With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Generic_Generica
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Welp.
Three days until doomsday. Well not doomsday but, well.
The anticipation is killing me.
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all 3 of these statements are true. He worked with him, he will never like him, and after he ambushes and murders him there will not be any further problems with him.
also, kind of weird that diana didn't bring up the body snatching thing. Like, seriously, the hell. She has to know that's why paul dislikes him, she's not super cool with it either.
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redzonejoe
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Ganurath
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Two for us!
This is the first time she or any other JL member has brought it up and it's to tell him to come to peace with him? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? Do they have no problems with him? I'm honestly wondering if there's mind control or something involved! (And well, I see why she feels betrayed later if this is her Point of View... but why is it her point of view?)
EDIT: Do they have information we don't? Did they find something out and not tell Zatanna? I am legit just giving up here. I can't reconcile this.
EDIT 2: Alternately, did it just never occur to them the bodysnatching was a problem? Zoat, I really hope you have a good explanation for this.
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Dammit. This really hit me. Diana holds Paul in extremely high regard, firmly believing that he will not fail in what he tries to do, and the entire fucking League thinks he is worthy of joining them. Everything that he has done, the connections that he's fought for, the ideals he perpetuated, the competence and bravery he's always maintained has led up to this.
I will be crushed if all of it actually turns to ash after Judgement Day.
If they turn to ash because of his freeing someone from possession, I'm not sure I'd want them as friends then tbh :/
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Thank you, corrected.
The icing representation, yes. He was mildly embarrassed about the Happy Birthday.
Empiricist2
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Hey, that's not true! Guardian space also extends to the 2 Magellanic Clouds! He'll have 3 galaxies worth to choose from.
Does she suspect that he is older than he says he is?
Aww. That's actually rather sad.
There's a picture of him on the cake.
Massgamer
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Man, this update hits the feels in all kinds of ways and not in the traditional sense.
It's more like having the perspective of a traitor before he turns on those that consider him a close ally/friend. Not as extreme in this case but pretty close since OL is being given so much trust by so many others that once his plan falls through it will certainly cause some bridges to be burnt.
Sorta like how League members felt when they found out Batman had plans to take down all of them should they go evil or something.
Also that remark about Wolf being unable to find Teekl is just another hit in the gut.
Even if most members of the League are happy with the result the methods can still be seen in a poor view.
It's more like having the perspective of a traitor before he turns on those that consider him a close ally/friend. Not as extreme in this case but pretty close since OL is being given so much trust by so many others that once his plan falls through it will certainly cause some bridges to be burnt.
Sorta like how League members felt when they found out Batman had plans to take down all of them should they go evil or something.
Also that remark about Wolf being unable to find Teekl is just another hit in the gut.
Think it's more a matter of trust and the feeling of OL being manipulative behind the scenes that will cause some tension.
Even if most members of the League are happy with the result the methods can still be seen in a poor view.
The pain of this betrayal shall sate my hunger for years.
Oh, wait not betrayal... belated rescue operation.
Orange Lantern, tangled in his web of lies.
Orange Lantern, tangled in his web of lies.
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"seen"
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Kerrus
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I think that a big thing with the league's view on Fate is that they're assuming he's a better person than he is. They probably assume- or Fate lied about it- that Fate and Zatarra came to some kind of arrangement. Or they're just thinking about them as different people- sort of a 'Zatarra died and now Fate is here, it's sad but we moved on'
They don't have the existential horror mindset that makes what's actually happened something that *matters* to them, and they shrug off any questions about that with 'well Zatarra made the choice willingly, we have to respect his decision'
I think that Nick Fury has the most appropriate counterpoint to that view, and I imagine Paul is probably in a similar position.
They don't have the existential horror mindset that makes what's actually happened something that *matters* to them, and they shrug off any questions about that with 'well Zatarra made the choice willingly, we have to respect his decision'
I think that Nick Fury has the most appropriate counterpoint to that view, and I imagine Paul is probably in a similar position.
Ganurath
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She didn't stop being a lie detector way back when he said he was seventeen.
Mizu
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Brut is engaged in a staring
made it clear
it touches
Cut ties.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Arafell
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Pfft. If they complain about that, they're gigantic hypocrites.
He wouldn't have to be secretive if they had just told him what their plan was. This is just reciprocity, really.
Silveraith
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The original lie of being 17 was tangled in with truths and half-truths. She doesn't think he's in his thirties, merely that he may be 16-21ish.
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Massgamer
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Like said not all will feel this way (Batman will likely completely understand right off the bat since it's totally something he would do) but everyone has different beliefs and thoughts processes on how to handle things in general so they will naturally be some tension at the very least.
Diana will likely be happy at the result but at the same time be slightly betrayed that someone she considers a ward did not believe he could trust her on this even if logically he couldn't. Same thing with Guy since he see's OL as a good friend.
Sorta like the situation with Aquaman's other son how OL views a certain thing might not be viewed the same way.
All we can hope for is that in the long term mostly everyone understands the reasoning is in the end happy with the result so OL being away from earth will allow heads to mostly cool.
GullibleCynic
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I agree, but why would he be on the need to know list? Zatanna should have been told if there was a plan though.
Best explanation is that I can think of is that Fate really wasn't lying when he said Zatara wanted him in the League and Diana picked up on the truth of that statement. With Fate being useful and a constant barrage of other problem it just sort of slipped away from them.
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