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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Krain said:
...So yeah I'm thinking the whole "have Blackfire work with you" isn't gonna work out so well.
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I dunno, the SI doesn't seem to really mind Koma's actions and if ever there were acceptable targets it'd be the Citadel. It might be an issue if she continues acting as bloodthirsty as this against less cacklingly evil targets, but if that's the case then she could just be assigned to the war against the Reach.

The bigger problem is probably Kori, to be honest. Orange rings are almost tailor-made to be super evil; if she can't get over her distaste of the mere notion of using the nastier options then she's not going to be a terribly good Lantern.
 
It's not like Blackfire did anything wrong. She assimilated someone who was going to die. They're going to die anyways since it sounds like Paul is going to use a certain sword to destroy the construct anyways.

At least this way they got useful information out of one of the enemy elites.
 
zhuull said:
Yes she is having some issues with the orange light, no shit that's kind of the while point of this mission ie to make them aware of those types of issues and hopefully work out ways to address them.
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I don't think the central problem here is the risk of Orange Light corruption. The biggest risk I see is that Komand'r will sit down, analyse and prioritise her wants and desires, then decide that painful revenge on those who have wronged her is more important than being seen as a moral being or protecting Tamaran and those dear to her. So, not South Park (Orange Light is bad M'kay) but Star Wars (... forever will it dominate your destiny).
 
ptbptb said:
I don't think the central problem here is the risk of Orange Light corruption. The biggest risk I see is that Komand'r will sit down, analyse and prioritise her wants and desires, then decide that painful revenge on those who have wronged her is more important than being seen as a moral being or protecting Tamaran and those dear to her. So, not South Park (Orange Light is bad M'kay) but Star Wars (... forever will it dominate your destiny).
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The sad thing is Star Wars was not any more morally or philosophically nuanced than South Park. Lucas was a fucking child in his conception of right/wrong light/dark.
Still I suppose at least he wasn't directly responsible for that travesty of a book in the EU with the planet full of Force using Amazon Rancor Calvary that could freely use the darkside because...reasons. While everyone else in the book who even had momentary bad thoughts immediately started developing "darkside wrinkles" and turning ugly.

I was also going to say at least he didn't fall into the childish evil=ugly that the book did as well, but then I remembered the prequels...goddamn it.:sad:

And yes Amazon Force-Witch Rancor Calvary could have been hilarious and awesome, but they tried to play it as "serious business."
 
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Maxx Crowley said:
Honestly? I don't think either sister is really right for the OLC.
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Starfire, the classic version, would be a near ideal Star Sapphire, provided she achieved enlightenment like Paul. Blackfire is like MCU Loki, she subsumes her bitterness and envy into rage, so she'd probably be best as a Red Lantern. The characters in this story are not actually Starfire or Blackfire (yet), but unless Zoat is writing OC's with canon names, they're going to share a great deal of characterization. That said, he's been throwing out subtle red flags for almost this entire arc, so I naturally do not believe that they actually foreshadow Komand'r's betrayal. Too pat, and everyone's expecting it anyway. Though I'd not blink if she abandoned the OLC for another Lantern Corps if they offered her more power and revenge. Probably best if she never meets Sinestro.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Honestly? I don't think either sister is really right for the OLC.
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True, but the SI is using them for political reasons more than because they'd make good Lanterns. I'd be surprised if they retained their rings much past this event. And if nothing else, it gives him some experience in commanding other Lanterns, particularly those whose desires don't always coincide with his or each other's.

Unrelatedly, I'm surprised the SI hasn't decided to handle the elites with hyper-accelerated Nth-metal needles, instead of hitting them with a slower melee weapon.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
27th July
06:09 GMT

Then I remembered what you said; that assimilation was the most horrifying thing one being could do to another." She pats her new acquisition on his right cheek. "That simplified matters somewhat."
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Pretty sure that isn't what he meant when he asked for a prisoner.

Will be interesting to see what opinion Paul has when we get round to the debriefing.

"It isn't working." She frowns. "I'm wanting him into the ring but it isn't happening. What's wrong?"
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Inherent disgust. Much as Paul's hatred of fiat currency could not be overcome by his desire to utilise legal currency, Blackfire's utter detest of Citadelians cannot be overcome by her desire to know what this one knows.

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Every chapter she does something to indicate she is going to go off the rails. Thus every chapter someone comments that she looks like she is going to go off the rails. Her future/canon characterisation doesn't enter into it.

ForeverShogo said:
It's not like Blackfire did anything wrong. She assimilated someone who was going to die. They're going to die anyways since it sounds like Paul is going to use a certain sword to destroy the construct anyways.

At least this way they got useful information out of one of the enemy elites.
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It is more the fact that she assimilated him by rationalising that it was the worst possible fate she could ever inflict upon anyone.
Sadism is not a positive trait.
 
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It occurs to me that if abuse of the assimilation ability by rookies is a concern, couldn't Paul/Himon/whoever will be making the rings just create rings that either lacked the programming to do it or blocked it much like the Guardians did with their rings and the ability to kill?
 
*shakes his head* she's a ticking timebomb.
murderous tendencies/increasing emotional instability aside, ive got a feeling she's a diplomatic incident waiting to happen.
atm they're still in Vega, but....
 
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The best candiadares for Orange rings that have the potential to be as revolutionary wielders as Paul need to be a bit like All Might (my hero academy) with his personal contacts, like Batman (outside of Young Justice) when assembling specialized Hero teams, or like Dr. House. I remember that Paul desires some variety in how his corpsmen will use their rings (such as someone like Guy that can channel powerful emotions efficiently), but just like in all of the above examples, including Paul, they would be an important player without their powers. If House had his sight crippled then staff members would still consult him for his legacy and experience in spite of the hindrance and his personality.

So what canon DC characters hold such potential? Animated Teen Titans' Robin would have worked well. Too bad Bruce Banner's a Marvel character: he's shown to be competent and moral without the Hulk influence without being overzealous like Captain America. Doctor Occult or Rose Psychic? I'm stumped when it comes to aliens though.
 
This is pretty predictable behavior. She has been handed a powerful tool and is using it to get back at the people who literally raped and violated her, and figuratively raped her people.

Her violent streak isn't going away on this subject. What will be telling about her future with the Orange Lantern Corps is what she does after the object of her hatred is gone.
 
Dr. Bob Doom said:
This is pretty predictable behavior. She has been handed a powerful tool and is using it to get back at the people who literally raped and violated her, and figuratively raped her people.

Her violent streak isn't going away on this subject. What will be telling about her future with the Orange Lantern Corps is what she does after the object of her hatred is gone.
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It makes even more sense as a reaction when you realise that they are all clones that can only be made into something different by destroying what they already are and making something else from the ashes; Saying that they are different people to the ones who did the thing to her doesn't exactly hold up very well, so reacting as though they are all the ones who did the thing is actually semi-sane. Still worth putting her through as much therapy as can be managed, but most of that would have been needed for a Orange Light user anyway.
 
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