Burning bridges, shore to shore.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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If you're going to burn the bridge, you may as well burn it thoroughly.
Revealing Nabu's crimes... and how easily Nabu could have avoided them... is revenge. Yes, it is revenge.
But revenge, within limits, serves a purpose. There is a minor, low purpose here - indulging his rage against Nabu.
But by stating what he is doing... what reasons brought this punishment... the Lords of Order and Nabu will be forced to face different circumstances. Namely, they cannot harm humanity for their own convenience, expecting their power to protect them. They will be confronted by the promise that if they try this shit again, they will be struck down for it again.
Revenge is... a weapon. Like all weapons it's use is dangerous. But it is not always bad. The promise of revenge provides protection against certain sorts of potential harm, because it removes the profit from them for an enemy.
If Nabu cannot get what he wants by hurting people instead of working... he might try working for it with apprentices, as the depictions in his tomb showed him doing.
But revenge, within limits, serves a purpose. There is a minor, low purpose here - indulging his rage against Nabu.
But by stating what he is doing... what reasons brought this punishment... the Lords of Order and Nabu will be forced to face different circumstances. Namely, they cannot harm humanity for their own convenience, expecting their power to protect them. They will be confronted by the promise that if they try this shit again, they will be struck down for it again.
Revenge is... a weapon. Like all weapons it's use is dangerous. But it is not always bad. The promise of revenge provides protection against certain sorts of potential harm, because it removes the profit from them for an enemy.
If Nabu cannot get what he wants by hurting people instead of working... he might try working for it with apprentices, as the depictions in his tomb showed him doing.
Should probably test it on a god he doesn't like as much. I'm sure John can find one that isn't going to be missed.
Syn0
QoP of Pain
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I have a really bad feeling about this. I can already see Nabu escaping, or the League interfering mid-battle, or worse: Giovanni dying. Then everything OL has been trying to accomplish is more or less in ashes. And then he leaves Earth guilt stricken.
I need to look for some fluffy kitten pictures...
I need to look for some fluffy kitten pictures...
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Oof. Suddenly Worm.
What a gutpunch. I didn't even realize the similarities until you pointed it out.
I doubt (and hope we don't) get a two-year timeskip after this one, though.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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The New Gods constantly leave thier own high magic environments safely. But I'll tell you what happens. She discovers that nightmares can be a force of inspiration to build something wonderful, or to steer away from as warnings, and falls in love.
Arguable. From an emotional standpoint what he is planning might be satisfying. But the cost/benefit… really doesn't add up.
Problem being that bumping Nabu from the League does nothing to rectify or mitigate the imprisonment of Zatara. It may also cause Dr Fate to stop acting in a heroic capacity.
Additionally if Paul's plan fails then the likelihood of the League, who have been shown as passive and or ineffective throughout Paul's time on Earth 16, managing a recues is slim to none.
Making things public has no direct benefit, slim chance of indirect benefit and a near guaranteed cost.
Issue here is that discrediting the League hurts far more people than just the League members.
Guilt tipping them in privet would have almost the same personal effect without impeding their ability to save lives.
Shame he never told them that. You don't get to complain about people not solving a problem you never informed them was a problem.
The last half of that sentence is the solution for the first half of that sentence.
If some mad scientist tries to hold out for more money, his competitors are going to not hold out for more money, and they will get funded instead.
Lithos Alto
Herald of Red Herrings
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Does cake count as supper? Hm. If it does, and it's truly the last one, the SI just needs skip suppertime for three days.
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Jamie Roberts
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I know, right? I'm so proud of Paul! He's finally thinking like a proper supervillain! Its great!
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If Nabu stops acting in a heroic capacity because of some public outcry over his actions then he wasn't actually a hero in the first place. And if you're implying this would turn him into a supervillain, well... 'The world realized I was an evil body-stealing lich, so I acted like an evil body-stealing lich' is not the best defence.
The message to the news isn't intended to get the JL to help the SI survive against Nabu; if it gets to that point, its already too late.
Failing to warn others about such a severe issue with the League's operations - failing to put external pressure on the League to live up to their ideals when the SI has been eliminated and thus can no longer do so himself - would hurt far more people than keeping silent would.
Except he already tried pointing out the illogical and out-and-out criminal nature of their actions and nothing happened - therefore he needs to escalate. And while it's possible for the JL to be negatively effected in the short run, in the long run ensuring that such actions cannot be performed again will make the JL much stronger.
In point of fact he did tell them it was a problem, part of said problem being that it should have been very obvious to them that it was a problem if they were in fact heroes or at least comrades.
You don't get to complain about people doing your job when you fail to do your job, especially when they already told you about it.
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By proving their invention works? I mean is not that different to investing money in something the bueiness might work or not. If it works good, if it doesn't bad luck.
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If memory serves here, in this story-
New Gods are creatures of flesh and blood infused with magical energy.
Gods are blobs of magical energy that fashion bodies with their divine power for the convenience of having thumbs.
It's quite possible that globs of magic energy have local magic requirements that creatures of flesh and blood would not.
If he wanted to experiment, probably better to start with the like of Qrttglbrngrltch, the god of the nigh-unpronounceable inadvertent Armageddon.
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
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You know, members of the Justice League aren't completely oblivious, so I'm sure that dear ol' embodiment of justified paranoia, Batman, might have his own suspicions regarding what Paul and Zatanna have been up to for a while, hanging out with John Constantine.
And you KNOW that Batman keeps tabs on where everyone is!
The moment Bruce finds out about how a now MORTAL Klarion is being held in, or has already been executed in China, all the little pieces are going to connect!
So, I guess I'm somewhat concerned that League will likely show up at the worst possible moment to try to stop Paul and friends from killing Nabu...
And you KNOW that Batman keeps tabs on where everyone is!
The moment Bruce finds out about how a now MORTAL Klarion is being held in, or has already been executed in China, all the little pieces are going to connect!
So, I guess I'm somewhat concerned that League will likely show up at the worst possible moment to try to stop Paul and friends from killing Nabu...
Really has a way of.... worming its way into your heart.
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Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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No one's commented on this, but the fact that they voted to include the SI into the League means they likely voted in some other people as well.
Do we know that tomorrow's update is the last of this episode? It looks like it, but I'm unsure.
Rather unfortunate that she got the ability to detect if someone is saying something untrue as compared to detecting the intent to deceive.
He's trying to make the world into something that better reflects his ideals. Skipping in a line is a good idea from a cost benefit analysis (bad social standing with people you will likely never meet again/save some time) but we don't do it regardless, because of our ideals.
Silveraith
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Mr Zoat usually posts placeholders ahead of an update to indicate the episode still has parts coming, something he hasn't done in awhile for this episode. The placeholders in the next chapter have been growing. This combined with the fact that the current episode is over 30 pieces long when the last 6 or so have been under 30 leads me to believe this episode is coming to a close.
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Apologies for being pretty bad at character voice, but...
Fate: "...wait, all you wanted to do was free Zatara? I thought you were a budding supervillain what with the barely restrained hatred towards me, channeling a giant snake being, worshipping Eris... I mean, I was making my plans towards that direction, but I'm a bit rubbish at enchanting things (hence why I haven't warded the Watchtower, bit embarassing) so without the advances in Atlantis and my busy schedule it was going to take me... about six years.. to make a golem body."
OL: "..."
Fate: "...I told the JLU to tell Zatarra. Wait, they haven't told her yet?"
WW: "We were saving it for a surprise party."
OL: "..."
Fate: "Well, at least this is resolved. I was worried you were going to do something stupid, like this was all a plot to make John Constantine a Lord of Chaos."
OL: *sweatdrop*
OL: "..."
Fate: "...I told the JLU to tell Zatarra. Wait, they haven't told her yet?"
WW: "We were saving it for a surprise party."
OL: "..."
Fate: "Well, at least this is resolved. I was worried you were going to do something stupid, like this was all a plot to make John Constantine a Lord of Chaos."
OL: *sweatdrop*
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No, that's not suspicious at all, nope, not a bit.
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It would be funny if the first thing the SI accuses Nabu of is that he is breaking labour laws by not giving Zatara mandatory breaks and free time (...and all that overtime pay) and Nabu thinks about for a minute and actually agrees.
Diana is a living lie detector. Not unbeatable with half-truths (as this chapter shows) but outright statements like this she can judge pretty reliably:
The SI ordered it not to translate animals pretty early (around the time Mr. Twister happened, I think).
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
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Actually, watching that link...
Yeah, Zatarra could still totally want out, but believe that, if he has to be fate, that fate should stay with the league.
And saying his trust is measured could totally mean "It is measured at 0.0001"
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What did we say about references I don't understand?
Yes.
That alternate version would be going off all of the time.
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