At a certain point, you no longer have any development, no matter how many years you put on.
I'd say a your development stalls are about 40yo
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At a certain point, you no longer have any development, no matter how many years you put on.
I'd say a your development stalls are about 40yo
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The argument being made is that someone with great power can coerce someone into a relationship that they would not have agreed to had they been able to consider the situation objectively and make choices freely. For example, if you're afraid that bad things will happen if you don't agree to the relationship, then that's coercion. If the relationship is forced until you decide you're okay with it, that's Stockholm syndrome. If the person tricks you by showing you what you want to see and making sure you don't find out about things you wouldn't like until you've already agreed, that's false pretenses.
In other words, the rest of your argument is moot because a power imbalance could mean that the relationship was illicit from the beginning -- it's not a case of a relationship fighting for legitimacy in a world prejudiced against it; it's a case of a strong person taking advantage of the weak-willed.
That's not to say a powerful person CAN'T enter into a legitimate relationship with a weak person. But it's a situation that warrants extra scrutiny.
Chaoswind
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And there was nothing wrong with Twilight, Bella was over sixteen (i think) meaning she was able to give consent in the vast majority of countries around the world.
Eighteen isn't a magical cut out point in adult development and treating it as such is stupid.
This guy is a great Magician with thousands of years of magical knowledge, in that time frame he could have empowered a woman to be his near equal as he has done with many others by creating magical artifacts that make them powerful and at times extend their life times, he has chosen to NOT do so and instead prefers to prey on women significantly younger than him that is what makes him a pedo. He doesn't want a relationship with his equals, he wants to be the father of the perfect magic baby. He is an asshole.
Its the equivalent of an old guy stalking a university sorority trying to woo young adults just barely over the local age of consent, just because he managed to make them agree to have sex with him (look at how much i know about magic, don't you want to learn from me?) doesn't mean he isn't a creep.
Once again and with feeling. He doesn't want a relationship, much less a relationship with an equal, he wants the perfect magic baby, boning his young descendents is just a bonus.
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In the example given (Nommo Balewa x Adult Zatanna Zatara) he was pursuing her specifically because she was powerful in her own right.
The SI will not be building Star Fleet vessels, due to the different physical laws.
Chaoswind
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What stopped him from empowering any of his other powerful past relationships to the point they could have a similar life span to his (because he has had MANY of those considering he is the source of the entire homo magi mutation as remember there are cities with hundreds of thousands of them bottled up in different demi planes), the answer is nothing, he chooses to not empower an equal woman because that would 'delay' the creation of the perfect homo magi.
If you are capable of giving your previous partners pseudo immortality or at least extremely long lives and you choose to not do so because you prefer to prey on women much younger than you with the assurance that they will eventually die after pumping you a few descendants then you are 100% an asshole, a creep and humanity would be better off if someone threw you in the sun (or jupiter if the sun is too pedestrian).
He probably won't really have to, now that the world entire for the most part is taking sorcery, para-psychology and metahuman research seriously.
If innate, supernatural ability and extra-sensory perception can be as much a result of biology as well as spiritual/mental development, it stands to reason that the means of spell-working or alchemically transmuting a human being into a perfect conduit of the mystic, should be just as possible as turning someone into a superhuman by intentionally altering their aforementioned biology with SCIENCE!
....Or throwing them into a vat of unnatural chemicals and waiting to see what happens afterwards.
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So, "prey" is this term you keep using. It's quite annoying. Can you point to any of Nommo's partners that were incapable of providing informed consent to the question "I would like to have sex with you with the specific target of having children?" Because pointing to someone who is underage and incapable of understanding what they're consenting to (and underage is not and does not imply significant age disparity, that's completely irrelevant when talking about consent), that would make him a paedo (as you originally called him). Pointing to someone who is mentally deficient such that they're incapable of providing informed consent despite their age (and simply pointing to their age gap and saying "that makes them too stupid to consent" is flatly wrong) would make him a sexual predator.
However. Until you can point to such partner or partners, it isn't justified to call what he does "preying." It'd be nice if you could stop using that word to refer to what he does, which is more properly termed "fucking."
Care to prove that he could do so without significant personal sacrifice? And no "he's an arch-wizard, of course he can make people immortal and powerful wizards" is not an argument.
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It should also be noted that he's not after a relationship; he's after a bloodline. And a bloodline requires mating the fittest specimens together at each generation -- a single long-term pairing is counterproductive to this goal because it means evolutionary progress has halted.
PAUL: Well, uplifting the majority, if not the entirety of mortalkind to the evolutionary stage of "immortal demigod-hood" is taking time. Best to have patience!
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This is blatantly ageist bullshit.
I am in my early forties. I regularly spend time with people twenty, and more, years my senior.
If someone stops 'developing' it's because there's something wrong. Normal people continue to change, explore, and develop their personality all their lives.
I know that a lot of young people are bitter about the 'olds' and plenty of them have legitimate cause for their grievances. But don't delude yourselves into thinking that you have the monopoly on personal growth.
Chaoswind
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Arak (comics) - Wikipedia
Longevity is listed as part of his powerset, ergo Nommo the guy that benefited from killing Atlanteans wholesale can indeed give longevity to people when he is arsed to, he just chooses to not do so if said people are women or that is what becomes apparent after sinking a few hours in the DC wikis.
I don't follow the logic. Why this guy having longevity (from being a demigod?) means that Nommo can casually, without very serious permanent cost for himself, make others unaging? Even his own immortality, from the wiki description at least, is not of his own doing, but rather a result of "standing in the pillar of life", whatever that is.
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I just don't understand what is the problem in that, relationships don't need to be about equality nor about love, sure, both are good things when possible, but are not necessary at all, relationships are about agreement, two or more people meet each other and agree to stay together on a few conditions, whatever those conditions may be, thats one of the reasons an age where someone is mature enough to make choices is usually agreed upon in many societies. .
They just want to fuck? Good on them.
They want to be loved? Hope they find it.
One of them really wants children? If they all agree, no harm done.
"I bear your children if you feed my family." Is a deal that is pretty common even today, 11000 years ago it would be par for the course.
One of them does not want to share his unlimited power? His choice, as long as he gives the other people involved what they are actually looking for in the relationship, be it sex or ponies, he is fine, thats what they agreed upon, if they are actually looking for power, then he can just not enter in a relationship at all, or do so and fulfill the agreement while they are together.
Also, he probably does teach them what he can while they are together, it would just be stupid not to do so, his children will need to be protected and to be taught magic somehow, and unless he is willing to do so himself to the many, many decendents he must have, teaching the mother is really just plain better.
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He is only that if the women were not legal adults at the time he had sex with them.
But whatever.
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Lewd. Also, while re-reading the posts in this forum, I found out I had missed several updates. Sooo... time well spent?
Creepy is a matter of opinion, and something being creepy doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.
You're going to have to explain why it's wrong, though.
Now why would anyone non-suicidal do that?
At least you recognize your bias. Being attracted to youthful appearance is, in fact, I believe the norm for humans.
Huge is a fuzzy qualifier. Smart people aren't allowed to have sex with stupid people? Rich cannot have sex with the poor? You're against the relationship between Kryptonians and Humans? So you're FOR class division?
I'm being a bit facetious here, since there clearly are some situations where certain developmental advantages should be considered to invalidate consent, but really... I'd probably just refer to the Harkness test.
Well, in fairness, creating a whole race of demi-gods would also be a decent idea. Also, I'm sure some Zamaronian blood wouldn't hurt any.
Citation needed. I mean, it's a personal failure of his, if at this point he can't do it. Also, if you only have an indefinite lifespan, you're likely to live only between... about 3500 and 8000 years. Still, I'm sure "make babies with me and I'll teach you how to become immortal" would be a strong opening for negotiations.
...An acceptable design compromise? I mean, the SI doesn't have a problem working with, or at least using people who eat souls. Personally, I do find destroying anyone's chance at immortality to be quite abhorrent.
This is very true. I find most people under 25 to be... kind of... overly strongly opinionated and a tad unbalanced. Overly emotional, perhaps. Then again, it's not strictly a function of age, but also training and particular experiences one's had.
As mentioned, he lucked into immortality.
As for his whole plan, as long as there is sufficient genetic drift, I don't really see the problem. Sure, anything incest-like is instinctively squicky, probably due to the fact that they usually come with distorted family dynamics and genetic deformities, but if those two are not an issue... it's probably the time to rise above your instincts.
SpokenSoftly
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Arak is a Conan character completely unrelated to Nommo. What is the point of linking this?
Also, possessing a power does not imply the capacity to give that power to others. Doy.
Chaoswind
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Arak is noted in the wiki as having his powerset derived from a stone Nommo created and he is just one of several examples of stone bearers/finders/users? being long lived. All the examples are male superbeings.
So if there is something about the stones that only men can use them, then is this a feature made by Nommo or a limitation of his own magic, both speak badly of him either in regards to his skills or his personal failings.
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Arak is a DC comics character, not a Conan character at all.
Empiricist2
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Where? I just read that entire page and not only is Dr Mist not mentioned at all, Arak is noted as getting his powers from being the child of a deity, and later gaining some abilities from his father.
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Chaoswind
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The page from the stones list him as an user/bearer, i am on my way to work now, but they list Arak as one of the people empowered by them.
One of the problems with DC is that there are too many origin histories to keep them straight.
Archmastery? John is mainlining the power of the planes of Chaos and Order.
Lords of either are classed in dc canon as divine beings, John Constantine is a shiny Purplish Golden God of Balance.
Frankly, I'm not sure what Chaoswind is harping on about. 'a large age gap' is not the same as 'one of these people is a child', and therefore does not make him a paedophile.
The fact that he's running what seems to be a eugenics program is pretty shady, I agree, but continuing to call him by a label that clearly doesn't actually apply to him is just being obnoxious.
It's fine not to like someone, but at least attempt to be accurate about the reasons why.
If you'd just come out and said 'I don't like this 'magi breeding program' thing he's setting up' then I don't think anyone would have naysayed you on that.
The fact that he's running what seems to be a eugenics program is pretty shady, I agree, but continuing to call him by a label that clearly doesn't actually apply to him is just being obnoxious.
It's fine not to like someone, but at least attempt to be accurate about the reasons why.
If you'd just come out and said 'I don't like this 'magi breeding program' thing he's setting up' then I don't think anyone would have naysayed you on that.
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Which means that it's time to once again break out that long-tired phrase: "Not Necessarily on Earth-16". C'mon, Chaoswind, you know Paul does his research. If the guy was doing anything that even reeked of taking advantage of women, do you think Paul would have approached him with a job offer in the first place?
SpokenSoftly
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Then why link Arak's page instead of the page for the stones? Especially since I can't find a reference to them anywhere on Nommo's pages, except for a brief mention that he could craft "gems" according to one of his origins. The name of the stones would be sufficient, even, to google them up if you can't link while you're at work.
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