With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

Mr Zoat · Jan 17, 2018

Ah... I think I may have made a slight misstep somewhere.

I wasn't aware of the comic Doctor Balewa's desire to sire a race of sorcerously powerful children. I personally don't regard that as immoral in itself; what parent doesn't want the best for their children? As for incest, Franklin Roosevelt married his fifth cousin once removed. While Doctor Balewa is related to a lot of people, that relationship is sufficiently distant that it doesn't have any real genetic significance.

The particular circumstances which led to Doctor Balewa 16 becoming if not outright immortal then indefinitely prolonged is something I want to cover later in the story. It isn't something he can just do to someone, and while it could be repeated that wouldn't be a particularly good idea. He has extended people's lives before, but his particular personal philosophy includes a belief that life and death are part of a cycle of existence that shouldn't be interrupted. If he stopped being immortal tomorrow, he wouldn't make any effort to regain it.

TheLastOne · Jan 17, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
Ah... I think I may have made a slight misstep somewhere.

I wasn't aware of the comic Doctor Balewa's desire to sire a race of sorcerously powerful children. I personally don't regard that as immoral in itself; what parent doesn't want the best for their children? As for incest, Franklin Roosevelt married his fifth cousin once removed. While Doctor Balewa is related to a lot of people, that relationship is sufficiently distant that it doesn't have any real genetic significance.

As other people pointed out; at this point it should be harder to find people he isn't related to, then is. He doesn't seem to be particularly aggressive about his 'breeding program', so it doesn't bother me.

Gantradies · Jan 17, 2018

Ya know, I WAS gonna complain about OL STILL being too dense to blow the cover of the omnicidally narcasistic ghost that is personally responsible for John's jinx, till I belatedly realised Golden boy's probably despirately mojoing Paul...

I mean, there are a LOT of people in varying positions of power/ability who wouldn't be amused that they lost family/ had their lives ruined- and spent years/decades Lothing/seeking revenge against the wrong man- Giovanni is the first that comes to mind...

Ave Anathema · Jan 17, 2018

TheLastOne said:
As other people pointed out; at this point it should be harder to find people he isn't related to, then is. He doesn't seem to be particularly aggressive about his 'breeding program', so it doesn't bother me.

so long as it has mutual respect and everyone gets told at the outset then i see no problem, if the woman is old and mature enough to understand full consequences then I see no problem.

Senevri · Jan 17, 2018

Thelunarwolf said:
Archmastery? John is mainlining the power of the planes of Chaos and Order.

Lords of either are classed in dc canon as divine beings, John Constantine is a shiny Purplish Golden God of Balance.

Well. It's a good thing he didn't absorb AN energy field larger than his head. Seeing as how he absorbed TWO.

Rjrulew said:
if the woman is old and mature enough to understand full consequences then I see no problem.

Well, technically, I doubt anyone is capable of understanding the full consequences of anything. However, it is possible to, at least, understand the fact that there will be consequences, very likely some one didn't foresee.

Gantradies · Jan 17, 2018

Senevri said:
Well. It's a good thing he didn't absorb AN energy field larger than his head. Seeing as how he absorbed TWO.

.... maybe they balance each other out?

Mr Zoat · Jan 17, 2018

ThrawnCA said:
Also @Mr Zoat I think you missed one of the pages, 19 or 20.

You're going to make me look for it, aren't you?

for you to hit
same reason; even though
keep your lists
two storey
out of subspace
hold my peace
Orange Lantern, right?
Where'd you get that?!

Thank you, corrected.

Is he talking about Kid Flash? What connection did he have to Vertigo?

Heart transplant thing. That still happened during the Renegade timeline.

What I mean is:
I have, however,
Great Smoky Mountains
this will be the
like it did just now:
I had assumed
but not sapient;

Thank you, corrected.

Deliberate insult, or should this be "Pursuer"?

Deliberate.

First things first
One other matter:
the descent

Thank you, corrected.

He doesn't actually do this, though?

No.

She shakes her head
jumpsuit
It did. He made it
if you don't
invulnerable to
an x-ionised

Thank you, corrected.

beneath its feet
a chunk of its chest
its epidermal shield

I think that's acceptable anthropomorphism.

stand there all day?!
x-ionised swords
Are you injured?
first: Grayven
as Captain Fang folds

Thank you, corrected.

Gantradies said:
Ya know, I WAS gonna complain about OL STILL being too dense to blow the cover of the omnicidally narcissistic ghost that is personally responsible for John's jinx, till I belatedly realised Golden boy's probably desperately mojoing Paul...

The SI never read anything concerning the Golden Boy.

Ave Anathema · Jan 17, 2018

Rjrulew said:
so long as it has mutual respect and everyone gets told at the outset then i see no problem, if the woman is old and mature enough to understand full consequences then I see no problem.

building on my last post there are beings far older that still act like 12 year olds see the greek gods

Coda · Jan 17, 2018

Senevri said:
Well. It's a good thing he didn't absorb AN energy field larger than his head. Seeing as how he absorbed TWO.

I mean, he knew it was a bad idea going into it, but what do you expect from a Constantine plot?

Mr Zoat · Jan 17, 2018

Found it!

ThrawnCA said:
But Cornwall Boy immediately recognised Guy Gardner.

He's a superhero fan.

Does Grayven have a really low opinion of Nebraska for some reason, or did he mean alliteration?

Maybe.

clothing that doesn't use... and conveniently covers
something the police were capable of finding
Apokolips
Corpsman
Extra space
a backup
Genomorphs
Eric: how
in what seems to be
an ice
Bizarro
so: what now
Why haven't you fixed them all?!
Tell me:
both hands
steepled his fingers
some of Mister Constantine's activities,

Thank you, corrected.

Physician," he said,

And that's why I don't write like that.

Neither adjective is
more professional than
the Genomorphs' machinery
talked at length
He
Bachelor's Degree
in the meantime
This fragment doesn't get finished.
LexCorp's
followed the shoals... and waved
"that you not mention" or "you not to mention"
nonetheless
people you fight beside

Thank you, corrected.

You know, the only one who's really gone for this is Truggs.

It's like bottled water, really.

superhero
all about it
Missing a full stop.
an idea that he'd find worth
each other's thoughts
There appear to be two

Thank you, corrected.

Not sure whether this should have the 's' or not. The previous Paragon chapter omitted it.

I'm going to say 'yes'.

backup plan

Thank you, corrected.

Um...He said this at a table full of people eating, and wasn't interrupted by someone choking/spit-take?

The table was relatively noisy, and they don't have the dirty mind that you clearly do.

little point in keeping

Thank you, corrected.

This probably should be invocation

Meaning 2.

They did not.

Thank you, corrected.

This is after she ate cake at Wallace's birthday; he knows she can.

She didn't indicate that it was the taste she was responding to. Also, something might have gone wrong since.

Why haven't I heard of you?
Garfield: do bits

Thank you, corrected.

Jirachi47 · Jan 17, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
Ah... I think I may have made a slight misstep somewhere.

I wasn't aware of the comic Doctor Balewa's desire to sire a race of sorcerously powerful children. I personally don't regard that as immoral in itself; what parent doesn't want the best for their children? As for incest, Franklin Roosevelt married his fifth cousin once removed. While Doctor Balewa is related to a lot of people, that relationship is sufficiently distant that it doesn't have any real genetic significance.

The particular circumstances which led to Doctor Balewa 16 becoming if not outright immortal then indefinitely prolonged is something I want to cover later in the story. It isn't something he can just do to someone, and while it could be repeated that wouldn't be a particularly good idea. He has extended people's lives before, but his particular personal philosophy includes a belief that life and death are part of a cycle of existence that shouldn't be interrupted. If he stopped being immortal tomorrow, he wouldn't make any effort to regain it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't immortality (or 'indefinite prolonging of lifespan') something fairly achievable and unmysterious? I think I remember Paul saying something about trying to be immortal as a reasonably possible thing, not to mention things like the Lazarus pits, the strange temporal phenemenon that made the Justice Society not age, a wide variety of magical options including becoming a lord of whatever, becoming a god etc. etc. Immortality is something that is probably at the very least within the reach of magical superheroes at very low cost. I am interested in whatever you write, but a focus on a method of immortality seems strange and somewhat unlike you.

stsword · Jan 17, 2018

It will be interesting to see what this version of Dr Mist is like.

Originally a being of god like power, he was then retconned into just an immortal with some skill with illusion magic. So not an archmage, but can play one on TV. Since Paul is looking for someone who knows about magic not someone who has magic, he'd still work.

Post zero hour, his immortality is part of his badge of office. He was given immortality by Mother Ocean to basically form the Watchers from Buffy or the Men of Letters from Supernatural, the Ley Men, a fraternity of occultists and scholars stopping the things that go bump in the night from destroying the world.

Which was fine until Mother Ocean replaced him with Jack o' Lantern as the new head of the Ley Men.

So that version is basically Giles as played by Morgan Freeman. But who wouldn't want heaps of exposition from that voice?

TheLastOne · Jan 17, 2018

Jirachi47 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't immortality (or 'indefinite prolonging of lifespan') something fairly achievable and unmysterious? I think I remember Paul saying something about trying to be immortal as a reasonably possible thing, not to mention things like the Lazarus pits, the strange temporal phenemenon that made the Justice Society not age, a wide variety of magical options including becoming a lord of whatever, becoming a god etc. etc. Immortality is something that is probably at the very least within the reach of magical superheroes at very low cost. I am interested in whatever you write, but a focus on a method of immortality seems strange and somewhat unlike you.

People were asking why he hadn't made one of his previous wives immortal, rather then "preying" on younger women. So his view on immortality matters; he doesn't think you should seek it.

Coda · Jan 17, 2018

Jirachi47 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't immortality (or 'indefinite prolonging of lifespan') something fairly achievable and unmysterious? I think I remember Paul saying something about trying to be immortal as a reasonably possible thing, not to mention things like the Lazarus pits, the strange temporal phenemenon that made the Justice Society not age, a wide variety of magical options including becoming a lord of whatever, becoming a god etc. etc. Immortality is something that is probably at the very least within the reach of magical superheroes at very low cost. I am interested in whatever you write, but a focus on a method of immortality seems strange and somewhat unlike you.

He, as an author, ISN'T focusing on that. The discussion is surrounding a specific character's knowledge and behavior. And Mr Zoat is quite conscientious about not letting his own opinions influence how characters act. (Even for the self-insert characters!)

Mr Zoat · Jan 17, 2018

Jirachi47 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't immortality (or 'indefinite prolonging of lifespan') something fairly achievable and unmysterious? I think I remember Paul saying something about trying to be immortal as a reasonably possible thing, not to mention things like the Lazarus pits, the strange temporal phenemenon that made the Justice Society not age, a wide variety of magical options including becoming a lord of whatever, becoming a god etc. etc. Immortality is something that is probably at the very least within the reach of magical superheroes at very low cost. I am interested in whatever you write, but a focus on a method of immortality seems strange and somewhat unlike you.

It's unmysterious to a well-informed comic book reader. In universe? Not so much. We see the exceptions so much that we tend to forget that they aren't the rule. Doctor Balewa was exceptionally talented, but Earth was only sparsely inhabited during his time and news didn't tend to travel all that much.

Also, while the Justice Society being unageing was the result of a series of retcons (both in and out of universe), in this setting they aged pretty normally. Except the ones who had life extension built in.

Jirachi47 · Jan 17, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
It's unmysterious to a well-informed comic book reader. In universe? Not so much. We see the exceptions so much that we tend to forget that they aren't the rule. Doctor Balewa was exceptionally talented, but Earth was only sparsely inhabited during his time and news didn't tend to travel all that much.

Also, while the Justice Society being unageing was the result of a series of retcons (both in and out of universe), in this setting they aged pretty normally. Except the ones who had life extension built in.

Since I don't think that you have actually written any interludes or such, the way you described it being a plot point seemed odd, becuase from Paul's perspective (a well informed comic book reader, who just happens to be the perspective character), would probably consider it a solved to resolvable problem.

Tbryan · Jan 17, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
The SI never read anything concerning the Golden Boy.

What about this?

Mr Zoat said:
"It would take my mind off the fact that the Human race is in the hands of John Constantine, a man who committed his first murder before he was born."

Mr Zoat · Jan 17, 2018

Tbryan said:
What about this?

Yes, he knew that John's brother died in the womb. He also remembers an elderly British man mentioning John's brother when an African cannibal shaman confronted him. He doesn't know about any Schroedinger-magician-alive-and-dead Golden Boy.

Monshroud · Jan 17, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
I wasn't aware of the comic Doctor Balewa's desire to sire a race of sorcerously powerful children. I personally don't regard that as immoral in itself; what parent doesn't want the best for their children?

That's true. And surrounded by so many heroic individuals, Dr. Mist will hopefully be more likely to pursue better options to improve his descendants.

Has Cadmus gotten into Homo Magi/Para-psychic research yet? Cause like I said:

Monshroud said:
If innate, supernatural ability and extra-sensory perception can be as much a result of biology as well as spiritual/mental development, it stands to reason that the means of spell-working or alchemically transmuting a human being into a perfect conduit of the mystic, should be just as possible as turning someone into a superhuman by intentionally altering their aforementioned biology with SCIENCE!

....Or throwing them into a vat of unnatural chemicals and waiting to see what happens afterwards.

Simon Buchan · Jan 17, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
The SI will not be building Star Fleet vessels, due to the different physical laws.

After all, if you can build a Death Star...

Monshroud · Jan 17, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
Yes, he knew that John's brother died in the womb. He also remembers an elderly British man mentioning John's brother when an African cannibal shaman confronted him. He doesn't know about any Schroedinger-magician-alive-and-dead Golden Boy.

Boy, that's REALLY going to bite everyone in the ass eventually.

Chaoswind · Jan 17, 2018

Crimson Doom said:
Which means that it's time to once again break out that long-tired phrase: "Not Necessarily on Earth-16". C'mon, Chaoswind, you know Paul does his research. If the guy was doing anything that even reeked of taking advantage of women, do you think Paul would have approached him with a job offer in the first place?

You are right, i shouldn't have forgotten such an important key point, even more so when I was on the other side of the debate the last time someone went apeshit about a character on how they were on DC canon (It happened with Nabu, when some people accused Zoat of engaging in character assassination).

SpokenSoftly said:
Then why link Arak's page instead of the page for the stones? Especially since I can't find a reference to them anywhere on Nommo's pages, except for a brief mention that he could craft "gems" according to one of his origins. The name of the stones would be sufficient, even, to google them up if you can't link while you're at work.

I thought it would be easier to find, it was among the first hits in my google search.

Anyone else annoyed that DC seems to have five wiki sites or more and that all of them is incomplete in some way?

Anyways the sto-

Mr Zoat said:
Ah... I think I may have made a slight misstep somewhere.

I wasn't aware of the comic Doctor Balewa's desire to sire a race of sorcerously powerful children. I personally don't regard that as immoral in itself; what parent doesn't want the best for their children? As for incest, Franklin Roosevelt married his fifth cousin once removed. While Doctor Balewa is related to a lot of people, that relationship is sufficiently distant that it doesn't have any real genetic significance.

The particular circumstances which led to Doctor Balewa 16 becoming if not outright immortal then indefinitely prolonged is something I want to cover later in the story. It isn't something he can just do to someone, and while it could be repeated that wouldn't be a particularly good idea. He has extended people's lives before, but his particular personal philosophy includes a belief that life and death are part of a cycle of existence that shouldn't be interrupted. If he stopped being immortal tomorrow, he wouldn't make any effort to regain it.

That is going to be interesting as one of them was by using the life source of hundreds of thousands of drowned Atlanteans as fuel for a spell.

This guy has way too many origins and some are borderline supervillanous.

However the wise words have been spoken, I will wait on YOUR interpretation of the character before judging him. Certainly i think Raul and Baul should be judged as characters on their own actions, not on the actions of less murderous alternative selves.

SpokenSoftly · Jan 17, 2018

Chaoswind said:
I thought it would be easier to find, it was among the first hits in my google search.

Anyone else annoyed that DC seems to have five wiki sites or more and that all of them is incomplete in some way?

Anyways the sto-

I did some more digging, and while I found a reference to "Stones of Life" in his Superfriends wiki article, a reference that pops up on some other pages dealing with Homo magi, I can't find a list of persons empowered by these stones. Or, indeed, even consistent references. "Flames of Life" is another reference that comes up. If you have a link, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Also yes, it is fairly annoying.

ThrawnCA · Jan 17, 2018

Mr Zoat said:
He's a superhero fan.

Yep. I was just highlighting the fact that Guy's name is public if you look.

Maybe.

I'm surprised that an Englishman cum Apokoliptian would have opinions about particular US states he's barely visited.

And that's why I don't write like that.

Benn meaning to ask, how do you feel about typos in other people's omakes? Should I just skip them?

It's like bottled water, really.

Even if you don't mass distribute rings due to supply and derangement problems, it occurs to me that both timelines could make a rather impressive hero from a baseline Human. Perhaps Renegade more so, because Apokolips tech. Paul got Enlightenment instead, much less sharable.

How does Apokoliptian armor compare to Nth Metal, btw? Or is that in the SpaceBattles threads somewhere? If so, I'll get to it eventually.

I'm going to say 'yes'.

OK, then.

Mr Zoat said:
J'onzz'

J'onzz's

The table was relatively noisy, and they don't have the dirty mind that you clearly do.

Alan does; just search the chapter above for "leak". Artemis would likely react too.

Though I'll grant that Diana, Kon, J'onn, and M'gann would easily miss it, and Zatanna would be restrained in her response.

She didn't indicate that it was the taste she was responding to. Also, something might have gone wrong since.

From page 16:

"I gain no useful nutrition from ingestion but I am able to taste."

She then goes on to discuss her new sense of taste, comparing with Human senses and mentioning her experiments with toast.

If it were a matter of possible damage, Paul would have worded his statement quite differently here. He wouldn't have said "Pretty sure I remember giving you chemical analysis systems. You should be able to taste." Yet he can't have just forgotten the party, either, because he mentions it a few paragraphs later.

Thank you, corrected.

Fragment in With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Story Only) | Page 19 is still unfinished.

Chaoswind · Jan 17, 2018

SpokenSoftly said:
I did some more digging, and while I found a reference to "Stones of Life" in his Superfriends wiki article, a reference that pops up on some other pages dealing with Homo magi, I can't find a list of persons empowered by these stones. Or, indeed, even consistent references. "Flames of Life" is another reference that comes up. If you have a link, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Also yes, it is fairly annoying.

Found it again.

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"A Symphony of Shadows"

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