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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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zhuull said:
So... do you personally post this nearly exact same message after ever single chapter, or are there several pessimists like you taking turns? Because it's long past the point where it's gotten old.

Due to where in the timeline that Zoat inserted Paul in the sisters' lives there is no reason to give any weight to the characterization of Blackfire from the comics, what little of it there was, towards how this Blackfire will behave or progress in the story.

Nor is there been anything yet in this story to make anyone think that she would go the same way as her comic counter part.
Yes she is having some issues with the orange light, no shit that's kind of the while point of this mission ie to make them aware of those types of issues and hopefully work out ways to address them. And Kori is having just as many issues herself, but no one seems to be saying anything about her.
No it's just constant contentless posts about "oh noes Blackfire!1!1"
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Not true, I still think it anyone is going to turn on them its Starfire and said as much earlier.
 
Angelform said:
Pretty sure that isn't what he meant when he asked for a prisoner.
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prevents him from suiciding at least.

Angelform said:
It is more the fact that she assimilated him by rationalising that it was the worst possible fate she could ever inflict upon anyone.
Sadism is not a positive trait.
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Yes, she HATES the Citadelleans.

I can't imagine why, they only invaded her home, conquered her people (killing millions and smashing their economy), indirectly led to her being ignored and looked down on most of her life (if not for the invasion, her condition would have been cured and she wouldn't have grown up being disregarded, passed over, and treated like a cripple), kidnapped her (and her sister), then tortured and raped her repeatedly. Absolutely no reason for her to be upset with them.:rolleyes:
 
Norgarth said:
Yes, she HATES the Citadelleans.

I can't imagine why, they only invaded her home, conquered her people (killing millions and smashing their economy), indirectly led to her being ignored and looked down on most of her life (if not for the invasion, her condition would have been cured and she wouldn't have grown up being disregarded, passed over, and treated like a cripple), kidnapped her (and her sister), then tortured and raped her repeatedly. Absolutely no reason for her to be upset with them.:rolleyes:
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I don't actually think that she can hate them the way she is right now. I can see her wanting them to suffer, but actual hate? I don't think it work that way.

More relevent to your point: I think that some of your reasons why she would hate them are sort of mutually exclusive without some interesting mental gymnastics; She should either think of herself as one of her people, and thus care about their suffering more then the average group, or not think of herself as one of them, and thus not overly care about their suffering. It's really rather hard to care about the suffering of people who make you suffer, but having both would be rather...Interesting. Point being: I'm not sure where she is pointing all the different parts of her blame, but it's probably going to end up looking like a kickass lazershow.
 
Marcus.D.Basterd said:
I don't actually think that she can hate them the way she is right now. I can see her wanting them to suffer, but actual hate? I don't think it work that way.
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She can still hate, just as she can still feel any other emotion. She just can't use that emotion to fuel an Orange Ring. She hates them, and she wants them to suffer as she has suffered.

You're thinking of how Paul thought when he was bonded with the Ophidian; that is, thinking of things in terms of only wants. This is not the case with a ring user.
 
Marcus.D.Basterd said:
I don't actually think that she can hate them the way she is right now. I can see her wanting them to suffer, but actual hate? I don't think it work that way.

More relevent to your point: I think that some of your reasons why she would hate them are sort of mutually exclusive without some interesting mental gymnastics; She should either think of herself as one of her people, and thus care about their suffering more then the average group, or not think of herself as one of them, and thus not overly care about their suffering. It's really rather hard to care about the suffering of people who make you suffer, but having both would be rather...Interesting. Point being: I'm not sure where she is pointing all the different parts of her blame, but it's probably going to end up looking like a kickass lazershow.
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FYI, you don't capitalize the word after a colon or semi-colon unless it's a name or a proper noun (or an acronym).
 
Avernus said:
He has only a very limited supply of Nth metal.
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Nothing stopping him picking it up afterwards. A heftier arrow or blade-shape would be better for that though, with an iron jacket so it can be em-accelerated easier - though he could probably build tracking or antigrav drone circuitry into it, inside an Nth-metal shell... at which point it'd pretty much be a knife missile or yaka arrow. Or mounting the drone apparatus around the hilt or back edge of the scimitar, for a dancing blade or flying guillotine (depending on the flamboyance of its control software).



But smart weapons are more Grayven's thing, the situation isn't really dire, and it would certainly take more time to arrange than he really has at the moment.
 
I've never really considered Nth Metal to be all that rare. After all, if you want to find it in the comics, just say the word "Thanagarian" and you'll be tripping over it in no time. And no one will ever try to use it except you and the Hawks.
 
BigBad said:
I've never really considered Nth Metal to be all that rare. After all, if you want to find it in the comics, just say the word "Thanagarian" and you'll be tripping over it in no time. And no one will ever try to use it except you and the Hawks.
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And when/if Paul gets a contact on Thanagar to sell him Nth Metal, the fact that Nth Metal is ever present on Thanagar will help him increase his supply.

Until then he's operating at the same level as the rest of the universe.
 
Dr. Bob Doom said:
She can still hate, just as she can still feel any other emotion. She just can't use that emotion to fuel an Orange Ring. She hates them, and she wants them to suffer as she has suffered.

You're thinking of how Paul thought when he was bonded with the Ophidian; that is, thinking of things in terms of only wants. This is not the case with a ring user.
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I don't mean actually unable to hate; I mean she can't let herself hate overly much. That said, what you said was a perfectly reasonable responce to what i said. That it wasn't a perfectly reasonable responce to what i meant was my falt.
SaltyWaffles said:
FYI, you don't capitalize the word after a colon or semi-colon unless it's a name or a proper noun (or an acronym).
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I thought that you were meant to treat them as though they were independant sentences, and cap the start of them the same way you cap the start of a sentence. Was i really that off the mark?
 
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Headhunting (part 25)
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    • 27th July
    06:16 GMT

    I lower my railgun slightly. "While I do appreciate you yielding promptly, I am a little surprised."

    The wizened Citadelian in front of me shrugs. "I've seen seventeen Emperors come and go. This one wasn't anything special."

    I look at the soldiers standing at ease on the other side of primary power's fortifications while their leader negotiates with me. "And.. your detail?"

    "One didn't get a clue." He sniffs. "He won't be a problem anymore."

    Ruthless, pragmatic… I've really got to see if I can keep this one alive.

    "If you've been through this before, I'm sure you know why I'm here."

    He nods. "You want to turn off the power to external weapons before the Emperor decides that he's bigger than the Citadel and shoots up the fleet."

    A natural assumption. An Admiral carrying out a putsch wouldn't want the fleet crippled. I do, but I was planning on using the more indiscriminate fixed defences rather than Citadel Complex's guns. "I wouldn't mind cutting off the whole command deck actually, but yes."

    He nods again. "Sure, we can do that. You want to come oversee things?"

    "Naturally."

    He turns around, making a small motion with his right hand as he does so. I presume one of the Citadelians behind the barricades presses something, because the force field protecting them deactivates. Then he starts walking towards the entry to the reactor chamber. "Bit of a surprise about the Tamaranians."

    "It looked like the whole attack was a surprise."

    "Nah. I felt the First's voice in my head-" He points at the visible part of his implants with his right hand. "-stop, same as everyone else. After that it was only a matter of time. Dakyn's smart. He'll be a decent Emperor." He glances back. "Unless you lose."

    "I didn't think that the First's existence was common knowledge."

    He snorts as the blast doors open and he leads the way towards the power control station. "I revered the First my whole life, but I always thought the whole 'voice of the First' thing was a metaphor. Sure, I got smarter the more implants I got, but that's what they were for, right? Then, boom. You killed him and that.. instinct was gone."

    "You seem remarkably calm about it."

    "If I'd got dumber, I'd probably be angrier. But as it is, someone who used to be able to control my actions and.. thoughts can't. No Citadelian would accept being controlled like that. Not if they knew what was happening. And as far as I can tell, I'm as smart as ever. Maybe a little more self-interested. Last couple of Emperors I at least made a token fight of it. But, that could just be age."

    "You knew that the First died?"

    "Heh. Yeah. He spent just enough time here after putting on that ring to tell everyone to watch him. So we did." He smiles at the thought. "I didn't even really believe that he was the First until he died." He starts up the steps to the reactor control platform. "I mean, we all look the same, don't we?"

    "So why are Tamaranians being here a surprise? Do challengers usually keep aliens out of it?"

    "They're not usually front and centre like this, but we've had aliens involved before. Usually mercenaries. But I haven't seen a Tamaranian warrior since we conquered them. I didn't think they'd side with one Citadelian over another."

    "I needed Lanterns, they wanted power rings."

    "And you've got some deal with Dakyn so everyone's happy." He doesn't look quite so sure about it. "Reason I ask is, after their attack here failed we made… A few modifications to Citadel Complex. Probably easiest just to show you."

    He pulls a lever, and a quiet humming I'd been hearing in the background falls in volume. Not quite silence, but the reduction is quite noticeable. "Power down. When we did a rebuild after the fight with Tamaran I had separate shutdown systems put in. Just so the next guy wouldn't smash the place up to spite the guy he was deposing. Or the other way around."

    "You worked here long?"

    He pulls another lever and a heavy metal shutter covering what I presume to be a window to the main reactor starts to slide away, golden light shining out. "I'm the oldest Citadelian I know of. I've spent half my life looking after the Citadel Complex. Couldn't tell you exactly how long that was." He turns a knob, then pushes a few more buttons. "Take a look."

    Odd, but alright. I float towards the window. The ring has records of most reactor setups that could power a space station like this, so it shouldn't-.

    The…

    Heck…

    A naked, grey haired man surrounded by flickering golden light hangs suspended in… Ring?

    Device not recognised. Based on comparison to known Psion technologies, analysis suggests that it may be a telekinesis suppressor.

    He's human, or at least close enough that I can't tell the difference. He's suspended in some sort of force field, dangling from where it grips his shoulders. Around him, there's a sort of frame, spherical in outline. The golden energy spiking off him doesn't pass beyond that limit but is drawn into it whenever it intersects. He looks starved, his skin slack and his ribs clearly visible. His eyes are.. slightly open, though he isn't looking in this direction. His face…

    "Adam Blake."

    "He was a powerful warrior. He covered the Tamaranian fleet's retreat when we defeated them. Unlucky for him the Psions had a few new tricks they wanted to try out." He pauses. "The old Emperor -the one before the one before Damyn- used to come down here and just.. watch him, sometimes. Damyn doesn't care."

    "His power… You're running all of Citadel Complex off him?"

    "Stops him from going anywhere. We've still got normal reactors, but this guy could rip battleships apart. Anyway, you see the problem. The Tamaranians find out that he's here-."

    "Are your conventional reactors still in working order?"

    "Yeah, but-."

    Bringing him back… Finding their grandparents' bodies was always going to be a long shot, but bringing Captain Comet back… "What would happen if he were released?"

    "Ahhh… Just.. shut everything down?"

    "Yes."

    "I don't know. He was trying to kill us pretty hard last time he was free, and I don't know what being stuck in there for so long has done for his mind. If it was me… Tear Citadel Complex apart in an insane rage, maybe?"

    Fair point. And that would make it far harder to destroy the fleet. "Bring the other reactors online and let me inside. When I give the order, slowly deactivate the device keeping him there."

    "You.. sure about that..?"

    I float over to the armoured door leading into the chamber where Mister Blake is imprisoned. "Yes."

    "Because I don't think-."

    "Brand."
     
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    • So best guess people: if Paul's gonna keep doing things the ruthless pragmatic way, will Branding Blake once he's free prevent a rampage? Short term opportunity to keep him docile while Paul examines what's happened to his mind before returning him to Tamaran. Let's hope Blake, assuming he gets out of here, doesn't notice any Tamaranean-manned spacecraft that were commandeered from their oppressors. We don't want this hero to damage his adopted homeworld.
     
    So, is it fair to say that Captain Comet is the most powerful enhanced human? Like, there are more powerful sorcerers, but most people can learn magic even if it's hard or time consuming. There are Power Ring users, but they're using someone else's technology, and so on.

    In a personal, 'I have the power' sense, is Captain Comet the pentacle we've seen so far? Because he must be outputting a f***ton of energy to run the entire complex, and he's been doing it for forty years at this point.
     
    Can Paul use his ring and rebuild Adam Blake physically? His mind, maybe being aware on some level of being drained continuously, that's some Golden Throne level fuckery right there. Not sure about that. Rehab on Tamaran?

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    So best guess people: if Paul's gonna keep doing things the ruthless pragmatic way, will Branding Blake once he's free prevent a rampage? Short term opportunity to keep him docile while Paul examines what's happened to his mind before returning him to Tamaran.
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    Paul didn't Brand Blake. He Branded the Citadelian at the end because he was questioning Paul's order to free Blake. It was a Brand done in anger. See the red colored letters. Paul has no reason to be angry at Blake. Besides, Paul Brands, but he's not frivolous with it. Talking Blake into cooperation and returning to friendly territory is achievable if Paul took off his helmet to make sure Blake sees a friendly face when he comes back to reality.
     
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    Massgamer said:
    Forgive me is dumb question but was a deal stricken with Dakyn and will he become emperor later or no?
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    The entire reason they were able to attack this place so directly was because they're lying and claiming to be working for Dakyn. If they just busted in and started killing people they'd have been up against much, much more resistance and reinforcements.
     
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