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DaftTechno said:
A competent Quirrel? Can I get a source on that?
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Averusblack said:
www.hpmor.com
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Indeed.

To elaborate a bit, it's Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. It's a long, complex, complete, funny, and above all rational take on the world of Harry Potter.

There are several possible summaries, but I'm partial to the introduction to chapter 22:

Something, somewhere, somewhen, must have happened differently...

PETUNIA EVANS married Michael Verres, a Professor of Biochemistry at Oxford.

HARRY JAMES POTTER-EVANS-VERRES grew up in a house filled to the brim with books. He once bit a math teacher who didn't know what a logarithm was. He's read Godel, Escher, Bach and Judgment Under Uncertainty: Heuristics and Biases and volume one of The Feynman Lectures on Physics. And despite what everyone who's met him seems to fear, he doesn't want to become the next Dark Lord. He was raised better than that. He wants to discover the laws of magic and become a god.

HERMIONE GRANGER is doing better than him in every class except broomstick riding.

DRACO MALFOY is exactly what you would expect an eleven-year-old boy to be like if Darth Vader were his doting father.

PROFESSOR QUIRRELL is living his lifelong dream of teaching Defense Against the Dark Arts, or as he prefers to call his class, Battle Magic. His students are all wondering what's going to go wrong with the Defense Professor this time.

DUMBLEDORE is either insane, or playing some vastly deeper game which involved setting fire to a chicken.

DEPUTY HEADMISTRESS MINERVA MCGONAGALL needs to go off somewhere private and scream for a while.

Presenting:

HARRY POTTER AND THE METHODS OF RATIONALITY

You ain't guessin' where this one's going.
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Cheap Orange Knofe said:
Police officers. Kek.
It mirrors reality a bit too much. Stings.
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Invoking Nazi memes?
I've reported your post and I would hopefully suggest you take that garbage elsewhere.

For those of you reading this, he is using the word "Kek".

Kek is a meme made up by Nazis.

Yeah of course don't have to take my word for it and you can Google it.

I'm sure there will be at least one source out there which says it's completely innocuous.

And the rest of them will be linking to alt right and Nazi websites.

For those of you living in a bubble, this is disguised hate speech. Hate speech is bad.

The people who made up "Kek" meme are Nazis and wish to expel and kill or enslave everyone who is not white. They are an existential threat by definition of the word.

Mods, you might want to be on the lookout for this. It's Insidious and they are actually are trying to normalize it through usage.
(And yes, I assume you're much smarter and can Google better than the morons who moderate spacebattles)

And now.. I bid you farewell as we return to magical comic book Adventures in spaaaaaaace.


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Spaaaaaaaaaace..
 
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CrackedCosmonaut said:
Invoking Nazi memes?
I've reported your post and I would hopefully suggest you take that garbage elsewhere.

For those of you reading this, he is using the word "Kek".

Kek is a meme made up by Nazis.

Yeah of course don't have to take my word for it and you can Google it.

I'm sure there will be at least one source out there which says it's completely innocuous.

And the rest of them will be linking to alt right and Nazi websites.

For those of you living in a bubble, this is disguised hate speech. Hate speech is bad.

The people who made up "Kek" meme are Nazis and wish to expel and kill or enslave everyone who is not white. They are an existential threat by definition of the word.

Mods, you might want to be on the lookout for this. It's Insidious and they are actually are trying to normalize it through usage.
(And yes, I assume you're much smarter and can Google better than the morons who moderate spacebattles)

And now.. I bid you farewell as we return to magical comic book Adventures in spaaaaaaace.


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Spaaaaaaaaaace..
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I don't care.
Kek
 
... what the heck.

No, seriously, that's completely preposterous.

"kek" is World of Warcraft slang dating back to 2004, from the inter-faction fictitious language faux-translation translating "lol" spoken by a player from one faction into "kek" heard by a player from a different faction. This makes it one of the oldest surviving memes on the internet and it has bloody nothing to do with neo-Nazis. (You MIGHT have had an argument if you had claimed it originated in racism, but those are fictional races.)

Stop injecting your bloody ridiculous politics into things, especially after a mod ALREADY said to take the racism discussion to N&P.
 
Coda said:
... what the heck.

No, seriously, that's completely preposterous.

"kek" is World of Warcraft slang dating back to 2004, from the inter-faction fictitious language faux-translation translating "lol" spoken by a player from one faction into "kek" heard by a player from a different faction. This makes it one of the oldest surviving memes on the internet and it has bloody nothing to do with neo-Nazis. (You MIGHT have had an argument if you had claimed it originated in racism, but those are fictional races.)

Stop injecting your bloody ridiculous politics into things, especially after a mod ALREADY said to take the racism discussion to N&P.
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And a swastika used to be Sanskrit.

Go print one on your shirt and walk unarmed through Harlem if you don't think it means something different now.

What the Kek: Explaining the Alt-Right 'Deity' Behind Their 'Meme Magic'
 
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On the other hand, go walk through Calcutta in that t-shirt and see what reactions you get there. Symbols are context-sensitive. Imprinting the meaning YOU think the symbol ought to have in an out-of-context setting is just like wearing that shirt in the wrong city, and it puts YOU in the wrong, not the one you're criticizing.

EDIT: Oh, well, looks like this discussion's over. Good riddance.
 
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    I don't care.
    Kek
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    • ThrawnCA said:
    To elaborate a bit, it's Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. It's a long, complex, complete, funny, and above all rational take on the world of Harry Potter.
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    I -despise- that fanfic.

    It exists as a soapbox. The story comes secondary, and basically exists to serve the point that the author is making in an utterly inelegant, unsubtle way.
     
    So....that was a thing.

    Anyway....I'm curious as to how Paul's ring slinging will continue to evolve from here. Given that power rings can pretty much do anything...I'm just hoping that "rail gun" isn't the fullest extent he's ever going to use. I have a weird memory of power rings being used to manipulate elements, something Paul already kind of does with his cold gun constructs, so I'm wondering what else he might be able to do.

    "But why?" I can already hear. Because it makes things more interesting. At this point I feel that OL just carries around a rail gun ring, and....aw crap...he's gonna have the whole corps doing that.

    You can be more OL. You can be more. (Can't find the relevant farscape clip)
     
    Silverias said:
    I -despise- that fanfic.

    It exists as a soapbox. The story comes secondary, and basically exists to serve the point that the author is making in an utterly inelegant, unsubtle way.
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    Eh. I mean, it gets pretentious at times, and I'll agree it's certainly unsubtle, but that doesn't make it bad. I'd rate it better than mediocre, and it has its highlights. I was able to read all the way through it without getting sufficiently turned off by it. I'd call it a reasonably good rational-fic story glued together with some unfortunately pretentious parts.

    Some judicious editing would make it far better.
     
    Coda said:
    Eh. I mean, it gets pretentious at times, and I'll agree it's certainly unsubtle, but that doesn't make it bad. I'd rate it better than mediocre, and it has its highlights. I was able to read all the way through it without getting sufficiently turned off by it. I'd call it a reasonably good rational-fic story glued together with some unfortunately pretentious parts.

    Some judicious editing would make it far better.
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    There's also the fact it's not in any way Harry Potter.

    No one is in character. No one. Not Harry, not Hermoine, not Voldemort, not ANYONE.

    I don't begrudge people who like it but my GOD I hate it.
     
    Silverias said:
    There's also the fact it's not in any way Harry Potter.

    No one is in character. No one. Not Harry, not Hermoine, not Voldemort, not ANYONE.
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    I don't mind if AU fanfics (and it is AU and not SPOD) don't follow the characterizations of the originals as long as they remain consistent within the scope of the story, and HPMoR does accomplish that much.
     
    Silverias said:
    There's also the fact it's not in any way Harry Potter.

    No one is in character. No one. Not Harry, not Hermoine, not Voldemort, not ANYONE.

    I don't begrudge people who like it but my GOD I hate it.
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    HPMOR is a shitty sandbox that features 11 year olds that don't manage to function as convincing humans, let alone children, the assumption that 'science' consists of thinking about something really hard then resolving to keep it a secret, a bunch of bad Ender's Game knockoffs that don't service the plot and lots of other bloat from an author who didn't read the books until after he'd already butchered the setting because he wasn't trying to tell a good story. He was trying to convince people his 'rationality' is worth giving money to.

    Now can we stop talking about a bad HP fic in a thread devoted to a good YJ fic?
     
    Maxx Crowley said:
    So....that was a thing.

    Anyway....I'm curious as to how Paul's ring slinging will continue to evolve from here. Given that power rings can pretty much do anything...I'm just hoping that "rail gun" isn't the fullest extent he's ever going to use. I have a weird memory of power rings being used to manipulate elements, something Paul already kind of does with his cold gun constructs, so I'm wondering what else he might be able to do.

    "But why?" I can already hear. Because it makes things more interesting. At this point I feel that OL just carries around a rail gun ring, and....aw crap...he's gonna have the whole corps doing that.

    You can be more OL. You can be more. (Can't find the relevant farscape clip)
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    Given he's got Kalmin on-board, I don't know if he can avoid picking up some newer, stranger weapons.
     
    Silverias said:
    No one is in character. No one. Not Harry, not Hermoine, not Voldemort, not ANYONE.
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    That's... kinda part of the point. It changes the character of Harry, and uses him to point out how stupid a lot of elements of the world of HP are.

    And Voldemort is changed too, because that's actually the primary change which just affected Harry because of how it changed Voldemort's decisions and motivations.

    You're right about how he butchered Hermione, though. She got a bit better in later parts of the story, but the part where she had a crush on Harry was just cringy as fuck. The other characters weren't exactly in character, but they weren't heinous.

    It is rather hamfisted with its philosophy, though. If you agree with that philosophy (which I partially, though nowhere near totally, do), it's pretty acceptable and can even have cool moments (I liked a lot of the stuff with the dementors and azkaban, which some people seemed to hate), but if you don't I can see how it would be pretty intolerable.
     
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    Silverias said:
    I -despise- that fanfic.
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    Eh, some despise, some adore it. Personally, I'm impressed by how well the writing quality, coherence, and completeness compare to 99+% of fanfiction.net, and I found a lot of it to be funny. And occasionally awesome.

    It exists as a soapbox.
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    I don't mind that in principle.

    The story comes secondary, and basically exists to serve the point that the author is making in an utterly inelegant, unsubtle way.
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    Unsubtle in that it's noticeable, or unsubtle in that it breaks suspension of disbelief?

    To me, the lesson was part and parcel of the story it was telling. Just look at the chapter titles, it's explicitly a tutorial in the form of a story. I don't count that against it if I like the story, any more than I dislike WTR for explicitly declaring itself to be an SI story.
     
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    I really want to see Paul wield a ring of another color and see how much of his experience wielding an orange ring would transfer especially if he said that it would be difficult for him to wield a green ring, though I figure he could use red or yellow far better than blue or violet and it depends if indigo has the mind altering affect. Maybe when he comes across Sinestro or Sector 666 Paul could take Sinestro's yellow ring or meet the five immortal demonic aliens and forge a red ring.
     
    Assuming Paul remembers what it was like to be in heads of other Pauls with other rings, it might help him get into the correct mindset for wielding a non-orange ring. I don't know if orange enlightenment would get in the way of doing that.
     
    LazySloth13 said:
    I really want to see Paul wield a ring of another color and see how much of his experience wielding an orange ring would transfer especially if he said that it would be difficult for him to wield a green ring, though I figure he could use red or yellow far better than blue or violet and it depends if indigo has the mind altering affect.
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    Mr Zoat has said that that indigo basically affects your mind inversely to how compassionate you are before getting the ring. So somebody who has devoted his life to compassion will barely be affected, while a psychopath will essentially not be the same person anymore; with most people somewhere in between.

    Also, note that one of the alternate Pauls he experienced during Fool's Canon was an Indigo Lantern; so he at least has some idea what it's like from the inside.
     
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    Avernus said:
    Mr Zoat has said that that indigo basically affects your mind inversely to how compassionate you are before getting the ring. So somebody who has devoted his life to compassion will barely be affected, while a psychopath will essentially not be the same person anymore; with most people somewhere in between.
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    I'm not sure about that. I know WoZ says that's a function of indigo rings but I don't know if that's an innate feature of the indigo light.
     
    LazySloth13 said:
    I really want to see Paul wield a ring of another color and see how much of his experience wielding an orange ring would transfer especially if he said that it would be difficult for him to wield a green ring, though I figure he could use red or yellow far better than blue or violet and it depends if indigo has the mind altering affect. Maybe when he comes across Sinestro or Sector 666 Paul could take Sinestro's yellow ring or meet the five immortal demonic aliens and forge a red ring.
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    I'm hoping he uses a White ring at some point. If it ever does happen though, it'd probably be near or at the end of the series.
     
    Considering that orange light makes you greedy, the mind-altering effect of indigo rings might be inherent to indigo light exposure.
     
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