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Possible scene:
Black-Iris: "It's nice to finally met you."
OL: o_O (staring)
Black-Iris: "What? Is there something on my face?"
OL: (lying) "Sorry, Flash failed to mention how beautiful you are."
Black-Iris: "Oh my, what a little charmer."
[later]
Flash: "Okay, what was the real reason you were staring at my girl?"
OL: (lying through misdirection) "How the bloody hell did you score a woman so far out of your league? I don't know whether to give you a high-five or a punch to the face."
Flash: (smugness) :ogles: "The ladies love a man with a good sense of humor."

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Something to consider. Remember what Truggs said happened after The Reach finished having its way with Earth.

Earth basically became a vassal state under them.

Because Earth was so fucked up after the Reach left that Thanagar had to do something to pick up the pieces. Truggs said in that same section how he personally didn't blame the Thanagarians because without them Earth would have been more fucked and with no help at all.

Truggs and his deal was how Earth got shafted from rising on the interstellar stage because of the Reach and other alien invader assholes. Because the JL was not enough or they weren't there at the time to stop Earth getting wrecked. Truggs did mention history in his time on the 21st century was incomplete in some ways.

True Truggs helping supervillians isn't going to work on a macro level for uplifting the entirety of the Earth because supervillians are notoriously self absorbed and are probably not going to work for the common good of creating space defenses or ensuring humanity branches out and off of Earth.

Look at The Light's great plan. Mind control the Justice League. Right there. The League existing is not the problem, it is that there are not a lot of backups Earth can rely on beyond the League to ensure planetary protection.

The Light had 2 Green Lanterns under full control with Guy Gardner fighting it off somewhat. What did The Light do? Did they use their access to 2 GLs to see if they had info on super space technology that Jordan and Stewart would be helpful enough to download files into as many high capacity hard drives as possible so LexCorp could get started on some of the more buildable shit? No. It was up to Paul to access the tech and that was a sidenote to Paul having to assimilate Stewart's ring to get an accurate stellar map to return to Earth.

Paul is Truggs done right in approach. Truggs is Truggs done wrong in methodology. Truggs has no at least to my knowledge legitimate government contacts or exposure in regards to human advancement. Paul does. For all that Truggs rails against special snowflakes and one offs on technology. he works with people who embody that ideal. The last Truggs mention was when Paul captured Doctor Cyber and Truggs was on the other end of the comm line. Did Cyber ever sell her advanced robot designs for mass production to revolutionize automation or beef up military combat drones or something? Probably not.

There's also that bias Truggs has against the democratic process. During Truggs's gloating speech during the Gotham and Bane incident, Truggs sneered at the rule of crowds, as he put it. And how democracy seemingly failed in mobilizing Earth to resist a fail and we die alien invasion. But democracy wasn't the problem, it was over reliance on the League or the lack of will to branch out or whatever.
 
Eh, It's implied pretty heavily that a proper host (not Wally) merges with Nabu on some level while they're Dr Fate.
I was under the impression Nabu turned Giovanni into a meat puppet Goa'uld-style. Heck, even the League calls him "Nabu" and not "Doctor Fate".

Question: Would Giovanni have to sing "Never Gonna Give You Up" backwards to magically annoy Nabu?

"pu uoy evig annog reveN! nwod uoy tel annog reveN! uoy tresed dna dnuora nur annog reveN!"
 
Triumph of the Will (part 7)
9th April
16:51 GMT +1


"I had a brief discussion with Batman about this last year, but I don't think that the current method of recruiting League members is a good one, and I think that it may break down entirely before too long."

Yes, I know that the purpose of the organisation should be to fulfil the aims of the organisation and not merely to perpetuate the organisation, but this sort of thing does need to get thought about every so often.

"At present, any member may propose a new member and every member has a veto." And I'm not thinking too much about what it means that no one at all voted against Nabu. "The problem with this is that as the League grows, more people have a veto and the chance of someone being approved is reduced. This isn't exactly helped by the fact that there's no clear recruitment criteria. The practice so far appears to be for members to nominate people they've met and checked out, with little or no consideration given to what skills would be most useful to the League. For example-" The holograms move around me. "-Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman, Hawkwoman, Major Atom, Captain Marvel, Red Tornado and Icon all have both super strength and the ability to fly. Only Accomplished Perfect Physician can heal injuries. However good they were at their job, however good and trustworthy a person they were, how much would having another strong flier add to the League's capacities? Similarly, the League has one magic user. My team has five, not counting Troia's evocations. The League has one telepath. And as a consequence of recruiting known quantities, the League is somewhat American-heavy. No offence intended to my colonial brethren."

There's an extremely polite laugh from a few places.

"No one's going to refuse access to the Justice League on the grounds of nationality, but that does mean that you're ignoring a huge pool of talent because the people who have it don't live in the right place. For example-" A new hologram. "-this is He Who Follows. He works in Iran. Aside from myself and Batman, had anyone heard of him?"

Blank.

"Super speed, regeneration, some sort of air current manipulation. He also follows League guidelines on use of force and cooperation with the local authorities." To be fair though, he's been active for less time than everyone here except Icon. Another hologram. "This is Janissary. She's a medical doctor and magic user and she's been active since nineteen ninety nine." That is to say, as long as Batman and longer than most of the others. "Wonder Woman, you were actively looking for more female superheroes. Have you heard of her?"

She shakes her head. "I think I may have to arrange to meet her."

"Roughly a quarter of Atlantean battlemages are female. More, if you expand your selection criteria to magic users who can both cast combat spells and do other things. There are an awful lot of people around who could be on the Justice League who aren't getting a look in."

"
But let's move back onto the organisational issue. The more people taking part in decision making, the more people who need to be consulted, the slower decision making becomes. That's fine for a small group, but the League isn't a small group any longer. And I'm assuming that you aren't planning to stop expanding, because if you are… Several of my team mates are going to be rather upset with you. I haven't seen anything written down about how big you're planning on getting, just as I haven't seen anything written down about what you're recruiting for. But, I came up with a few possibilities for future organisational structures, each of which could work. Then, you need to decide which way you want to take it."

"
Firstly, you could certificate existing superheroes. Propagate a set of standards, offer equipment, training and League facilities. Though they wouldn't become League members, that would give you a wider pool of people to draw on in a crisis and a wider skill base. And let those of you who maintain secret identities have some time off every so often." A few rueful nods. "Current League members would in effect serve as officers and keep those functions involved in the running of the organisation divided amongst themselves. People would only be promoted to the League proper when there were openings due to death or retirement, and those openings would be filled by affiliates."

"
Secondly -and I'll warn you that in the style of Sir Humphrey Appleby this is very similar to the first option- you continue to recruit anyone with the right skill set, but appoint an executive to approve new members.. and make most other operational decisions. This executive would probably be elected by the membership as a whole. This has the advantage of not causing those nominated for membership to feel excluded, but would most likely result in some of the people who are currently members losing some of their authority."

The Earth 12 option. Sort of. I never got the feeling that the authority of the original seven was in any way up for debate, even when a good proportion of the membership flat out hated Hawkgirl.

Now for Sir Humphrey's option three. The unacceptable one. "Alternatively, it may be easier not to recruit from existing superheroes at all, and instead train your own from scratch. By that, I don't mean taking on a lot more sidekicks. I mean find people -ex-military, police, or just people who have the right attitude- put them through a training program and if they pass give them super powers." I hold my hands forward and take two vials out of subspace. "Both the Danner and Garrick Formulae are easily mass produced." I send them back into subspace and take out the most recent iteration of my power armour. "Power armour, perfectly mass producible as both the Russian government and LexCorp are proving. Cold guns, mass producible. Orichalcum, not currently mass producible but we're working on it. Kinetic belts-" I tap mine. "-mass producible… With a little difficulty. If you're willing to move away from the traditional style of superheroism, you can get a lot of-."

"How about cloning Kryptonians?" The set of Superman's jaw indicates his displeasure at the idea.

"Of course not, sir. Creating people purely to use them as weapons is grotesquely immoral, the only pure Kryptonian produced by Human science is insane and hybrids like Kon don't really have much advantage over Danner Formula augmented Humans." Though I do need to talk to him about this after the meeting. "Bringing arcane education to the surface world would also produce a pool of people with useful and currently very hard to get abilities. I know-" I look at King Orin. "-several governments have expressed an interest in doing their part to ensure that we don't ever have another Roanoke Island."

"It cannot." Thank you, Nabu. "The Witch Boy cannot both channel such great magics and evade my detection."

What's the politest way to put this..? That will still set him off? "Nabu… You're not exactly a Klarion hard counter. Of the last three occasions you met him-" I dismiss the holograms and replace them with a recording from my perspective of the top of the Tower of Fate. "-on the first, you spent the whole fight on the defensive until I arrived-" The image shows Nabu being protected by a shield as Klarion throws red lightning at him. "-and I was the one who went after his familiar. Successfully." A scene shift. "At sixteen percent power. And Klarion still got away."

"My host was not properly able to-."

"The second time you met -on Roanoke- Klarion was able to retreat unimpeded again." The holoprojector shows Klarion waving goodbye as his shield fails. "And to be honest, having read up on that jewel I'm not entirely sure that your contribution was entirely-."

"The Witch Boy fled before I could bring my full might to bear."

"Though at that point, his allies had already recovered the Starro fragment from STAR Labs. He didn't have any reason to stay and try to fight you." The hologram switches to showing me fighting in this very room while another shows Nabu being taken down by my team mates. "Then the third time, you were mind controlled by him, having been in the vicinity of other people being mind controlled by him for some time without realising it. And having not felt his magic in the Starro tech itself. My binding chains held Klarion perfectly well, Lord of Chaos or not." Honest enquiry face. "Do you think it might benefit you to become more closely involved-"

Nabu stands. "I will not be spoken to in this manner!"

"-in my arcane research projects? Or would you-"

A golden ankh forms around Nabu and a moment later he's gone.

I don't smile.

"-rather storm off like a petulant child?"
 
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If so, why? Is there something in the rules against committing murder? I have a hard time believing there is.
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2: Don't be hateful.

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That means, for example, you can't:
  • Advocate any serious violence against any group of people;
  • Advocate any kind of harassment or violence against any specific person;
  • Use racial, ethnic, gender-based, or any other kind of slurs;
  • Talk about how great it would be if someone was subject to rape, torture, maiming, or other extreme punishments.
Would apply if your murderee fit into an identifiable grouping, especially if other members of that grouping saw the murder as an attack against that group, and made a report to a mod.

Does it at all change if the person murdered was also a member of the forum?
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3: Be civil to other users.

Do not post in a way which is discourteous or indecorous. It is possible to disagree, even vehemently, with people both on and off the site in a constructive manner.
That means, for example, you can't:
  • Post personal attacks or insults which are overly abrasive or otherwise offensive;
  • Threaten to use the site's report or ignore functions, or use or discuss the use of those functions in a way that might disrupt the peace;;
  • Publicly distribute information about someone else which is conventionally understood to be private;
  • Create, join, or post in a thread specifically to attack someone else.
Would apply any time you murdered a forum member, due to the inherent civility of murder.

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5: Don't make it harder for us to do our jobs.

You can't do anything that, for whatever reason, gets in the way of the Staff doing our jobs or which could cause trouble for Sufficient Velocity that we would have to clean up.
That means, for example, that you can't:
  • Create multiple accounts without staff permission;
  • Encourage other users to break the rules;
  • Challenge a staff action outside of the normal appeals process or a complaint in the Management forum;
  • Attempt to get around the rules and the staff's enforcement of them;
  • Use Sufficient Velocity to plan or otherwise participate in any kind of behavior that might be against the rules or law elsewhere.
Also applies if you murder a mod, administrator, someone with an open support ticket, if a frequent/popular poster stops posting due to being dead and the mods have to come in and restore order. Also if you murder sparks a riot, civil war, or Armageddon that is disruptive enough to a mods Real Life it affects their ability to perform duties as a mod.

Kinda begs the question: if murder builds up infraction points, how does @Jamie Roberts manage to not be permanently suspended?
I can answer that one! Because she responds to all murder related talk in the hypothetical. And everyone knows that when you answer in the hypothetical, you most definitely not admitting to any specific and actionable wrongdoing.

It doesn't count if they can't find the body! They really should have checked for canibalism.
You are not the first person to tell me it is not murder until/unless they find the body. Are you also secretly a deposed Chilean dictator?
 
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Fucking Christ Nabu is salty.

Talked to in what matter? Accountability? Competence? Commitment?

If you're not sealing the deal and winning the fight then what's the point?

"My host was not properly able to-."

"The second time you met -on Roanoke- Klarion was able to retreat unimpeded again." The holoprojector shows Klarion waving goodbye as his shield fails. "And to be honest, having read up on that amulet I'm not entirely sure that your contribution was entirely-."

"The Witch Boy fled before I could bring my full might to bear."

Nabu, this is the first time I'm hearing that your Limit Break requires a charge up time.
 
Nabu, this is the first time I'm hearing that your Limit Break requires a charge up time.
Well, he was still trying to get comfortable with an unfamiliar interface. It's not entirely unreasonable that his lack of experience having the body of an adolescent human female might cause his concentration to be less than ideal.
 
You know, I recall reading somewhere that Nabu was part of the reason that magic didn't spread beyond a few mages and the Atlantian magical societies.

It was something about how the dispersal of magical knowledge would upset the world's order. I can't remember where I read that, but it seems very much in-character for him.
 
Well, he was still trying to get comfortable with an unfamiliar interface. It's not entirely unreasonable that his lack of experience having the body of an adolescent human female might cause his concentration to be less than ideal.

But all we hear so far is excuses and special circumstances and then tantrums. You use excuses at work. You use excuses at home. You use excuses when you're in trouble.

Where you don't use excuses is when shit is counting on you to get done. Nabu's claim is that he is a Lord of Order and what he does is good enough. Then act like it. He still has not provided a solution to any of the problems or issues brought up. He has just decried OL as not being good enough or an outright chaos worshiper...which means fuck all in negative terms to probably the rest of the League. Wonder Woman is not dissing Paul for choosing Eris. He refuses to expand and OL a non magic user, is pushing forward magic initiatives.

If Nabu is going to keep Zatara, then we need to see a pretty big goddamn upside, even in just purely utilitarian terms to justify stowing away a known magic user like Giovanni Zatara the League members knew and worked with presumably well, for Nabu. Not even Hawkwoman is storming off and Paul used hypothetical Thanagarian aggression in his report that she wasn't a fan of. We have not seen that yet. What if Nabu flashes away during an actual mission for some reason. Then the League is shit outta luck.
 
Are you inferring dodgy things there? Because if you are then that's clearly your own fault when he was obviously merely stating the unlikelihood of Nabu possessing a teenage human female before. And on an unrelated matter, would anyone like to buy a bridge?


No, nothing like that.

Being a teenager is just really hard. You have to fight constantly not to roll your eyes and check your phone. It takes a lot of getting used to, and can really interfere with beating up bad boys.
Well I'm very glad for this clarification because we all know the mods opinions on sexualising minors.
 
"Secondly -and I'll warn you that in the style of Sir Humphrey Appleby this is very similar to the first option- you continue to recruit anyone with the right skill set, but appoint an executive to approve new members.. and make most other operational decisions. This executive would probably be elected by the membership as a whole. This has the advantage of not causing those nominated for membership to feel excluded, but would most likely result in some of the people who are currently members losing some of their authority."

The Earth 12 option. Sort of. I never got the feeling that the authority of the original seven was in any way up for debate, even when a good proportion of the membership flat out hated Hawkgirl.
Personally think this is the best option myself.

Also Nabu so salty.:p
 
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