without causing a flame war. But keep in mind that there is a reason why I wear my religion like a badge on my sleeve like I do.
I don't think Nabu is insane in the way we understand madness. Fifty years on a shelf wouldn't have made much difference since the helmet sat in a tomb for centuries yes? We don't know enough about normal cillian psychology, much less that of one ascended to becoming a lord of order to determine that.
What we can reasonably assume is that A: crazy is chaotic and thus a being of order would be resistant to it, and B: the thinking of a cillian Lord of Order is going to be different enough from human that he may appear somewhat crazy or at least incomprehensible to us. He almost comes across like an AI that has specific rules rather than ethics governing it's behavior.
That being the case, Nabu is sort of clueless when it comes to dealing with humans. Most humans would get that messing with someone's life is a good way to get kicked to the curb, regardless of your good intentions. Kent's wife probably had to put up with Nabu being a dick to her and saw him pulling other BS to push him into being Fate more often. Her convincing Kent to quit probably involved her pointing out how big a dick Nabu was being and that he wasn't likely to stop.
What we can reasonably assume is that A: crazy is chaotic and thus a being of order would be resistant to it, and B: the thinking of a cillian Lord of Order is going to be different enough from human that he may appear somewhat crazy or at least incomprehensible to us. He almost comes across like an AI that has specific rules rather than ethics governing it's behavior.
That being the case, Nabu is sort of clueless when it comes to dealing with humans. Most humans would get that messing with someone's life is a good way to get kicked to the curb, regardless of your good intentions. Kent's wife probably had to put up with Nabu being a dick to her and saw him pulling other BS to push him into being Fate more often. Her convincing Kent to quit probably involved her pointing out how big a dick Nabu was being and that he wasn't likely to stop.
Empiricist2
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I think in this continuity his problem is either specifically with Superman, or he has a problem with the amount of power the League represents without the requisite oversight. I don't think he actually thinks the League itself does more harm than good, which is demonstrably false. Maybe it causes people to be placid when they could develop better defences, but that's hardly the League's fault.
I think there are some moral grey areas, even in non-theistic moral systems, with designing sentient organisms for a singular task. Editing their genes to minimize genetic diseases and maximize intelligence/health/whatever is one thing, engineering someone so that they will only ever be suited for a singular purpose, specifically a combat purpose, is another. It's not necessarily wrong, but it's definitely not a "this is obviously fine, why are we even talking about this" issue.
As for what Kryptonians did on Kryoton, that hardly matters. No one theoretically involved in the cloning process that would happen on Earth has ever adopted Krypton's views on societal cloning.
Last time I checked none of the Abrahamic deities were either orange nor serpentine. Has that changed recently?
Prince Charon
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Someone mentioned earlier the idea of Nabu being written up for disOrderly conduct for the way he left the meeting. I find it sad that we probably won't get to see his reaction to that.
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Unless we get an omake.
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Omake bait alert!
Anyone here remembers how to write a formal letter of reprimand?
I'm a little impressed? A decent drag is a decent drag.
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Oh certainly. That's why I didn't say that was on firm standing.
Of course, you'll also note I didn't say cloning was on firm standing. I said it was on the same shaky standing as traditional reproduction.
I'm an anti-natalist. I think until we have closed the last orphanage, fed the last starving child, and already prepaid the trust fund to hand out a life expectancy's worth of living expenses to the child, that nobody anywhere should be having any children. And that we certainly shouldn't leave it "up to" the "design" of whatever anyone with an imaginary friend claims the friend "wants".
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I seemed to have overestimated the quality of humor of the SV-ers here.
Ah, Utilitarianism.
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There being a reason for you to do it doesn't mean any of us want it waved in our faces.
Please understand, I'm not trying to be rude, but plenty of people have had religion forced onto them, and this is a sci-fi forum (among a few other things)
It's likely viewed as...invasive when religious people take it upon themselves to "educate" while others are here for entertainment.
"Um, Zatanna, I know you're a practicing Christian, so I thought you ought to know..."
"Know what?"
"...the Ophidian assimilated God last week. Sorry."
"WHAT?!"
"Hey, look, it was an accident! I didn't think it would actually work!"
"This is horrible!"
"Oh, and um, what with the Ophidian's heart being my soul and my being her Agent, this kind of makes me Greed Jesus."
GhostKing 666
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Nabu is insane by normal human standards the same way Paul is insane by normal human standards, the difference between them is that while Paul achieved avarice Enlightenment and gained the Heart of Ophidian as his soul, Nabu got order enlightenment and then went on to ascend to being a Lord of Order, further stripping himself of the none-orderly parts of his personality. Crazy doesn't mean chaotic, it means having a mental state sufficiently different then what is normal for a species and even if you judge Nabu by Cillian standards he would probably still come across as being heavily warped from the norm do to so thoroughly embracing the principles of capital O Order.
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Traditionally with a keyboard, but if you're particularly contrary you could copy-paste individual letters out of Character Map to write an omake with your mouse.
There's also speech to text programs so you can dictate one, they've gotten pretty good in the last few years.
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You can also draw with a stylus on your tablet's screen. They've gotten pretty good at that.
Of course, you can also just command the AI in your ring to do it. Power rings are awesome.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
This may also be necessary if you drink while reading internet forums, and ruin your keyboard by doing a spittake.
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That kind of view point is nothing like utilitarism.Ah, Utilitarianism.
Prince Charon
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Um, can we, maybe, not argue about religion, or insult people's religions, please? I'm concerned that it may result in an annoyed mod delivering a 'Shut Up and Behave' message.
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Nabu can hardly be called enlightened, in fact he's kinda the opposite, he's focused on Order the same way Larfleeze is focused on greed. He's so concerned about not doing anything that goes against Order that he's unable to do actions with temporary chaotic repercussions which would allow for more Order in the future. Basically he's so unable to see beyond his 'MUST INCREASE ORDER' credo that any short term gains he'll make will be undone by people who'll go against him due to his short sightedness.
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I, um, may have recently needed to use the virtual keyboard to type "how do I clean soda out of a keyboard."
Surprisingly it was fine after having about half a liter of coke dumped on it (my headset snagged oddly when I wasn't thinking, it was an unusual situation). Unplugged it, wiped it off thoroughly, and let it dry. Keys aren't even sticky.
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