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Lanterns that.. don't use.. lanterns..?

What?
I know right?
They never outright say that they don't need to recharge, but literal lanterns are non-existent, and when the central power battery goes down for the count all of the rings lose power immediately(rip every Lantern in space).

Then again, when the yellow power battery is crushed between two moons(?!) Sinestro's ring still has charge, so maybe the green rings shut down because the green power battery was corrupted.

(also shouldn't Ion and Parallax have popped out of the battery once Sinestro broke it?)
 
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"If it is inevitable, how did you manage?"

"I didn't-."

"Very weak desires, possibly aided by his lack of an attendant arcane construct. There was so little opportunity for the egress of orange energy than he had nearly enough time to learn to channel it without being overwhelmed." She brings up another chart. Me, presumably. "Then he had a construct created in such a way that it would encourage proper interfacing. Unfortunately, for those future Lanterns not fortunate enough to spend a great deal of time in high magic regions, it won't be practical to use it on others."

And also because you'd need to destroy their existing souls in order to do so.

"His current slaves?"

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Once we disrupt him, he should become listless and apathetic. He won't be able to direct them."
You should specify that the Controller is referring to Larfleeze's slaves, not the SI's.
 
20th July
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We're off to see the Beast.
Yay. Glad that HHH can keep on track and counter OL's pension for procrastinating.

Sorry, but I think they blacklisted orange rings.
That is just inarguably moronic.

Maybe I'd feel differently if they weren't jamming my empathic vision…
Somewhat hypocritical for a man with scry wards caved into his soul.

Wow, the Controllers seem to be remarkably reasonable compared to their Guardian counterparts.
When the Controllers have been active on the galactic stage for a billion years and only have a handful of screwy decisions to their name then they will equal the Guardians' track record for being sensible.
 
Somewhat hypocritical for a man with scry wards caved into his soul.
Only somewhat. Paul can't turn the scry wards off, and I don't know if they block empathic vision.
When the Controllers have been active on the galactic stage for a billion years and only have a handful of screwy decisions to their name then they will equal the Guardians' track record for being sensible.
Natch. The Controllers have been active on the galactic stage for a billion years, and we haven't heard of any screwy decisions of theirs.
 
Natch. The Controllers have been active on the galactic stage for a billion years, and we haven't heard of any screwy decisions of theirs.

I'm pretty sure letting an Orange ring loose into the multiverse was a terrible decision. I admit it was a prototype that was being used in a superhero setting so problems were sort of inevitable, but we've seen that this resulted in the conversion of one Green Lantern power core and one working Green ring. Imagine how Paul would be seen by the local factions if he did either of those now. Those feats seem pretty much unrivaled.
 
Natch. The Controllers have been active on the galactic stage for a billion years, and we haven't heard of any screwy decisions of theirs.
Citation needed.
Just because they have existed for that long does not mean they have been active. As far as I can tell their activities to date amount to founding the Dark Stars (who have failed their purpose of stopping the Reach), gene engineering a species (which was more being hired than actually taking initiative) and building planets to house refugees (which is treating the symptoms rather than the disease). Oh and a single member spending three billion years in a coma to recruit a single Lantern.

While they arguably don't have any screwups, their list of accomplishments is infinitesimal compared to what the Guardians have achieved.
 
Y'know, it occurs to me that I've taken a lot on simple faith about the power rings as presented in this fanfic. This isn't a criticism, by any means, but a lot of the "man, why don't these green lanterns do X that Paul does?" questions seem to suggest that the rings can do things that Mr. Zoat says they can without much evidence from Young Justice, or, indeed, any other animated/live action source of which I know. I mean, the GL animated series doesn't show them sub-spacing things, hacking things, or using a massive database with highly impressive mental-interfaced AI access, and it's ABOUT them. They even fly in human (well, native) form when they go FTL with their rings; the "FTL transfer" as a ribbon-thin line of light doesn't seem to be a thing. Arguably, using that "warp" function rather than "FTL transfer," which Paul uses like a combat teleport.

While it's fun to see Paul using all those under-used powers, where do we get canon that they CAN do all those things? Would OL be so critical if he were only able to do things shown to be possible in YJ or at least the DCAU by green lanterns, rather than assuming powers that are not in evidence? Or is there evidence and I'm just not remembering it or missed it somewhere?

(Again, NOT a complaint; I quite enjoy the story and his creative use of these powers. But there just are, upon reflection, a lot of powers in his repertoire that I don't recall ever seeing power rings HAVING in the media I've watched.)

That is just inarguably moronic.
It's amazing how much stupidity you can encourage by being so annoying that they feel it justified. Send enough spam on the emergency channel...
Somewhat hypocritical for a man with scry wards caved into his soul.
He didn't say he thought they were wrong. Only that he didn't feel the need to show them awe-inspired self-abasement. I doubt he expects them to show him awe-inspired deference, either.
When the Controllers have been active on the galactic stage for a billion years and only have a handful of screwy decisions to their name then they will equal the Guardians' track record for being sensible.
The trouble for the Guardians is that their handful of dumb ideas tends to be the MAJORITY of what we see on-screen or on-page. So to the audience, they seem the majority of their decisions. It wouldn't hurt to have a LOT of issues and scenes where they're shown being reasonable and right, to make the bad ideas really seem rare.
 
While it's fun to see Paul using all those under-used powers, where do we get canon that they CAN do all those things?

Pretty much everything Paul does or has done is either something a Green Lantern did once and then never mentioned again, or a natural extrapolation of something done in the comics.

Comics are horrible at consistency. Part of this is because of all the different authors, and part is because of the huge backlog of stories, powers, and such combined with the deus ex machina style of last minute powerup or improvisation to solve the problem or beat the bad guy which is then never mentioned again.

The only difference is that Paul read most of those, knows the powers, and isn't constrained by a schizophrenic universe to always do the 'iconic' (read dumb) things that are done in the comics outside of a super perilous situation that needs improvising. He also plans ahead and experiments to find the limits of the rung, something no Lantern in the comic ever does because that's not the genre.

It's like how in season 2 of TNG they solved mortality with the transporter and then never mentioned it again in any series.
 
By the by...question for all you across the ponders. Is it England or Britain? What's the difference? Seriously, this has bugged me since childhood and no one has ever explained.
So I know that others have already explained this, but I feel that there is a much simplier way of explaining it. This wonderful graphic I found that I've been waiting for a chance to link:

I'd also like to note my bemusement that I've been in this thread like a dozen times at this point and that not once has it ever been because I'm actually interested in reading it, and instead it's because I'm trying to get context as an advocate.
 
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I kind of want to see Paul visit the various incarnations of Green Lantern media or DC in general just to see their reactions to all the things he's capable of. Especially once he gets into the habit of dropping references no one gets but explains everything, or something involving the entire Team and they start asking questions as to why their counterparts didn't try doing the same or thought of it in the first place.

Imagine if the YJ characters meeting their Justice League/Unlimited counterparts.

Other than that I'm excited to see how the fight with Larfleeze goes down, since their aim is to keep him alive, how will they severe his connection to the orange light.
 
We're off to see the Beast, the Horrible Beast of Okarra!
Because, because, because! ...Because of the terrible things he does!
I'm pretty sure letting an Orange ring loose into the multiverse was a terrible decision. I admit it was a prototype that was being used in a superhero setting so problems were sort of inevitable, but we've seen that this resulted in the conversion of one Green Lantern power core and one working Green ring. Imagine how Paul would be seen by the local factions if he did either of those now. Those feats seem pretty much unrivaled.

What are you talking about? The one who got the proto-ring was Larfleeze not Paul.
 
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Natch. The Controllers have been active on the galactic stage for a billion years, and we haven't heard of any screwy decisions of theirs.

A large part of that is because Paul's grand total of OC knowledge concerning the Controllers is basically "Maltusians who employ the darkstars," after all part of Paul going to the Controllers is because he doesn't know that in the comics they are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.

He apparently doesn't know that the director of the Darkstars, the Controllers' hand picked guy, might be a megalomaniac who wants to rule the universe.

He apparently doesn't know that the Controllers might have lost the "Mephistopheles Matrix" on Earth, an artifact that could destroy the world but "Eh, it probably won't kill you all."

He doesn't know that by creating the sun-eaters, the Controllers could be responsible for unleashing a planet destroying supervillain and his personal cult of space vampires as well as any star systems the sun-eaters destroy out of the Controllers' supervision.
 
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That is just inarguably moronic.

Not really, orange light is famous for driving people batshit insane while giving said people driven insane the abilitiy to cause the orange light equivelent of a zombie apocalypse. Considering the orange dawn thing it's apperantly a justified fear. Not to mention that they already have access to the most stable of the emotional spectrum lights that happens to come with the least mental issues. Sure Paul is fine but he is a very special case what with not having a soul when he got here and his artificially made one being attuned to orange light.

Citation needed.
Just because they have existed for that long does not mean they have been active. As far as I can tell their activities to date amount to founding the Dark Stars (who have failed their purpose of stopping the Reach), gene engineering a species (which was more being hired than actually taking initiative) and building planets to house refugees (which is treating the symptoms rather than the disease). Oh and a single member spending three billion years in a coma to recruit a single Lantern.

While they arguably don't have any screwups, their list of accomplishments is infinitesimal compared to what the Guardians have achieved.

First off it should be pointed out that the Reach is so powerful and massive that even the GLC refuses to fight them since it would lead to a pyrrhic victory which would likely leave them extremely vulnerable to other force and take decades or even hundreds of years for the war to last. The fact that the Dark Stars are doing as well without power ring tech is actually pretty damn impressive and since they haven't died out they haven't really failed so much as them still fighting the war. Second the symptoms are the Reach and they are in fact trying to take them out. The fact that they give the refugees their own planets is actually a pretty big thing and shouldn't be taken lightly.
 
Various Controllers look around the room, and there's a shining of gems.

Then a short, Guardian-looking one nods. "We have a consensus."
Are the Controllers telepathic? Or are they using their gems as a medium for mental communications?

I ask because Megan said few Martians leave Mars because they can't stand being deprived of telepathic contact with their brethren. If the Controllers are telepathic or use gems as a medium for mental communication, non-conformist Martians might be tempted to visit Maltus and maybe even get hired to help treat Orange light damage.
"Very weak desires, possibly aided by his lack of an attendant arcane construct."
One of OL's plans was to uplift planets that the Reach plan to conquer decades from now.

Assuming all goes well, is OL willing to share arcanotech derived from the scientific study of magic? In the Renegade timeline, Mordru said he wished to nurture mystically-gifted planets while leaving the more tech-oriented worlds to either the Light or Grayven.

Semi-OT: I've been watching "American Gods", and it could be amusing if OL introduce mystically-gifted aliens to the practices of Hephaestus' clergy so they can build enchanted weapons and arcanotechnology. Bonus points if Eris gets jealous of Hephaestus getting new worshipers.

Eris: :ninja: "I'm not jealous, I'm envious. Duh!"
"I'll go and bother him [Ganthet] in person later.
In canon, Ganthet and Sayd would found the Blue Lanterns of Hope.

Does OL have any plans for inter-corps cooperation? As a contingency failsafe, if OL's Orange Lantern Corps goes completely off the rails, the Blue Lantern Corps could play an important role in mitigating the damage and prevent them from doing too much harm to the universe.
 
Does OL have any plans for inter-corps cooperation? As a contingency failsafe, if OL's Orange Lantern Corps goes completely off the rails, the Blue Lantern Corps could play an important role in mitigating the damage and prevent them from doing too much harm to the universe.
It would definitely be a good idea. Actually, just going full on Power Rangers with teams of one of each color has some pretty nice benefits. Like, you're unlikely to have the entire team go nuts at once, and you're gonna have people plugging the weaknesses of various lights.
 
Not really, orange light is famous for driving people batshit insane while giving said people driven insane the abilitiy to cause the orange light equivelent of a zombie apocalypse. Considering the orange dawn thing it's apperantly a justified fear. Not to mention that they already have access to the most stable of the emotional spectrum lights that happens to come with the least mental issues. Sure Paul is fine but he is a very special case what with not having a soul when he got here and his artificially made one being attuned to orange light.
Yes; for all his criticisms of the Guardians, them picking the Green Light isn't something he bashes them for. "They didn't pick the Green Light just to make things difficult for you", to paraphrase from memory something he said to one of the Green Lanterns; all the Lights have their advantages, and "won't go crazy" is a pretty good one, actually.
 
all the Lights have their advantages, and "won't go crazy" is a pretty good one, actually.
Depending on what continuity you prefer, the Guardian's flavor of madness is far more subtle.

In some timelines, the Guardians gradually go from "not letting emotion cloud us" to "purge all emotions".

Either OL or Grayven said "you can't cut off a piece of your emotions and not go a little crazy."
 
While it's fun to see Paul using all those under-used powers, where do we get canon that they CAN do all those things? Would OL be so critical if he were only able to do things shown to be possible in YJ or at least the DCAU by green lanterns, rather than assuming powers that are not in evidence? Or is there evidence and I'm just not remembering it or missed it somewhere?
The subspace thing comes from Earth 12. John Stewart kept his Lantern in a subspace pocket in his apartment, and the other Lanterns looking for it describe that as common practice. Similarly, in the episode of Static Shock he featured in he calls his Lantern out of subspace at his location, which is what makes Sinestro's theft of it possible.
FTL is something Lanterns can do, and I couldn't think of a reason not to have them use it over short distances.
 
FTL is something Lanterns can do, and I couldn't think of a reason not to have them use it over short distances.

That doesn't seem very difficult to justify, for me personally. There could be a reason they can't FTL in atmosphere. Or there could be a minimum transit distance, and a delay before returning that's required in order to not damage space in some way. Or, as I've mentioned before, in Young Justice canon, Lantern Stewart formed a complex construct-spaceship in order to transport himself and the Justice League. That could actually be required for FTL. Or you could say that activating FTL near high-gravity objects has a chance of going wrong, which would give you another anti-Lantern (gravity weapons) tool for your writer's toybox.

The fic is great as-is, and SI's teleport spam makes action scenes more interesting than two flying people punching or shooting at each other. And it's okay to have powerful protagonists. But I find it difficult to believe that you couldn't think of ways to nerf all the assorted powers of the Lanterns yourself.

Please correct me if I'm making a presumptuous ass of myself, and I apologize in advance if I am. But I suspect you didn't nerf Lanterns because you didn't want to. Whyever you did that, I'm fine with it. You know what you want to write, and I can for the most part assume that your decisions resulted in a better story.
 
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