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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Marcus.D.Basterd said:
Fair enough. I still think that it's the sort of thing that he could solve with enough nukes, or equivalant, but fair enough.
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Even if Paul mashed together all the Glow entities, they would get blown away by Archangel. Unless Michael is dead, i am not sure on the timeline of that one. The top level religion entities in DC are completely somewhere else powerwise. That said, as far as i am aware, they can be defeated by caveats and loopholes. Maybe.
 
pucflek said:
Even if Paul mashed together all the Glow entities, they would get blown away by Archangel. Unless Michael is dead, i am not sure on the timeline of that one. The top level religion entities in DC are completely somewhere else powerwise. That said, as far as i am aware, they can be defeated by caveats and loopholes. Maybe.
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IIRC the White Entity itself is similarly Not To Be Fucked With, but that was at the very fringes of my knowledge.
 
Monshroud said:
Considering that the submissionary is probably part of a task-force sent from witch-world to deal with a former lord of Chaos, it stands to reason that their most skilled practitioners of maleficium and the Craft-martial would be tasked with the punishment and disposal of Klarion Bleak, and thus also be supplied with the best "toys" to aid them in their duty.
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The Grundymen may not even be actively magical, just made with magic. There's plenty of ways to make unkillable zombies with mad science after all, just ask Umbrella corp.
 
Yeah, no. This whole 'holy warrior' shit this guy has going on doesn't work well in the modern day. You can't just go around siccing zombies on and/or shooting people.

Hoping we get a smashcut to Paul handing this nutjob over to the cops.
 
random_npc said:
ok so, we saw them use 2 rather effective tricks poorly. 1, high-end magic disruption resistant zombies, 2, a magical weapon that pinned Paul in place and breached his defenses. That gun is fucking juicy, and I suspect paul is going to be focused on taking this guys group for all of its magical secrets because that is some high-end shit this knucklehead is throwing around, and I doubt he made it himself. Gear that good that can be used by what appears to be a near layman is super interesting.


oh one more thing,



this sounds an awful lot like it overcame a scry ward that can and has defeated midlevel Gods. Once again, that fucking gun is amazing.
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It's pretty clearly something that specifically works by attacking the chaos magic Klarion uses - he probably expected OL to be one of those Looney Tunes guys he had as minions when they killed him or something because Klarion didn't make a habit of leaving survivors.

So the gun won't be useful against 99.999% of everyhting.

stsword said:
Yes, I do know comics. Which is how I know that in DC there is no distinction between a "divine blessing" and any other magic.

Magic is magic, where the magic comes from isn't relevant.​

Do you know what stops Billy Batson from tapping into the power of the shazam transformation to cast any spell he wants?

Nothing but the wizard's annoyance. When the wizard dies and Billy becomes his successor he goes from flying brick to spellcaster.

Likewise, when stripped of his powers, Black Adam regained his powers from a spell cast by Faust, using Isis's body as his power source.

So magic is magic, and when they transform they are humming with magic.

Hence my comment that Adom's magic being theurgical shouldn't matter.

If the Danner formula gobbles up all available magic then the shazam transformation shouldn't be an exception.
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Didn't Billy get the Wizard's power by binding himself to the Rock of Enternity like the Wizard did? Hence CMJ had to become Captain marvel fulltime, because Billy the Wizard couldn't leave?
 
Monshroud said:
Really?

Not Anglican-esque?

Considering how many were hunted, tortured and killed for being witches throughout the centuries, I would have thought the Witch-world version of the Holy Trinity would be "Maiden-Mother-Crone".
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eh, English acquitted 75% of those tried for witchcraft. Anglicans are probably tolerated in the grand scheme of things
 
Lokpik89 said:
I know that Paul tends to just use construct armor and power armor, but is it feasable to essentially turn an entire breastplate into a very interconnected spell eater, essentially making the spelleaters so small that and interconnected it becomes like chainmail.
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It's a little more complicated than that, but basically yes.
King of Frost said:
Huh. So were the zombies going for lethal against Jade and Alan?
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They were trying
And would OL have survived the shot without all of his defenses and his ring?
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No.
I'm going to be honest, out of everything I was expecting Amish Chaos-Lord Hunter was not one of them.
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He's still not Amish.
 
Honestly? What I find most surprising is that Paul made no attempt to cover Jade in construct armor. That used to be the very first thing he'd do.

CJ304 said:
Alan gets to use anvil and hammer constructs but gets no rebuke from Paul over it. OTOH, he doesn't have much practice with an AI. Plus, he's old fashioned. He gets a pass.
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Paul is a bit...biased. Just because he thinks that guns are the end all be all, doesn't mean they are. Also, just because it might be the best for him, doesn't mean it's the best for everyone.

Also? Hal's much mocked boxing glove? Yeah, he can punch that right through a battleship...so what's the difference?
 
The Golden Man said:
Well, as with everything in comics, it is COMPLICATED.
On the one hand, she isn't scared of Lucifer threatening her, but on the other hand he can pretty much tell her to go away any time he wants.
She is, to put it simply, bound by rules that cause her to be weaker than what she could be.
MAYBE, if she actually wishes someone dead hard enough that she force the issue, she could kill Lucifer... but considering the kinds of BS that DC!Lucifer can get up to, I doubt it.
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She's Death! The end of everything! ARGH!!

The stupidity...it burns me.

God, Angel, Demon, she should just be able to look at them and go "Bye now." and bam, dead. Why? BECAUSE SHE'S DEATH.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
She's Death! The end of everything! ARGH!!

The stupidity...it burns me.

God, Angel, Demon, she should just be able to look at them and go "Bye now." and bam, dead. Why? BECAUSE SHE'S DEATH.
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She is not the cause of their death, she is just the humanoid personification of it. She doesn't kill people, she just moves them from the living world to whatever afterlife/oblivion is appropriate. So while she will eventually take God, Angel, Demon, exc... SHE is not the one killing them. Just the escort.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Episcopalians are Anglican.
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Eh, the Episcopalian Church is part of the Anglican Communion, but the two terms have very different connotations in the U.S.

Episcopalian would typically be used to describe the church that broke off from the Church of England in 1789, and their spiritual descendants. If a U.S. church calls themselves "Anglican", that typically means they're a splinter group from the Episcopalian Church, and it usually implies a longing for the 'good old days' (if not literally for being under the Archbishop of Canterbury, at least back before they think the Episcopalian Church got too socially liberal).

But, to be fair, my recollection is that Limbo Town predates the American Revolution, so any clergy might well be Church of England.
 
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Lone Courier 6 said:
Arguably, she can't...Because it's not their time yet, but all things come to her in time.
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shade70 said:
She is not the cause of their death, she is just the humanoid personification of it. She doesn't kill people, she just moves them from the living world to whatever afterlife/oblivion is appropriate. So while she will eventually take God, Angel, Demon, exc... SHE is not the one killing them. Just the escort.
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I can't find a video of just Theoden and the army of Rohan screaming "DEATH!"

But that is my reply.
 
shepsquared said:
Didn't Billy get the Wizard's power by binding himself to the Rock of Enternity like the Wizard did? Hence CMJ had to become Captain marvel fulltime, because Billy the Wizard couldn't leave?
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Billy could and did leave the Rock of Eternity, he was bound to it in the sense that leaving the rock of eternity unguarded is a very very very stupid thing to do. So playing guard dog was a full time job.

At least when CM3 was off making details with the lords of magic to gain the power of shazam.

We might be talking about different incidents, since DC has made Billy the next wizard more than once I believe.

Aabcehmu said:
IIRC the White Entity itself is similarly Not To Be Fucked With, but that was at the very fringes of my knowledge.
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Since Zoat seems to be connecting the white light with the Source, that would make the life entity god, or as close as it gets because god is a fictional version of the source here.
 
Mr Zoat said:
He is? I missed that.
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Where earth is the fifth world, and the source was split when the third worlds gods split it, creating a life and anti life entity and equation (who could reasonably the two halves of the now broken source). Since apocalypse has the anti life and they and new genesis were the fourth world that was split when the source was split, associating the life entity and the positive half of the source seems reasonable when earth is the fifth world and the life entity
 
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parnary said:
Where earth is the fifth world, and the source was split when the third worlds gods split it, creating a life and anti life entity and equation (who could reasonably the two halves of the now broken source). Since apocalypse has the anti life and they and new genesis were the fourth world that was split when the source was split, associating the life entity and the positive half of the source seems reasonable when earth is the fifth world and the life entity
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Part of that hasn't been confirmed in this story.
 
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