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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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I really, really, really want this guy to stick around.
Seriously, this is almost as good an angel as Cass. This is like A+ representation of trying to kludge together a mostly genuinely good Source/Underlying Abrahamic God from the regular comics together with the Vertigo asshole version. I am shook.
 
Zefferen said:
God is messing with Paul. This is hilarious.

From the sounds of it Paul basically needs to honestly apologize for taking the fruit without asking. It sounds like they if they read his mind to verify his reasoning that they would've let him take it, which is cool. Angels and the forces of heaven should be overall good forces.
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Not true to dc at all they do whatever god says which includes the rape of the innocent and the torture and curse of children. They are more lawful neutral beings.
 
Also, I have to agree, it'd be pretty amazing if Zauriel hung around, under the excuse of observing OL to get a better idea of his psychology from his friends, colleagues, etc.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
3.9 "And you believe that your need was greater than God's commandment?"

"God's commandment doesn't apply to me. I'm not descended from Adam and Eve. Or.. any Human from this world. And, actually, yes. If Satanus wasn't reaching out to strike at Earth with all of the forces of Hell then I wouldn't be looking for better anti-Demon weapons. Why haven't Duma and Remiel stopped him?"

3.11 "I do not question the methods of the Most High. And while I understand that the beliefs of the pre-Christian Greeks made no mention of the Garden of Eden, you yourself have travelled it. Surely you now realise-."
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3.11 follows 3.9 - you need to subtract one from each number afterwards to fix it
 
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Well, that didn't go anywhere that you'd expect in a Comic Book Superhero Story. No gratuitous face punching, and one party has explicitly acknowledged (if only within his head) that fighting the other is not the right thing to do in order to avoid that sort of thing. It does say something about Paul's... I don't know if corruption is quite the right word for it, perhaps alienation of thought? Anyway, it says something about him that his immediate response was 'I can't be having with this fellow following me around all the time, I'm going to have to do something extreme like rip out his heart or damn him to Fall in contravention of his duty and stated wishes.'

Man though, given this is a Hellblazer Universe, Zauriel's existence as a Not Arse Angel is a bit of an issue...
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At least Paul stopped himself before actually going through with it.

Also, this is still mostly YJ, isn't it?
 
Zefferen said:
God is messing with Paul. This is hilarious.

From the sounds of it Paul basically needs to honestly apologize for taking the fruit without asking. It sounds like they if they read his mind to verify his reasoning that they would've let him take it, which is cool. Angels and the forces of heaven should be overall good forces.
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You know when they aren't being commanded to kill or rape the innocent.

Because we can't ever have nice things because Hellblazer.
 
Indophenol said:
Paul is already chaotic good, IMO... strongly chaotic, but still.
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Considering his attitude in the last few arcs? He's more Chaotic Neutral. Even if he's doing good deeds, he's doing them for his own self interest/the interests of the people he likes. He's not an asshole or a monster like the more traditional depictions of CN are, but each position on the alignment chart has a broad spectrum in and of themselves. Paul just lands (slightly) closer to good than most.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Thank you, corrected.

You think they'd dare put anything like this in canon YJ?
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They would never absolutely ever put anything like this in pretty much any movie or tv show fro dc comics as they do not like touching that shit. Maybe maybe you could see a glimpse of the silver city but never anything anymore because then religious people might throw a hissy fit.
 
firefrog600 said:
Not true to dc at all they do whatever god says which includes the rape of the innocent and the torture and curse of children. They are more lawful neutral beings.
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When I say "should" I mean "religions in media should generally be depicted in the general spirit." Angels basically being evil beings like a lot of Hellblazer seems pretty out of character for DC comics, much like Lucifer Morningstar's whole thing as well.

Basically I'm picking fights with the source material.
 
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So who's got money on Eris showing up to try and put the moves on Angel boy here?
I rather imagine one of the Silver City's lackeys trying to muscle in on her main worshiper would get her attention.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Curious. That the Angel would refer to him as jesus christ when that certainly was not his name. Granted I assume that is just Zoat using the most well known name.

*headcanon* Must have been the ring translation.

Also, not going to leave his side until he repents? Hey Paul, anti-demon weapon.
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True, in prior DC appearances he was called Jesus of Nazareth.


Mr Zoat said:
You think they'd dare put anything like this in canon YJ?
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Given YJ is done by the same guy who made Gargoyles, yes.
 
I love this, and now I can't stop thinking of fun things Paul and his new buddy could do together.

What if Zantanna invited him to church? What if they eat at Waffle House or something and there's just an angel chilling there?

I love everything about this.
 
Zefferen said:
When I say "should" I mean "religions in media should generally be depicted in the general spirit." Angels basically being evil beings like a lot of Hellblazer seems pretty out of character for DC comics, much like Lucifer Morningstar's whole thing as well.

Basically I'm picking fights with the source material.
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Again I am not saying they are evil at all closer to emotionless automatons in that they do whatever god says with the potential to rebel. Some angels that rebelled are actually really good people then there are the really really pure evil ones and then the sorta good ones but still mostly concerned for stuff like freedom lucifer.

though I guess some of the angels on Gods side are stricly speaking evil and enjoy doing purely evil things.
 
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Zefferen said:
When I say "should" I mean "religions in media should generally be depicted in the general spirit." Angels basically being evil beings like a lot of Hellblazer seems pretty out of character for DC comics, much like Lucifer Morningstar's whole thing as well.

Basically I'm picking fights with the source material.
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I'm getting some deja vu from a recent argument... one that got the thread locked and almost ended with Zoat moving to QQ. I'm sticking to my stance from then, that there's nothing wrong with a story depicting religion in a negative way, especially when there were some pretty heinous things within that religion to begin with (Sodom and Gomorrah, etc). That said, if we discuss this at all, we need to be quite careful, lest the discussion spiral out into another thread-breaking war.
 
Chaoswind said:
That only applies to the descendants of Adam and Eve, so Paul could have easily argued he isn't in the list.

The problem is that the fruit isn't for Paul, Blaze ate the fruit and SHE IS in the prohibition list.
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To be fair it only matters for Adam and Eve. The damage, or improvements in case of losing immortality or gaining the ability to comprehend good and evil was already done for them and their descendants.
Afterward it was only the tree of life that was forbidden to Adam and Eve and their descendants least they become immortal again and not have a chance to repent.
 
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